There needs to be a limit on the amount of uplinks deployed per squad

the strategy of "all 16 people run proto uplinks and drop them EVERYWHERE" is just stupid.

There's a compelling reason for it, establishing a beachhead.

It does two things:

1) Allows for rapid re-deployment
2) Helps keep everyone together and not trickle in where everyone is continuously outnumbered.


As long as nothing else takes its place DUs will be packed as tightly as the game and player skills/fittings allow.

i'm of two minds about the DU. As a dropship pilot I know they effectively replace me as a transport mechanism. Nobody wants to spawn and wait at the bus stop or taxi stand to get back to the fight. Once single link is placed close enough that is what will be used. Even one will kill my taxi business.

As a Logi I love them. Domination can yield hundreds of points if I don't have much competition.

Funny that you underlined the wrong parts of your own post.

That is not correct.
Militia, normal, hacked, advanced and proto links work the same.

The same being:
Pub games: Links are free for all.
PC matches: Links are squad only.

Basically I and others have run into games where we can only spawn at certain spawn pads. For me only remember running into it on skirmish maps. Basically I could see a number of available drop uplinks on the map and only be able to spawn at the points or one or two others (that I am guessing my squad had placed, but I haven't tested that.
The problem seems to be spread to others as well as I have heard complaints on the forums about uplinks not being used except by squad members.
Then in other games they would work as intended.
I can't remember any other details that would help you at the moment.

No this basically boils down to zerg rush tactics..Died in combat near the objective? No problem, choose one of the 35 uplinks scattered around the map and throw yourself at the objective again!

There is no other game I can think of that allows deployment of infinite spawn points, and it's an obnoxious chore to run around shooting 350,000 uplinks during one PC match.

There needs to be a limit on uplinks so you actually need to use tactics and logic to place them, and not "LOL BLANKET THE ENTIRE MAP IN DROP UPLINKS"

When it says in the description of the hacked uplink usable by everyone...it means militia...thats why people were getting confused.

Maybe wolfman will get back and let us know which is right

I once laid six uplinks and changed suits only to find that every one of them disappeared from my radar.

They came back later after I respawned. I suspect it was part of the buggy behavior.

Hacked links are not militia.
Hacked used to have special functionality, tested last in late Chromosome.
Since uprising, no longer.

I think its clear that there is a glitch or something with dozens of these replies stating as such...including multiple people testing it...so touche...but I,m not sure its an "i told you so"... lol... I think tht this thread has made it very clear that th uplinks are not working properly? no?

We should be hotfixing the problems we found tomorrow if all goes well.

i saw a dev post from i think ccp logibro saying only hacked uplinks can be used by your whole team

Source?
If it is what I remember it's way old, something like from change of 2012-2013.

Personally, as the usual link specialist for my squad, I think a personal limit of 3 is crazy talk. It is way too low and would kill an entire style of play - yes, mine, but beyond my selfish motivation it would more or less nerf the entire logi class pretty hard, we've taken a lot of hits recently as it is. Squad limits make some sense, and I used to be a fan of the team limit solution but your point about it being too random is well taken. The more I think about it, the more I actually like the personal cap better.

My proposals:

1) A cap on total links per squad or team is less desirable, but it should be liberal. I've seen people make suggestions like single-digit team limits, which just like a per-person limit of 3 is way too low. At minimum it should be 16, one per team member overall. Obviously a squad limit would be lower if you went that way, but then what do you do with non-squadded players?

2) A personal cap is probably a more controllable solution, but like everything else it should be skill-based, not just a blanket limit. You could do it one of two ways:

- Make it it's own skill, like the weapon proficiency skills, but you should unlock it at level 3, not 5 like weapons. If you did it that way then you should reduce the SP cost of the links themselves to offset the new requirement. Lets set it at everyone can drop 1 uplink to start. You get to ADV links and that opens up the proficiency skill. You go up to 2 links at level 1, and one more link for each level, with a bonus at ADV and PRO levels. So, uplink proficiency level 2 gets you 3 links, level 3 gets an additional 1+1 for 5 total, and so on until you get to level 5, you can drop 8 links at a time. Even as an admitted drop uplink WP *****(another word for prostitute), I see no legit reason to need to drop more than that at once.

- Base it on the existing skill, using more or less the same numbers. This is a simpler solution but would probably not reduce the spam all that much.


You could obviously also use both type of caps (personal and team/squad) but if you did both the exact numbers I'm using would probably need to be tweaked, primarily in that the team cap should definitely be higher than 16 if you also imposed personal caps. Also, while on the subject, can anyone confirm that there is in fact NO upper limit on the number of links that can be deployed at once?

We've been considering adding squad only versions or making droplinks exclusive to squads for a while now. Would like to hear your thoughts on that.

I understand that you currently find yourself getting a lot of warpoints from uplinks, and it's hard to hear others push for a change that hurts you personally. However, the reality is that not capping the total uplinks on the field in some way to somwhere in the range of 2 or 3 for each objective substantially effects gameplay in a negative way.

With a cap of say, 16 total per team, , we're still talking about 6 uplinks per objective on 5 point maps and 8 per objective on 4 point map. If you don't think that is enough uplinks, I don't even know what else to say. If you ask me, that's still way too many.

With that many uplinks on the field, every game mode is turned into a game of TDM.

I'm having a little trouble with the maths here. How does a limit of 16 uplinks per team equal 6 per objective? Are you talking about both teams combined?

Anyway, like I said, the team cap isn't likely to reduce the spam much. The personal cap, like I outlined, would probably work better. I'm going to start a feedback thread specifically on this plan in the near future I think.

I would say different people play different rolls and capping an individual s uplinks would be like saying only 4 AR's per match, or only 4 tanks a round ( I have been spammed by everything in this game...tanks...dopships,grenades... should we limit these items too because sometimes there is too many?....never gonna happen...