Why are you complaining about a long range, single fire weapon's hip fire and dps?

My GLU 5 TacAR is fine, so is my duvolle TacAR

Don't worry it is getting a nerf, as it should, in 1.5. Wolfman has confirmed. Gallente plasma is supposed to dissipate shortly after it leaves the barrel. It certainly shouldn't be better than the scrambler.

The most hilarious thing about the TAC is the Duvolle TAC having 3.5 extra damage per round over the GLU. That's 63 extra damage for the whole clip! That's all you get for twice the PG/CPU!*

*note - to be completely fair, it also has a 0.1 improvement to accuracy, as if that makes any kind of difference.

It's got to be some kind of CCP joke.

Random numbers incoming... say it's 3.5 * 1.25 (prof) * 1.26 (guesstimated stacking penalized 3x dmg mods) = 5.5 ... If I put 10 rounds into a heavy that is a 55hp difference which could be the difference between "dead heavy" and "heavy that killed my ass while I reload". It's valuable in the same way Armor Upgrades V is valuable ... for those times you are left barely alive after a fight with 2hp and you can nod to yourself and say "yeah... gladd I got that ****" drop your gun, walk away, and smoke a blunt instead of bleeding out on the ground.

This entire ******* GAME is about incrimental advantages and diminishing returns. But diminished returns are nonetheless... returns.

[and for the record, it's the same 5% damage increase the Duvolle has over the Gek]

Incorrect - It does have an increased range over the standard assault rifle.

[quote=Beren Hurin]Don't worry it is getting a nerf, as it should, in 1.5. Wolfman has confirmed. Gallente plasma is supposed to dissipate shortly after it leaves the barrel. It certainly shouldn't be better than the scrambler.

What do you mean? That tac ar was incredibly nerfed. 18 rounds and reduced rate of fire. The gun would be garbage if it wasn't for the range and damage. Idk what you are complaining about we can't even fight an auto ar if they get in range. Take this argument and go home.

I can't find it now, i just remembe a dev saying that it should soon feel like it can't compete as well against a laser or outer ranges of a scrambler. It may mean that these are getting a buff though.

TAR's getting a nerf in 1.5?

Well just another reason the Tac AR needs a Buff - It needs to have a purpose on the battle field.

- People who think the Tac AR has a longer range then other AR variants - Please show proof? other then breech I see Burst, normal and Tac all reaching the same range? If it is longer range it is an ineffective range for combat. I have been using a Tac AR since 2012

P.S - Having Scrambler and Laser Rifle are not the topic of this Thread. If you have issues with your weapon choice make your own thread about it. Please stay on topic (I understand a comparison - I found out here that scramblers and lasers need a purpose buff to. But I am not asking to nerf them, and you should not be negative to my buff suggestion either - I support a buff to give all weapons a purpose on the battle field.

All ARs are, apparently. They will probably do more damage though to compensate for their loss of range.

Because it is not Long Range - Did you read the post?

The most hilarious thing about the TAC is the Duvolle TAC having 3.5 extra damage per round over the GLU. That's 63 extra damage for the whole clip! That's all you get for twice the PG/CPU!*

*note - to be completely fair, it also has a 0.1 improvement to accuracy, as if that makes any kind of difference.

It's got to be some kind of CCP joke.

I am disappointed again to see the Tactical Assault rifle gimped.

It does less damage then a normal assault rifle, is harder to use with single fire, it will completely fail at close range to all other weapons and DOES NOT HAVE AN INCREASED RANGE over the normal Assualt Rifle!

This was the disappointing thing for me. It even says its a weaker weapon "mid damage" in the spec information over the normal assault rifle. So the only benefit is a scope, but your doing less damage over all and will fail in close range

The Tactical Assault Rifle needs to be buffed up. I would suggest a larger clip size again, now that the clip and damage has been nerfed - along with the hip fire accuracy.

Sucks - But if you want to use the Tactical Assault your gimping yourself. You would be better of with any other variant of the Assault Rifle!!

P.S If you enjoy and are good with the Tactical Assault - I would suggest the Burst Assault - You get a scope, more damage and better hip fire accuracy, still it is a slightly different style and takes some practice. Personally I switched to the Normal Assault rifle and use my snipe skills, it is similar target size and the Normal Assault rifle will get you a kill before a Tactical Assault and will work at close range. GOOD LUCK!

Weird my buddy uses it as a all purpose pwnstick and does regurly 25+ kills a game with it and prefers it above the Duvolle, we both tried the burst and dont agree with your statement.

Random numbers incoming... say it's 3.5 * 1.25 (prof) * 1.26 (guesstimated stacking penalized 3x dmg mods) = 5.5 ... If I put 10 rounds into a heavy that is a 55hp difference which could be the difference between "dead heavy" and "heavy that killed my ass while I reload". It's valuable in the same way Armor Upgrades V is valuable ... for those times you are left barely alive after a fight with 2hp and you can nod to yourself and say "yeah... gladd I got that ****" drop your gun, walk away, and smoke a blunt instead of bleeding out on the ground.

This entire ******* GAME is about incrimental advantages and diminishing returns. But diminished returns are nonetheless... returns.

[and for the record, it's the same 5% damage increase the Duvolle has over the Gek]

1.20 is what 3 dam mods would give...

Tac AR's are the weakest AR variant.

You think that with all the complaints of aimbots these would become popular again.

I played with them a little, it seems that the dispersion (even with SS V) is pretty bad. Or maybe the hit detection is not working properly with it. Should have a small review IMHO.

Incorrect - It does have an increased range over the standard assault rifle.

I have always been a normal full auto AR guy, but I "know" that for the most effective use I should be firing controlled bursts but I never seem to have the mental fortitude to do so.

I tried all the variants after Uprising but I never got them to work for me, probably a combination of lack of my skill/stats and hit detection.

So I began testing the burst, breach, tac and normal AR again after 1.4.

Breach is fun but not enough punch to be competitive. Maybe I shouldn't ADS on the breach, that's food for thought.

TAC is too much of a sniper for me, the only kills I get are low health runners, but then again, I'm not a sniper by nature.

Burst is probably my favorite, but something about it makes me always think, well I would have wasted that guy if I just had my duvolle full auto but now I'm dead and he is not. I love the feeling of a direct hit of a concentrated burst but I usually need 3-4 of those to take someone down, and that's just too much, 2 solid burst "should" be lethal. The Allotek with 3 complex dmg mods does hit like a bulldozer.

Also on most of these, I am just getting killed back by full autos, as we all seem to share the same range, or minimal differences.

I enjoy the different playstyles, but I never see the variants on the battlefield anymore

Maybe that's because the community at large has been speaking the truth all this time.

Full auto AR > Every other gun. There's not enough granularity to make using the other variants count.

Having said that, I'm with you. I use them all, and I wish we saw more variations in weapons being used out there :(.

It's hit and miss, we bumped up the TAC and a new FOTM was born, I know we will keep iterating. Competitive but not OP is what everyone wants, it should be about personal preferences and choice, and that's our goal.

It's hit and miss, we bumped up the TAC and a new FOTM was born, I know we will keep iterating. Competitive but not OP is what everyone wants, it should be about personal preferences and choice, and that's our goal.

You think that with all the complaints of aimbots these would become popular again.

I have always been a normal full auto AR guy, but I "know" that for the most effective use I should be firing controlled bursts but I never seem to have the mental fortitude to do so.

I tried all the variants after Uprising but I never got them to work for me, probably a combination of lack of my skill/stats and hit detection.

So I began testing the burst, breach, tac and normal AR again after 1.4.

Breach is fun but not enough punch to be competitive. Maybe I shouldn't ADS on the breach, that's food for thought.

TAC is too much of a sniper for me, the only kills I get are low health runners, but then again, I'm not a sniper by nature.

Burst is probably my favorite, but something about it makes me always think, well I would have wasted that guy if I just had my duvolle full auto but now I'm dead and he is not. I love the feeling of a direct hit of a concentrated burst but I usually need 3-4 of those to take someone down, and that's just too much, 2 solid burst "should" be lethal. The Allotek with 3 complex dmg mods does hit like a bulldozer.

Also on most of these, I am just getting killed back by full autos, as we all seem to share the same range, or minimal differences.

I enjoy the different playstyles, but I never see the variants on the battlefield anymore

That's one the the reasons the more knowledgeable people on this board (not me, that's certain) have been asking to be involved in the balancing process. Some of the balancing attempts before can be loosely summarized as "This item is too popular, we need to reduce it's effectivity by 50%! Balance is restored! ... Oh, why isn't anyone using it anymore? Well, then we're going to buff it by 90%!".

A comparison with the AR

TARs are 74.97 ->78.54 advanced to proto.
ARs are 35.7->37.4 advanced to proto.

So getting the proto TAR gets you 64.26 extra damage for the whole clip. And getting the proto AR gets you 102 extra damage for the whole clip.

Even if the TAR had kept it's 24 round magazine it would still only be 85.68 extra damage per clip. But the PG/CPU specs for the two proto rifles are the same.

This is on top of ARs being able to output 2244 dmg per clip while TARs can only output 1413.72 dmg per clip.

It's hit and miss, we bumped up the TAC and a new FOTM was born, I know we will keep iterating. Competitive but not OP is what everyone wants, it should be about personal preferences and choice, and that's our goal.

The TAR is supposed to be gimpy. If you want a Tactical Rifle, use the ACTUAL Tactical Rifle (Scrambler Rifle).

Lies and hyperbole.
I believe, in my humble and singularly poorly informed opinion, that CCP is listening to player feedback. Part of the problem may be that individual players posting on this forum espouse thier opinions as Fact and demand that thier recommendations be codified into the game immediately and unconditionally.

If not, they rage that CCP doesn't listen or consider thier feelings and they declare that CCP doesn't care about them or this game. Stuff like that.

It's been,what, less than 100 days since 514? 1.4 feels a LOT different than 1.0.

CCP has not buffed or nerfed anything by 90%... Probably ever. But, I expect that statements like this are ment to draw attention to how players FEEL...not how things are.

My wife exaggerates like that all the time...I get it. It's about how players feel...not about reality

Love you dust bunnies...just so you don't get a sad

I have always been a normal full auto AR guy, but I "know" that for the most effective use I should be firing controlled bursts but I never seem to have the mental fortitude to do so.

I tried all the variants after Uprising but I never got them to work for me, probably a combination of lack of my skill/stats and hit detection.

So I began testing the burst, breach, tac and normal AR again after 1.4.

Breach is fun but not enough punch to be competitive. Maybe I shouldn't ADS on the breach, that's food for thought.

TAC is too much of a sniper for me, the only kills I get are low health runners, but then again, I'm not a sniper by nature.

Burst is probably my favorite, but something about it makes me always think, well I would have wasted that guy if I just had my duvolle full auto but now I'm dead and he is not. I love the feeling of a direct hit of a concentrated burst but I usually need 3-4 of those to take someone down, and that's just too much, 2 solid burst "should" be lethal. The Allotek with 3 complex dmg mods does hit like a bulldozer.

Also on most of these, I am just getting killed back by full autos, as we all seem to share the same range, or minimal differences.

I enjoy the different playstyles, but I never see the variants on the battlefield anymore

I do agree with this statement but the idea is to have options within one skill tree. The problem is the regular AR is a bit too good although the balance is close enough. I don't care as much now though because it sounds like we'll be getting Caldari and Minmatar rifles in 1.5 and I'll be standing in line at the Minmatar store waiting to pick up my Combat Rifle.

I have always been a normal full auto AR guy, but I "know" that for the most effective use I should be firing controlled bursts but I never seem to have the mental fortitude to do so.

I tried all the variants after Uprising but I never got them to work for me, probably a combination of lack of my skill/stats and hit detection.

So I began testing the burst, breach, tac and normal AR again after 1.4.

Breach is fun but not enough punch to be competitive. Maybe I shouldn't ADS on the breach, that's food for thought.

TAC is too much of a sniper for me, the only kills I get are low health runners, but then again, I'm not a sniper by nature.

Burst is probably my favorite, but something about it makes me always think, well I would have wasted that guy if I just had my duvolle full auto but now I'm dead and he is not. I love the feeling of a direct hit of a concentrated burst but I usually need 3-4 of those to take someone down, and that's just too much, 2 solid burst "should" be lethal. The Allotek with 3 complex dmg mods does hit like a bulldozer.

Also on most of these, I am just getting killed back by full autos, as we all seem to share the same range, or minimal differences.

I enjoy the different playstyles, but I never see the variants on the battlefield anymore

So... I don't use ARs that much... but I have a question for those who do:

Ignoring the standard full-auto AR, and just comparing the Breach, Tac and Burst variants, are the variant ARs all relatively well balanced against one another?

And leading from that, are they well balanced against the other weapons in the game?

If yes to both questions, the standard AR needs a nerf to be more in line with the other models so they feel more useful. Or every single weapon in the game except the AR needs a buff to line up with how the weapons are "supposed" to be.

Currently the full auto is 3 steps above the breach, the breach is a step above the TAR, and the TAR is two steps above the burst. IMHO

The TAC AR isn't bad, you are.

Bullshit STFU.

/me waves hand like Obi Wan...

"The Tac AR needs to be buffed CCP. Buff the Tac AR. It is so weak. It is so noobish. It sucks so much. Please fix it. We need more rounds, we need higher damage, we need less kick when ADS, we need tighter dispersion in hip fire. I use it every day because I am a masochist, NOT because it is decent. Please help us all: Buff the Tac AR!!"

Also, give my Cal Logi a 4th equipment slot kthxbye.

It's hit and miss, we bumped up the TAC and a new FOTM was born, I know we will keep iterating. Competitive but not OP is what everyone wants, it should be about personal preferences and choice, and that's our goal.

Then spec into scrambler rifle.

Have you used the burst recently?

The three rounds do more total damage then the single TAC round, and with the nerf to clip size for the TAC the burst ends up with 2 more shots at the target.

It's hit and miss, we bumped up the TAC and a new FOTM was born, I know we will keep iterating. Competitive but not OP is what everyone wants, it should be about personal preferences and choice, and that's our goal.

I would not have posted if I hadn't used it. A breach is pretty decent right now, and in the right hands a TAR is pretty good too. Neither really stands up to the full auto however. The burst may sound good on paper, and yes a single burst can out DPS a single shot from a TAR, but the delay between bursts, the low clip size and the still somewhat gimped hit detection for the burst keeps it from being viable. It takes almost twice as long to kill someone with an Allotek Burst AR as it does with a Duvolle Tactical AR because it's hit detection is off and it's one of the few weapons where making every bullet count is a must. Can't make every bullet count when they aren't connecting properly.

Edit: And the fact that the scope is built for longer ranged combat than the burst can cope with due to it's range limitations doesn't help things either.

It's hit and miss, we bumped up the TAC and a new FOTM was born, I know we will keep iterating. Competitive but not OP is what everyone wants, it should be about personal preferences and choice, and that's our goal.

I have always been a normal full auto AR guy, but I "know" that for the most effective use I should be firing controlled bursts but I never seem to have the mental fortitude to do so.

I tried all the variants after Uprising but I never got them to work for me, probably a combination of lack of my skill/stats and hit detection.

So I began testing the burst, breach, tac and normal AR again after 1.4.

Breach is fun but not enough punch to be competitive. Maybe I shouldn't ADS on the breach, that's food for thought.

TAC is too much of a sniper for me, the only kills I get are low health runners, but then again, I'm not a sniper by nature.

Burst is probably my favorite, but something about it makes me always think, well I would have wasted that guy if I just had my duvolle full auto but now I'm dead and he is not. I love the feeling of a direct hit of a concentrated burst but I usually need 3-4 of those to take someone down, and that's just too much, 2 solid burst "should" be lethal. The Allotek with 3 complex dmg mods does hit like a bulldozer.

Also on most of these, I am just getting killed back by full autos, as we all seem to share the same range, or minimal differences.

I enjoy the different playstyles, but I never see the variants on the battlefield anymore

We have been trying to tell this to devs for months. Burst AR needs to go back to seven shot bursts.

Done some more testing, played only TAC AR yesterday, and man, so much fun. It's definitely competitive, played right.

I just needed to pace myself and pick my battles, it's not a slayer weapon but as a mid range support, hovering around objectives and double tapping weakened foes, with the occasional headshot, it excels.

I thought it played like a sniper, but man I was playing it wrong. Gallente advanced assault (I'jm trying to cut back on my proto addiction), ferroscales and dmg mods for high dmg and mobility.

Since I didn't rip through ammo like I do on full auto AR, my nanohive was pretty useless, maybe time to skill into armor repping hive, perfect to dip into cover.

Since I didn't rip through ammo like I do on full auto AR, my nanohive was pretty useless, maybe time to skill into armor repping hive, perfect to dip into cover.

nerf the range of the ARs what is their range anyways? 40m? 50m? 60m? what is it? 100m? dealing 300 dmg in 3 seconds?

Done some more testing, played only TAC AR yesterday, and man, so much fun. It's definitely competitive, played right.

I just needed to pace myself and pick my battles, it's not a slayer weapon but as a mid range support, hovering around objectives and double tapping weakened foes, with the occasional headshot, it excels.

I thought it played like a sniper, but man I was playing it wrong. Gallente advanced assault (I'jm trying to cut back on my proto addiction), ferroscales and dmg mods for high dmg and mobility.

Since I didn't rip through ammo like I do on full auto AR, my nanohive was pretty useless, maybe time to skill into armor repping hive, perfect to dip into cover.

How was hit detection? Sometimes is just "meh", but more often it's really terrible. You get the red crosshair, hitmark, hit sound and all, but nothing happens... Many players reported this issue with the Tac AR.

Anyway, you're right about hives, I use the scanner with the Tac AR. Since it's not a CQC weapon, I carefully scan the surroundings to prevent people from rushing me and, if that happens, I'm aware and ready to unleash my M209...

Why do we stll have the Tac if we have ScR? I mean wasn't the TAC just a place holder and be taken out? Anyways if you want a good semi-auto go invest into the ScR.

OP if you are wanting the TAC AR to compete against the standard AR with the standard AR's range you have it all wrong.
Less damage? Just about double, DPS is different.
To get the maximum effect of the TAC AR you have to understand how to use it, this includes your positioning, your awareness of the enemy and their awareness of you. The GLU is easily one of the best weapons in the game in the right hands.
You have to utilize the weapons range along with correct timing on your attacks. also learn and skill into a good side arm for close combat.

CCP did not nerf or gimp this weapon, they implamented a rare and almost perfect balance.

I felt the scanner just barely picked up people in my optimal range, on the outskirts of the minimap, which is where I am already looking through the scope, maybe I'm wrong though.

Placeholder???

You know, some of us really love the gun... just saying.

The Scrambler is and feels different.

Then why do we have an Assault Scrambler Rifle if we have AR?

I love the Tac AR more than bacon. And that says it all.