lots of lag...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyv2bodB2hk

aim assist should NOT move your aim AT ALL EVER.

this.

kb/m doesnt have any aim assist.

After 1.4 came out and had a few games, after that i stop playing it because Ccp just give everyone aimbot , this game is not fun anymore . You require no gun skill to able to kill someone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qMqe6MhXY6Y#t=219

THAT'S LAG?

I never got anything like this but I was testing on still targets... The aim does slow down while over a target a lot but this looks pretty damning....

It still explains why faster rof weapons are seeing the most benefit... let me repeat.. aim assist should NOT move your aim AT ALL EVER. Giving noob players the ability to "stick" to a target is enough of an advantage...

It's strange how some/most times it doesn't kick in at all, or for people like me I tested for hours and it never happen... strange....

Still we need a video purely focusing on the conditioning of tracking what ranges, and things that cannot be attested to lag or desyncing issues as well.

For example at the 2 minute mark the guy never fired so we don't know if the guy strafing off to the left or right would have been hit as the tracking was not perfect. The target also never strafed that long to see how far it sticks or if there is a threshold of unsticks to see if its angle based or speed based.

If you guys really want to change things you need to start breaking things down to a science. I'm serious because all of these "I thinks' is not getting anywhere fast.

Still we need a video purely focusing on the conditioning of tracking what ranges, and things that cannot be attested to lag or desyncing issues as well.

For example at the 2 minute mark the guy never fired so we don't know if the guy strafing off to the left or right would have been hit as the tracking was not perfect. The target also never strafed that long to see how far it sticks or if there is a threshold of unsticks to see if its angle based or speed based.

If you guys really want to change things you need to start breaking things down to a science. I'm serious because all of these "I thinks' is not getting anywhere fast.

Still we need a video purely focusing on the conditioning of tracking what ranges, and things that cannot be attested to lag or desyncing issues as well.

For example at the 2 minute mark the guy never fired so we don't know if the guy strafing off to the left or right would have been hit as the tracking was not perfect. The target also never strafed that long to see how far it sticks or if there is a threshold of unsticks to see if its angle based or speed based.

If you guys really want to change things you need to start breaking things down to a science. I'm serious because all of these "I thinks' is not getting anywhere fast.

Still we need a video purely focusing on the conditioning of tracking what ranges, and things that cannot be attested to lag or desyncing issues as well.

For example at the 2 minute mark the guy never fired so we don't know if the guy strafing off to the left or right would have been hit as the tracking was not perfect. The target also never strafed that long to see how far it sticks or if there is a threshold of unsticks to see if its angle based or speed based.

If you guys really want to change things you need to start breaking things down to a science. I'm serious because all of these "I thinks' is not getting anywhere fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMqe6MhXY6Y

One of the only vids iv found actually testing the aim assist. i hope you guys take something from this vid and not exaggerate things of the forums before getting evidence.

Did you watch past the first minute and half where he actually turns it on? Or did you watch the first 30 seconds, say to your self ah ha! then rush to the forums to post about how stupid we all are for thinking there's a significant amount of aim assist.

Did you watch past the first minute and half where he actually turns it on? Or did you watch the first 30 seconds, say to your self ah ha! then rush to the forums to post about how stupid we all are for thinking there's a significant amount of aim assist.

i watch it 3 times already, how many times have you've watch it

Get on it, you are such a tool its not even funny.... That is proof enough, that its far more then just slowing down your aim or "assisting you to stay on target" its staying on target with out the guy even doing anything...

The majority of this video speaks for the majority of what the community has been bitching about since 1.4.. Thats plenty of break down in my eyes.. If you need more proof or want to CPM it up make a video big guy show us what you got...

Wouldn't mind seeing CCP's response to this.

I honestly don't think the AA is that bad (I say this as someone who uses a weapon that doesn't benefit from any type of Aim Assist), but the video definitely shows the reticle following the red player once AA is on. The motion is too fluid and precise for it to be the guy trying to trick us by using the stick.

Nerf it or keep it, I don't mind either way.

lots of lag...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyv2bodB2hk

Will have another video testing by this time tomorrow.

Please test bunny hoping and both players strafing at once. Also test long strafes vs short strafes, circle strafes and figure eights please.

I know you run shotgun so if you can test that too, it would be nice.

If it doesn't really track when both players are moving then this is all sort of a moot point.

Its playing now.

Just rewound... 2:00-2:09 is a perfect example of the game tracking for him. Or did you just stop watching as soon as you started to witness something you disagreed with?

Still we need a video purely focusing on the conditioning of tracking what ranges, and things that cannot be attested to lag or desyncing issues as well.

For example at the 2 minute mark the guy never fired so we don't know if the guy strafing off to the left or right would have been hit as the tracking was not perfect. The target also never strafed that long to see how far it sticks or if there is a threshold of unsticks to see if its angle based or speed based.

If you guys really want to change things you need to start breaking things down to a science. I'm serious because all of these "I thinks' is not getting anywhere fast.

Still we need a video purely focusing on the conditioning of tracking what ranges, and things that cannot be attested to lag or desyncing issues as well.

For example at the 2 minute mark the guy never fired so we don't know if the guy strafing off to the left or right would have been hit as the tracking was not perfect. The target also never strafed that long to see how far it sticks or if there is a threshold of unsticks to see if its angle based or speed based.

If you guys really want to change things you need to start breaking things down to a science. I'm serious because all of these "I thinks' is not getting anywhere fast.

We should keep it, its not as bad as people have been claiming and it doesnt, stray for headshots, however you cant deny its is actively helping aiming.

At the same time unless your already aiming yourself, it will only eliminate the texan 2 stepping of previous builds!! Its not aimbot!!

If a computer moves your aim for you ever.... its not an aim assist... if you can't figure out a computer moving your gun at all ever is has nothing to do with you aiming then... why play FPS?

Still we need a video purely focusing on the conditioning of tracking what ranges, and things that cannot be attested to lag or desyncing issues as well.

For example at the 2 minute mark the guy never fired so we don't know if the guy strafing off to the left or right would have been hit as the tracking was not perfect. The target also never strafed that long to see how far it sticks or if there is a threshold of unsticks to see if its angle based or speed based.

If you guys really want to change things you need to start breaking things down to a science. I'm serious because all of these "I thinks' is not getting anywhere fast.

Still we need a video purely focusing on the conditioning of tracking what ranges, and things that cannot be attested to lag or desyncing issues as well.

For example at the 2 minute mark the guy never fired so we don't know if the guy strafing off to the left or right would have been hit as the tracking was not perfect. The target also never strafed that long to see how far it sticks or if there is a threshold of unsticks to see if its angle based or speed based.

If you guys really want to change things you need to start breaking things down to a science. I'm serious because all of these "I thinks' is not getting anywhere fast.

Still we need a video purely focusing on the conditioning of tracking what ranges, and things that cannot be attested to lag or desyncing issues as well.

For example at the 2 minute mark the guy never fired so we don't know if the guy strafing off to the left or right would have been hit as the tracking was not perfect. The target also never strafed that long to see how far it sticks or if there is a threshold of unsticks to see if its angle based or speed based.

If you guys really want to change things you need to start breaking things down to a science. I'm serious because all of these "I thinks' is not getting anywhere fast.

Why are you even here??? What purpose do you serve??? Seriously.....& you wonder why I see you as a Joke. Not even a "Quality" Joke.....more like a "Knock-Knock" Joke told incredibly wrong.......

Why are you arguing that you don't need a video of how hard these pull?

the video seemed fairly thorough. before you get into strafing, bullet impact while tracking, all that crap, you have to answer one question. are you're ok with a computer literally aiming for you?

Im not saying its perfect and definitely requires tweaking, I wholey agree it shouldn't move your reticule, not really, but you also cant deny some people have blown it out of proportion!!

I also dont think its the MAIN problem, the hit boxes are wrong, somehow the hit detection/lag compensation is over the top, and even dropping aim assist wont solve that!!

We can all discuss the aim assist later once hit detection/lag compensation is sorted until then "fixing" anything else is pointless!!

Let me ask you this.

What do you really think a video of someone's screen can prove?

Do you know what kind of control input device he is using? No! Can you see it? No!

Can you simultaneously watch his thumbs (or hands if he is using a Mouse) and the screen to judge if his movements correspond to the reticule moving on the screen or if the reticule is moving of it's own volition? No!



Seriously?

I hate to call it an Aimbot and being I don't speak Russian Im not sure if hes moving it himself but it looks damn close to an Aimbot at 2:00 in and 3:30....

Hmm, well, you could setup a webcam to record your hands during a match, and overlay it. Streamers do that sometimes. With decent capture and cam it's very doable.

A. You don't know when the player is turning, and when he's not.

B. The only time the Aim Assist tracks the target, is when the player is stationary. Note that the target could still break from the aim assist.

C. When he moves, the aim assist does not track the target, but adds friction when he gets on target.

Interesting, seems the aim assist benefits players who stop and aim, more than players who run wildly in every direction holding strafe. Makes sense to me. There's a benefit and drawback to stopping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMqe6MhXY6Y

One of the only vids iv found actually testing the aim assist. i hope you guys take something from this vid and not exaggerate things of the forums before getting evidence.

Still we need a video purely focusing on the conditioning of tracking what ranges, and things that cannot be attested to lag or desyncing issues as well.

For example at the 2 minute mark the guy never fired so we don't know if the guy strafing off to the left or right would have been hit as the tracking was not perfect. The target also never strafed that long to see how far it sticks or if there is a threshold of unsticks to see if its angle based or speed based.

If you guys really want to change things you need to start breaking things down to a science. I'm serious because all of these "I thinks' is not getting anywhere fast.

Still we need a video purely focusing on the conditioning of tracking what ranges, and things that cannot be attested to lag or desyncing issues as well.

For example at the 2 minute mark the guy never fired so we don't know if the guy strafing off to the left or right would have been hit as the tracking was not perfect. The target also never strafed that long to see how far it sticks or if there is a threshold of unsticks to see if its angle based or speed based.

If you guys really want to change things you need to start breaking things down to a science. I'm serious because all of these "I thinks' is not getting anywhere fast.

well, we finally got our video. Unfortunately for the crowd speaking against the people complaining, this is pretty tough to refute.

Aim assist is ESSENTIAL in a game like Dust, but this shows it is simply too much. A good aim assist is something you never see and should certainly never move the reticule without user input.

That hipfire tracking was very strong and he wasnt even touching his analog. Less and less people are defending the tracking now and the ones left are trying pretty hard.

As far as i can tell the aim assist is pretty much the same as any other console game, i dont see any problems.

You realize the reason many people play Dust is because we are sick of other console games?

your begging for a COD troll right now...

That dosent matter. Consoles use aim assist because controlers arnt as accurate as a KB/M

Let me ask you this.

What do you really think a video of someone's screen can prove?

Do you know what kind of control input device he is using? No! Can you see it? No!

Can you simultaneously watch his thumbs (or hands if he is using a Mouse) and the screen to judge if his movements correspond to the reticule moving on the screen or if the reticule is moving of it's own volition? No!

Can you confirm that he has no framerate lag? No!

All of his movements look twitchy, honestly. I can 100% with out a doubt tell you that there is no "lock on" feature with the current aim assist. As a matter of fact, I would venture to say that because all of his movements look twitchy, he is probably using a Kb/M.

Notice when he is aiming from hip and strafing, there is no visible tell that there is any aim assist whatsoever. There is no "magnetism" there is not "target lock" When his buddy strafes in front of his reticule, the reticule does not "auto track" him.

When he is ADS, he is simply strafing a tiny bit and stopping when he is actually aming at his buddy.

His movements look fast and jerky because of the way you move with a Kb/M set up.

Analog stick left to right movement works like this:
You start at center, speed up to move right, slow down to center, speed up to left. When you change directions with an analog stick, you must always first pass through center. This cause you to slow down, then speed back up when you begin to move in the other direction. This makes your movements more fluid and more predictable.

Kb/M movement works like this:
You mash a button to move left, you mash a different button and you are immediately moving the other direction. So you can go from full speed right strafe to full speed left strafe without having to slow down, then speed up. This makes your movements look more twitchy, and less predictable.

Are you people really this gullible?

Seriously?

KB/M has input delay, and when it tracked it was consistent with the movement of the character itself without any delay.

You are the only one gullible I am afraid.

Still we need a video purely focusing on the conditioning of tracking what ranges, and things that cannot be attested to lag or desyncing issues as well.

For example at the 2 minute mark the guy never fired so we don't know if the guy strafing off to the left or right would have been hit as the tracking was not perfect. The target also never strafed that long to see how far it sticks or if there is a threshold of unsticks to see if its angle based or speed based.

If you guys really want to change things you need to start breaking things down to a science. I'm serious because all of these "I thinks' is not getting anywhere fast.

Wouldn't bother, you're arguing with literally the only person left who is bad enough to still be defending the aimbot assist.

Notice how everyone else who was defending it in the first 24-48 hours has pretty much said "okay, yeah, you guys are right - this **** is dumb"? Especially after the videos that have been posted proving how strong it is.

Now that this is actually the case, all of you protobear n00b stompers are shitting your britches because you know your days are numbered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMqe6MhXY6Y

One of the only vids iv found actually testing the aim assist. i hope you guys take something from this vid and not exaggerate things of the forums before getting evidence.

Its astonishing that people see this and still try to deny the effect of aa

Yes, but some people see this and cry aimbot, both are wrong, this is somewhere in the middle, it needs a little tweaking, but its not infalable, undodgeable auto aim people are STILL claiming!! This aim assist combined with improved (maybe to much) hit detection and the power of Hrof weapons have created an almost paradoxical effect compared to 1.1, 2 and 3!! Changes need to be made, but its not as bad or undealable as some make it out to be!!

The system is broken monkey.. specially when its moving and tracking targets with no input what so ever.