I have always been a normal full auto AR guy, but I "know" that for the most effective use I should be firing controlled bursts but I never seem to have the mental fortitude to do so.

I tried all the variants after Uprising but I never got them to work for me, probably a combination of lack of my skill/stats and hit detection.

So I began testing the burst, breach, tac and normal AR again after 1.4.

Breach is fun but not enough punch to be competitive. Maybe I shouldn't ADS on the breach, that's food for thought.

TAC is too much of a sniper for me, the only kills I get are low health runners, but then again, I'm not a sniper by nature.

Burst is probably my favorite, but something about it makes me always think, well I would have wasted that guy if I just had my duvolle full auto but now I'm dead and he is not. I love the feeling of a direct hit of a concentrated burst but I usually need 3-4 of those to take someone down, and that's just too much, 2 solid burst "should" be lethal. The Allotek with 3 complex dmg mods does hit like a bulldozer.

Also on most of these, I am just getting killed back by full autos, as we all seem to share the same range, or minimal differences.

I enjoy the different playstyles, but I never see the variants on the battlefield anymore

I do agree with this statement but the idea is to have options within one skill tree. The problem is the regular AR is a bit too good although the balance is close enough. I don't care as much now though because it sounds like we'll be getting Caldari and Minmatar rifles in 1.5 and I'll be standing in line at the Minmatar store waiting to pick up my Combat Rifle.

I have always been a normal full auto AR guy, but I "know" that for the most effective use I should be firing controlled bursts but I never seem to have the mental fortitude to do so.

I tried all the variants after Uprising but I never got them to work for me, probably a combination of lack of my skill/stats and hit detection.

So I began testing the burst, breach, tac and normal AR again after 1.4.

Breach is fun but not enough punch to be competitive. Maybe I shouldn't ADS on the breach, that's food for thought.

TAC is too much of a sniper for me, the only kills I get are low health runners, but then again, I'm not a sniper by nature.

Burst is probably my favorite, but something about it makes me always think, well I would have wasted that guy if I just had my duvolle full auto but now I'm dead and he is not. I love the feeling of a direct hit of a concentrated burst but I usually need 3-4 of those to take someone down, and that's just too much, 2 solid burst "should" be lethal. The Allotek with 3 complex dmg mods does hit like a bulldozer.

Also on most of these, I am just getting killed back by full autos, as we all seem to share the same range, or minimal differences.

I enjoy the different playstyles, but I never see the variants on the battlefield anymore

So... I don't use ARs that much... but I have a question for those who do:

Ignoring the standard full-auto AR, and just comparing the Breach, Tac and Burst variants, are the variant ARs all relatively well balanced against one another?

And leading from that, are they well balanced against the other weapons in the game?

If yes to both questions, the standard AR needs a nerf to be more in line with the other models so they feel more useful. Or every single weapon in the game except the AR needs a buff to line up with how the weapons are "supposed" to be.

Currently the full auto is 3 steps above the breach, the breach is a step above the TAR, and the TAR is two steps above the burst. IMHO

The TAC AR isn't bad, you are.

Bullshit STFU.

/me waves hand like Obi Wan...

"The Tac AR needs to be buffed CCP. Buff the Tac AR. It is so weak. It is so noobish. It sucks so much. Please fix it. We need more rounds, we need higher damage, we need less kick when ADS, we need tighter dispersion in hip fire. I use it every day because I am a masochist, NOT because it is decent. Please help us all: Buff the Tac AR!!"

Also, give my Cal Logi a 4th equipment slot kthxbye.

It's hit and miss, we bumped up the TAC and a new FOTM was born, I know we will keep iterating. Competitive but not OP is what everyone wants, it should be about personal preferences and choice, and that's our goal.

Then spec into scrambler rifle.

Have you used the burst recently?

The three rounds do more total damage then the single TAC round, and with the nerf to clip size for the TAC the burst ends up with 2 more shots at the target.

It's hit and miss, we bumped up the TAC and a new FOTM was born, I know we will keep iterating. Competitive but not OP is what everyone wants, it should be about personal preferences and choice, and that's our goal.

I would not have posted if I hadn't used it. A breach is pretty decent right now, and in the right hands a TAR is pretty good too. Neither really stands up to the full auto however. The burst may sound good on paper, and yes a single burst can out DPS a single shot from a TAR, but the delay between bursts, the low clip size and the still somewhat gimped hit detection for the burst keeps it from being viable. It takes almost twice as long to kill someone with an Allotek Burst AR as it does with a Duvolle Tactical AR because it's hit detection is off and it's one of the few weapons where making every bullet count is a must. Can't make every bullet count when they aren't connecting properly.

Edit: And the fact that the scope is built for longer ranged combat than the burst can cope with due to it's range limitations doesn't help things either.

It's hit and miss, we bumped up the TAC and a new FOTM was born, I know we will keep iterating. Competitive but not OP is what everyone wants, it should be about personal preferences and choice, and that's our goal.

I have always been a normal full auto AR guy, but I "know" that for the most effective use I should be firing controlled bursts but I never seem to have the mental fortitude to do so.

I tried all the variants after Uprising but I never got them to work for me, probably a combination of lack of my skill/stats and hit detection.

So I began testing the burst, breach, tac and normal AR again after 1.4.

Breach is fun but not enough punch to be competitive. Maybe I shouldn't ADS on the breach, that's food for thought.

TAC is too much of a sniper for me, the only kills I get are low health runners, but then again, I'm not a sniper by nature.

Burst is probably my favorite, but something about it makes me always think, well I would have wasted that guy if I just had my duvolle full auto but now I'm dead and he is not. I love the feeling of a direct hit of a concentrated burst but I usually need 3-4 of those to take someone down, and that's just too much, 2 solid burst "should" be lethal. The Allotek with 3 complex dmg mods does hit like a bulldozer.

Also on most of these, I am just getting killed back by full autos, as we all seem to share the same range, or minimal differences.

I enjoy the different playstyles, but I never see the variants on the battlefield anymore

We have been trying to tell this to devs for months. Burst AR needs to go back to seven shot bursts.