for the 1st time someone actually explains our side of the argument, in a non bias way:

Thank you Pyrex

lol, their AV wasn't even advanced. do you think everyone has proto AV hello no, everyone is too lazy to do that.

1 tank per team... haha no, if you want infantry only game, go play call of duty and leave us be

lol closed minded ignorant fool...

I pity the world for allowing ignorance to thrive.. ==> Yup, you shouldt totally kill yourself.

he could get away because apparently he has intelligence in tanking and knows his own weaknesses ==> Yup you should learn from him instead of whining on the forums on daily basis.

on your "AV gets ****** up by infantry" argument, get your damn blues to defend you, that's what you tell us when we go against infantry, take your own advice. ==> Even with a tank, if one guy can solo in a tank and do good,so should an infantry be able to solo a tank and do good.You just tooke the most Expensive and HP strong wise side...thats all...

@ Void: its not my fault you suck at what you do (that was to anyone that complains about every single AV being able to kill you,saying you need a BUFF and FG need a nerf, you just suck because you expect everything handed to you)

Didn't die because he backed off whenever they brought out AV, and he had squadmates willing to jump out of the tank to defend it.
OK TEAMWORK.


Yeah. Teamwork? People covering each other's backs? It looked so nice. You can't nerf teamwork, Checkmate.
He also redacted and said that proto should beat Militia. Don't take it out of context.
Ok TEAMWORK
Yes he did say that proto shoudl beat MLT,after he complained about it... So its like , OMG I GOT KILLED IN 2 SHOTS NERF! but im ok with it... WHAT?

Actually it's 6800 health, 2 hardeners, one pg extender, and a rep with a stage three turret. Very, very, very standard build that gets crushed in no time by good players. And what do you mean by "Getting hit by swarms and a FG like it was nothing"? He had to vamoose every time. He didn't sit and tank it, he retreated and left it to his teammates. This is smart playing. Nerf teamwork.
Well we all saw him, he was playing smart. So...you guys should learn to use that ''teamwork'' to tank instead of keep asking for nerfs in AV and buffs in tanks. so you can solo a whole enemy tank......

Anyway, He was squad-ing with his corp against some really bad pub players, and he was still taking a hammering. Imagine if those guys had been good? Nerf teamwork.
I DIDNT SEE ANY HAMMERING. He didnt die once, so i dont know what is this HAMMERING you are talking about. Hammering is dying 20 times in a game. THATS HAMMERING, of course, i dont think ANY tanker knows what that feels.

I find it amazing that tank players can watch this video and see a guy barely surviving but doing so thanks to the efforts of his team, but AV players can watch it and somehow see Godzilla rampaging through Tokyo. That is too funny.
You know whats also funny? Seeing a tanker that does well because hes playing with his ''TEAM'' and having teamwork. And tankers insead of realizing hes doing good an thanks to his TEAM he doesnt die, INSTEAD of organising stuff with your corps to PLAY like taht you just want buffs and nerfs to benefit your solo tanking.


He wasn't calling for a Forge gun nerf. He loves Forge guns. He uses forge Guns. He says flat out how much the game sucked when Tanks were unstoppable. He is however, accurately pointing out the present innate imbalance between Vehicles and AV
OF Course hes gonna say he loves the FG, he doesnt want to sound Biased. There is no imbalance.Just a lot of whine. 1 on 1 a Tanks defeats infantry how it should be. Point made, the rest depends on position,teamwork,level of AV weaponry etc...How can you even say imbalance after a video clearly showing a decent tank driver (he even admits he's new) OWNING everyone as if they were maggots....

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I know goldfish and small bacterial life that have a better capacity of thought than you. Tanks are not op in the slightest. So what if I have to give my light to carry my swarms to reign death on maddies. I have a smg to deal with reds and the two greens at my back to end any real threat.

You're using a double standard, Checkmate. He used teamwork and excelled because of it, but you're still complaining because the tank didn't get blown up.

1) do not use anon or my crop tags in this./ Do not tell me what to do, i do what i want.

2) your entire farce post are saying with your wording and mannerisms that are tanks are op. That a tank should be soloed by a one guy...,. Just no/ Nope, what im saying is that AV are NOT OP.

3) anon is infact also a good tanker with a high sp alt. still gets soloed so clearly tanks are up./ I know, even better than you that hes a good player, and a good tanker.

4) vet tankers in our corp better than anon get soloed by forgeguns. Clearly op right there like you say / Nope, they just didnt know when to get out, as Pyrex said.

And when VET tankers are talking common sense for once (looking at you qq queen char ) about tanking and av and infantry are not. Well that is sad/ Im sorry i didnt quite get this.

pyrex's video is the 1st to talk about the balance without being biased which none of us can do

I could care less about infantry, they are the ones that got us into this mess in the 1st place.

did you even bother looking on the enemy team he was fighting against? there was NO ORGANIZATION, NO INTELLIGENCE AND NO DEDICATED AV ON THEIR SIDE, all the seem to have was standard AV.

you expect people intelligence and knowledge with what they do and with higher level modules to be soloed by some random red that is too lazy to fully skill into AV like they should that is too ******* stupid to use teamwork like they demand for us?

Call of Dusty is that way:
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anyone else that thinks that infantry are perfect and intelligent? read his post.

your stupid if you have the mindset that vehicles are meant to be **** and this should be mainly or purely an infantry game

actually checkmate, Pyrex is a forger, anyone who watches his videos or knows him in game knows he is a forger

its not 100% shooter you ******... another point, why would they put vehicles in if they wanted it to be about infantry mainly?

on other FPS do you put personal investment into vehicles? in other games do you pay for vehicles with your own ingame currency?

in this game, do you see vehicles being regenerated at random in the same place over and over again, in this game does pilot not suffer from the destruction of vehicles?

so the **** what if in other games they have support vehicles, I believe that the dropship counts as the support vehicle here.

seriously? I do it all the ******* time, ask other tankers how many times iv destroyed other tanks and been destroyed by them, and I do it all nearly solo, I never ask for help from AV unless its in a PC match, everywhere else, im either running solo or going with other tankers, and in every battle I destroy tanks alone..
New Flash.Then they are not good tanks/tankers. EASY.

OR he was unlucky and got AV naded by someone else and you thought (and i wouldnt be surprised) that you are allmighty there by your proto AV 1HKO's tanks

yes I think that tanks should be taken seriously because I am bored of the same old damn dull **** I get from every FPS out there.
This game will not shift and change just because 1 close minded player is bored. get over yourself.

also, in other games, no you don't get to play as a tanker, you don't get your own personal vehicle to invest in and upgrade with your own ****.
Might not be personal,but you CAN upgrade tanks with a lot of stuff (like BF3) and yes,you CAN BE A TANKER as a profesion.

Stop arguing with Checkmate, he is just a scrub who wants others to feel as impotent as he does.

He has no concepts of balance, and especially no idea of what is involved in tanking. Just let him be his scrubby self, and pretend he doesn't exist.

He has no value, and his opinions are even dumber than he is.

everything you know about tanks is wrong, dead wrong, try skilling into them and run them yourself (NO CORP FRIENDS HELPING YOU) and tell me that its easy.

-You might be right, even with a 8mil + tanker accaunt i Might be wrong, no doubt on that one. Everybody makes mistakes.
-You are asking me to tank SOLO. So you are implying you want to be able to TANK solo and have great matches? Again, and as some tanker was pinpointing before, TEAMWORK is the key. I can DO REALLY well with a tank,even if im a sucky tanker,because i use teamwork, the concept of this game is teamwork, and even as atanker if you are just playing solo and trying to take on another team alone, you will ,and deserve to die.

tanks are not OP, av is not UP.
Agreed.

if there would be a limitation on vehicles, CCP would kill its pilot community here, this is not call of duty.
AGAIN WITH CALL OF DUTY, everytime you say that i convince myself a little more that you are hmhm.. SLOW minded.
OF COURSE THERE SHOULD BE A LIMITATION on vehicles. If vehicles get buffed and no limitations would exist this would be 12 tanks vs 12 tanks... i know THATS what you want,not only its stupid,but dont forget this is a FPS, and Infantry will and SHOULD always be present.

I love how checkmate thinks there would be 12 v 12 tanks, he has seemingly forgotten about the vehicle limit.

Oh wait, he has never been tanking.

....what? are you actually implying that I am valuable to the community because I defend my views?

that could be why I have a lot of haters..

But you would know none of these things because your sole intent is to try and rile people up. Your ridiculous statements and hilarious hyperbole is not arguing, nor is it in any way productive.===> ONLY IN THIS PAGE,you have 3 posts, only 1 has an actual elaborate text. Talk about being non productive.

I have grown quite tired of those like you who seem to think that everything is just fine in the tank v infantry balance right now. Unlike most of you scrubs, I actually have a fully specced (16 million SP) out heavy with a prof 5 forge and proto grenades. So I know exactly how easy it is for AV to pop tanks like it is going out of style. I can consistently solo even the most stout of armor tanks. ===>
Im a 15Mill AV specialist,i have proto FG, i have prof 4, and i have proto nades. You smashing weak tankers with your proto gear while in a full squad vs pub players doesnt prove anything. Any garbage player can do that.

So when I see posts about people not being able to kill tanks, I know they are either lying to prevent equilibrium from being reached, or they are just bad at what they do. ===>
As i stated before i only use as examples the times i CANT kill a tank as an example. Why would i use the times i own a tank as an example? like while they are in a city, eat 3 nades and then 1-2 FG shots and boom? Im not bad at what i do.
Equilibrium on what? Tanks are already powerful(didnt say OP,just powerful), have you ever thought that maybe whats BALANCED for YOU,its not blanced for everyone else? havn't you thought, MAYBE , just MAYBE you might be wrong?.
This video actually prooves my point on how strong a tanker can be.

Can you say the same? Of course not. You speak only about one side of the argument, and from my experience as an AV troop, you clearly don't know what you are talking about.==========>
Yeah i can say the same. Im only 1 mill behind you.'.Let me tell you something about experience. I play SOLO with my Proto Gear, i play to win, i dont pub stomp and actually , RARELY use my proto gear.You dont know what the battlefield looks like , TRULY.You are always with friends backing you up. Thats turned you soft,and deluded. You are the type of player that has a 5+Kd ratio,but when playing solo get owned my MLT scrambler pistols.

I know nowyou will say how awesome you are playing solo, 1HKO the enemy MCC with your prof 10 Forge gun.But not only i know its going to be BS,i dont care.

King Checkmate why do you use bold and capitalized print all the time? I mean is it really necessary?
It really does not help get your point across any better and most of the time when I read your posts I get this mental image of some red faced hater foaming at the mouth.
I would like to read your posts and not get a head ache.

I went from long time Solo AV tank killer to a tanker. The sheer amount of fire power we take during the cause of the match is insane, it worse when one player can actually, on his own, constitute 2-3 players fire power in 3 AV grenades, which withing the grand scheme of things are weapons that don't make sense.

how many times do I have to say it before you people actually see it, do I have to put it in bold and underlined words?

I guess I have to.

IM WAITING FOR THE **** TO GET CHANGED BECAUSE THE BALANCE DOESNT EXIST. I PUT THIS VIDEO HERE TO SHOW EVERYONE A NON BIAS WAY OF EXPLAINING THE TANK SIDE.

I dont see its biased, it pretty much sums up how i feel, like sometimes tanks are op, then other times they are up, it all depends on the opposite team and what they got....

1 clued up proto av dude and the tank gonna have a hard time, but given the size of maps, its manageable

2+ proto av, and it starts to become a nightmare for tank, personally i check the other team and debate whether i can bring one in or not, but when you get 5+ games that you cant call a tank, it starts to feel like a waste of isk and sp

infantry or tanker, we all been in them pubs on a side with a complete bunch of dimwits, given the cost of tanks, its a nightmare when your on that bad team

same for infantry, maybe no one got good av, then your ****** and have a crap game

its a tough thing to balance, and have a non-biased view on, but i think ccp on the right track with this "burst tanking" stuff, like, tank goes in gets a couple of mins of beast mode (still kill-able just a bit more solid), then withdraws for cooldowns, which is pretty much how it is now, except, tankers cant have a "beast" mode when theres 2+ proto av out very well, let alone escape




draw distance \ rendering need some kind of buff, or it doesnt matter wtf they do to tanks