Seriously CCP, this thing is ridiculous, and it's honestly the only thing (Besides the obvious LLAV) that needs a nerf beating. I mean a REAL beating. For all the ammo it has, the damage should be pithy so that people have time to react to it, and it's range is still somewhat unreal, even without the sharpshooter bonus. (I miss you chromosome)

This thing looks as if it should work like a miniature HMG, so lets make it like an ACTUAL small HMG. Works the same, but is less effective overall. Like most things you're trying, I feel as if the AR should be a niche weapon, useful only in a designed role, in certain scenarios. It shouldn't be a master of everything, I don't even feel like it should be a jack of all trades.

It should possibly be powerful enough to make enemies check to make sure they're ready to take it on (Sufficient ammo and shields to win) but AR's shouldn't be able to go 20-2 in pubs.

Inb4lock in 3, 2, 1..............................

Inb4lock in 3, 2, 1..............................

inb4 lock for heresy against Duvolle.


ps 20-2? What about 50+ and 2?

Oh you are not ******* serious. I had to watch it to be sure...

Oh you are not ******* serious. I had to watch it to be sure...

Seriously CCP, this thing is ridiculous, and it's honestly the only thing (Besides the obvious LLAV) that needs a nerf beating. I mean a REAL beating. For all the ammo it has, the damage should be pithy so that people have time to react to it, and it's range is still somewhat unreal, even without the sharpshooter bonus. (I miss you chromosome)

This thing looks as if it should work like a miniature HMG, so lets make it like an ACTUAL small HMG. Works the same, but is less effective overall. Like most things you're trying, I feel as if the AR should be a niche weapon, useful only in a designed role, in certain scenarios. It shouldn't be a master of everything, I don't even feel like it should be a jack of all trades.

It should possibly be powerful enough to make enemies check to make sure they're ready to take it on (Sufficient ammo and shields to win) but AR's shouldn't be able to go 20-2 in pubs.

I'm not so much in favor of a super nerf but something to put it in a niche of short range.
Reduce range to 35m.
That is all.

Also remove tactical variant completely or make its range 50m.

Increase Normal Scrambler rifle range and make it the tactical AR, make the Assault Rifle like the Breach AR only the same damage/firing speed as it is now, make the Caldari Gauss gun the new assault rifle to be used but a little less damage, make the Combat Rifle OP so the minnie guys can be happy and claim the gun is only OP because minnies are badasses.

The stupid part about ARs that they fire ultra hot plasma and can shoot more precise than the ASCR....


The AR shoot plasma, there has to be some kind of acceleration given to the plasma load, which will naturaly lead to kickback, which you don't feel ingame.

The ASCR shoots laser impulses, so it shoots light, but still has incredible kick back, from what? Light? Do you feel a kickback on a flashlight? Personally I dont......

And with the actual ammunition of each weapon in mind, it will lead also to the conclusion that the ASCR should be more precise on distance.

Just my 2 cents....

Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?

Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?

Are you kidding me dude I have to use a foregrip on my flashlight -_-
the recoil is too much.

Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?

Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?

I don't understand how someone "abuses" an AR...

Unless you're talking about going 50-0 in a pub...

i guess i'm assuming that when the shield/armour ratios are reduced they'll all be better off. also, the scrambler rifle is just an ar.

If your saying all ARs need to be nerfed then you are also including the other 2 in the works. This means you want to nerf 1/2 of all of the anti infantry light weapons that will be available in the game. And knowing the anti AR crowd they truly do want the AR to be useless. Unlike those who want actual weaponry balance the majority of AR haters will not be happy until ARs will literally be unable to kill someone. Why?? Well simple really its because the MD takes more skill

I don't understand how someone "abuses" an AR...

Unless you're talking about going 50-0 in a pub...

inb4 lock for heresy against Duvolle.


ps 20-2? What about 50+ and 2?

If your saying all ARs need to be nerfed then you are also including the other 2 in the works. This means you want to nerf 1/2 of all of the anti infantry light weapons that will be available in the game. And knowing the anti AR crowd they truly do want the AR to be useless. Unlike those who want actual weaponry balance the majority of AR haters will not be happy until ARs will literally be unable to kill someone. Why?? Well simple really its because the MD takes more skill

Before you start ranting about conspiracy theories realize your opinion doesn't matter because you obviously have little grasp of balance whatsoever.

For what? I think this was a well thought out reasonable post

they could buff the hmg ;p

but i do agree, ARs are too OP, if your using anything but at over 100m away, you cant beat their accuracy and they still do a sizable amount of damage. up close they can destroy a heavy faster than a hmg can kill them, when the hmg is a cqw, somehow i find this wrong....

Yes I have little idea of what weaponry balance looks like............right. Well you keep believeing that. Until you have actually participated in competitive gaming you wont have any clue of what weapon balance looks like. You have our bias and you refuse to listen to anything that would be reasonable. Just because when CCP nerfs something they usually do it too hard doesnt mean that the weapon should remain the same. You apparently think that the MD is so completely dependent on its current AOE that any less will mean it will instantly be the worst gun in the game.....meanwhile many players who have been using MD for several months are noting that the MD is in fact easymode as it currently stands. Incase you havent noticed the people who argue that the MD should remain the same are generally bad at this game.

Does everyone realize that the whole game is balanced around the AR? The AR is THE classic weapon in all first person shooter games. If you rebalance those guns, then you have to rebalance every gun...

Of course there are many people using the AR. For me, its what I am used to in every FPS that I play. The same goes for many people in this game...

No you don't need to rebalance every other gun. This is an idiotic argument. Everything should not be balanced against the AR anyways. It shouldn't even be called an AR tbh. It should be the Blaster Rifle or something along those lines and have much less range than laser based weaponry.

Jimbo appears to be correct. Everything has been nerfed to cater to the AR.

Its because there is absolutely nothing wrong with the AR...

Its because there is absolutely nothing wrong with the AR...

Except...The fact that it's THE useful gun in DUST 514. MD's time is almost up, then you AR users will reign supreme once again. Congratulations, who knows, one day this may force everyone else out of the game. Then all you AR's will have it all to yourself.

And this is why your point is idiotic.

Seriously CCP, this thing is ridiculous, and it's honestly the only thing (Besides the obvious LLAV) that needs a nerf beating. I mean a REAL beating. For all the ammo it has, the damage should be pithy so that people have time to react to it, and it's range is still somewhat unreal, even without the sharpshooter bonus. (I miss you chromosome)

This thing looks as if it should work like a miniature HMG, so lets make it like an ACTUAL small HMG. Works the same, but is less effective overall. Like most things you're trying, I feel as if the AR should be a niche weapon, useful only in a designed role, in certain scenarios. It shouldn't be a master of everything, I don't even feel like it should be a jack of all trades.

It should possibly be powerful enough to make enemies check to make sure they're ready to take it on (Sufficient ammo and shields to win) but AR's shouldn't be able to go 20-2 in pubs.

I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead.

I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK

Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available)

Grenade: Lai Dai AV

So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off.

But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage.

I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead.

I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK

Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available)

Grenade: Lai Dai AV

So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off.

But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage.

I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead.

I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK

Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available)

Grenade: Lai Dai AV

So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off.

But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage.

Wait the AR isn't OP just because you equipped it to a logi suit? lolwut

Also I am not putting a real life weapon into the game and making it worse. If you don't realize there are no real life Blaster Rifles. I'm going off the lore that says blasters have less range than laser based weaponry.

If you didn't realize, the gun is called an assault rifle, not a blaster rifle...

You were the one calling it OP on this thread first...not me. I don't think its OP at all.
Please tell with FACTS, what makes it OP?

Have you even read this damn thread? Go back and check my posts. Also it's called an AR but it's not a traditional AR. Get that through your thick head. If you haven't realized, we aren't played a modern day shooter, or a WW II shooter, we are playing a sci-fi shooter taking place in the EVE universe where the "AR" uses blaster tech that has less range than other tech.

Lol
Umm okay...take away the range LOL
The amount of kills that I get in longer range/short range is about 5%/95%

Ouch...I don't think you wanted to hear that :(

Lol
Umm okay...take away the range LOL
The amount of kills that I get in longer range/short range is about 5%/95%

Ouch...I don't think you wanted to hear that :(

MD is fine several factors just make it appear OP.

Armor sucks
Grenades need to be rebalanced (flux nades)
Explosives need damage drop off at the edge of it's radius

Does competitive gaming include using the most popular weapon which obviously needs to be rebalanced and "nerfed"? If so count me out.

Right again...95% of my kills are in close range...which means I will be using hipfire. Sooooo...close range means that they are nearly right next to me. The chances of me hitting them are very high because they are in CLOSE range....

Do you see? Close range means that if the gun has recoil or not...all of the bullets will still hit as long as the perso

Your own comment shows u dont pay attention to what ppl write. Its plastered all over that ise the scrambler rifle......unless u are just calling all mag fed rifles in this game an addault rifle.....

The other problem is your assuming ccp will actually do the correct thing regarding and make explosive dropoff. I assume no such thing given their poor game mechanics history.

I have no idea what you're talking about with your first sentence, please clean it up so it isn't nonsense.

Ahhh so you use a Scrambler RIfle. I have heard other people say that the Scrambler Rifle is OP so many times. I have also heard you complain that it only does 80% damage to armor.

I think I should now complain that my AV grenades should do damage to dropsuits if I hit them in the head. I mean it is made of metal LOL

semperfi1999 wrote:
Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?


AR has no recoil
AR has more accuracy
AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor
AScR has massive recoil
AScR has less range


Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor

semperfi1999 wrote:
Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?


AR has no recoil
AR has more accuracy
AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor
AScR has massive recoil
AScR has less range


Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor

Nerf the AR, I will go full time MD. Nerf the MD, I will go full time AR. Nerf them both, I will go full time FG. Nerf that, I won't need a weapon cause there will be nobody around left to kill:D

Well thats wrong.

AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. The scrambler has more accuracy, more dmg, faster reload, more rounds per mag, similar rof, similar range ( can a couple meters really make that big of a difference?? Scr range was buffed already to they are almost identical now), 80% dmg to armor is only 2 dmg less than the ARs dmg to armor but it does like 7 more dmg to shields per round than the AR.

Well thats wrong.

AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. The scrambler has more accuracy, more dmg, faster reload, more rounds per mag, similar rof, similar range ( can a couple meters really make that big of a difference?? Scr range was buffed already to they are almost identical now), 80% dmg to armor is only 2 dmg less than the ARs dmg to armor but it does like 7 more dmg to shields per round than the AR.

multiple pages of arguments, i scanned through but I did not check em all, the AR causes so many people headaches its unbelievable, the whining needs to stop!
where does it end? we need intelligent feedback on weapons to determine how they should be fixed not a bunch of arguments because people don't like dying to a weapon...
there is only one major flaw with the AR
its not the range...
its not the dps....

its the clip capacity and overall ammo count

60 is too much , half would still leave you with the potential of dealing 1000 hp in a clip

The AR is THE classic weapon in all first person shooter games.

Didn't complain just talking about how the AScR is not better than the AR since semperfi brought that up before.

I completely agree with everything that you said. I am not the one posting that the AR has no recoil...etc.

That was Bittersteel the Bastard who posted that on the first page at the bottom...

"AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. "

Are you ******* serious? Get the hell out.

So you pointed out all of the negative things about the AScR in your view but FAILED to point out all of the positive things about the AScR has over the AR

Go fire a duvalle AR and then come back to me.

Yes that's how you make an argument. I'm glad you understand because you realize you've been doing the same thing?

I've fired a Gek before. Have you even touched an AScR?

The AR has no recoil when compared to anything else.

Unless you can't read...go fire a DUVALLE

Yes that's how you make an argument. I'm glad you understand because you realize you've been doing the same thing?

I mean, Jungian is a beast no one can argue that, but yeah. LOL on that guy I heard durring the CPM open house that freaked out about a guy almost getting 30 kills with an MD.

So you can one shot people in the head with a scrambler rifle in a heavy shielded tanking game and you are the one complaining? You? Because I don't see anyone else here on this forum...

*Duvolle

You must not have used one yourself to have incorrectly spelled it twice.

I've fired a GEK have you fired a CDR-9?

Yup i have....all the time......and it has less recoil than the ar....

You ever shot the ascr against a wall and let off the aiming stick to see what happens?? You should it pretty much doesnt move.

Wait are you complaining because a weapon which is 120% effective against shields can one shot a shield tanker?
Do you also realize you need to charge it, it has overheat, and that most charge shots do not register unless you are standing utterly still.

Do you also realize we've been talking about the Assault Scrambler Rifle, which cannot one-shot kill anything.

If you read my post, I am not complaining one bit. I am just merely pointing out the positives of your weapon that you FAILED to post. You FAILED to post that most people shield tank. You FAILED to post that you can choose a weapon that can charge up and kill someone with one hit. But no...you would rather comment of how this is ME complaining. Let me tell you sir...I am not complaining one bit about any of this. I embrace all of that because it is part of the game.

You chose to use the Assault scrambler rifle when you CLEARLY could CHOOSE the Scrambler Rifle. But here you are saying that the assault scrambler rifle is UP. Then choose the Scrambler Rifle for gods sake. Its not like you wasted any SP.

So I say that YOU are the one complaining here. "You realize that you have to charge it"...then DON"T CHARGE IT! The AR doesn't have this option....THEN DONT USE IT IF YOU SUCK AT USING IT.

If you have to hit someone with it by them "standing utterly still", then you must suck...

You have the TAC AR which the Scrambler Rifle is a variant of. And BTW the hit detection issues with a charge shot are present and known a quick search will show you that it isn't just my "gun-game". Plus it's pretty obvious this rant of yours is just one big long complaint. Oh and quit instigating because you have nothing else to do and fighting with someone gave you a sense of human contact. Bye.

I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead.

I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK

Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available)

Grenade: Lai Dai AV

So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off.

But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage.

Please underline the section of my post that is a complaint...I will wait

You can try and defend it all you want, but once the Nerf train starts...It doesn't stop for anyone

I will gladly wait for the day that will never come

Seems like the same thing the flaylocks, HMG (Chromosome) Viziam and a number of other things said. Not to mention the things that didn't deserve a nerf. But...I'm archiving your post, so I can make it a topic when that day DOES come.

Wait til the combat rifle and gauss gun comes out.

Seriously CCP, this thing is ridiculous, and it's honestly the only thing (Besides the obvious LLAV) that needs a nerf beating. I mean a REAL beating. For all the ammo it has, the damage should be pithy so that people have time to react to it, and it's range is still somewhat unreal, even without the sharpshooter bonus. (I miss you chromosome)

This thing looks as if it should work like a miniature HMG, so lets make it like an ACTUAL small HMG. Works the same, but is less effective overall. Like most things you're trying, I feel as if the AR should be a niche weapon, useful only in a designed role, in certain scenarios. It shouldn't be a master of everything, I don't even feel like it should be a jack of all trades.

It should possibly be powerful enough to make enemies check to make sure they're ready to take it on (Sufficient ammo and shields to win) but AR's shouldn't be able to go 20-2 in pubs.

Seriously CCP, this thing is ridiculous, and it's honestly the only thing (Besides the obvious LLAV) that needs a nerf beating. I mean a REAL beating. For all the ammo it has, the damage should be pithy so that people have time to react to it, and it's range is still somewhat unreal, even without the sharpshooter bonus. (I miss you chromosome)

This thing looks as if it should work like a miniature HMG, so lets make it like an ACTUAL small HMG. Works the same, but is less effective overall. Like most things you're trying, I feel as if the AR should be a niche weapon, useful only in a designed role, in certain scenarios. It shouldn't be a master of everything, I don't even feel like it should be a jack of all trades.

It should possibly be powerful enough to make enemies check to make sure they're ready to take it on (Sufficient ammo and shields to win) but AR's shouldn't be able to go 20-2 in pubs.

I've only seen Sagaris's go that hard :c

On further note, +1 to the OP, but the title makes you think it's going to be a parody of the multiple Forge Gun cry threads, so you may want to rename it.

As for the AR, you hit the nail SOMEWHAT on the head. A Blaster weapon like the AR should have a shorter range than its contemporaries, shorter than even the HMG if we went full hog into EVE weapon typing. I personally believe the AR is the way it is because it is supposed to be making up for the lack of the other three Rifles, but that theory was shaken when the Scrabler came out but was still weaker than the Tactical AR :c

I would really like to see someone nudge the DEVs on the AR discord, if we could just get a single BluePost detailing what the AR is supposed to be for and whether it works asintended, it would do alot to comfort the forums. Then again, they gave us a BluePost (several in fact) about how the Forge works as intended and we all saw how much that changed things...

For all the ammo it has, the damage should be pithy so that people have time to react to it, and it's range is still somewhat unreal, even without the sharpshooter bonus. (I miss you chromosome)

Yet its funny how the AR, GEK, and Duvolle haven't been nerfed since this game started....
While every other weapon has...just a thought

The range needs a small nerf but it certainly needs more recoil. That thing is freaking laser accurate even in hipfire.

Seriously CCP, this thing is ridiculous, and it's honestly the only thing (Besides the obvious LLAV) that needs a nerf beating. I mean a REAL beating. For all the ammo it has, the damage should be pithy so that people have time to react to it, and it's range is still somewhat unreal, even without the sharpshooter bonus. (I miss you chromosome)

This thing looks as if it should work like a miniature HMG, so lets make it like an ACTUAL small HMG. Works the same, but is less effective overall. Like most things you're trying, I feel as if the AR should be a niche weapon, useful only in a designed role, in certain scenarios. It shouldn't be a master of everything, I don't even feel like it should be a jack of all trades.

It should possibly be powerful enough to make enemies check to make sure they're ready to take it on (Sufficient ammo and shields to win) but AR's shouldn't be able to go 20-2 in pubs.

AR has no recoil
AR has more accuracy
AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor
AScR has massive recoil
AScR has less range

Didn't complain just talking about how the AScR is not better than the AR since semperfi brought that up before.

Lets see here.

MD no recoil
Laser no recoil
Scr extremely minor recoil
Ascr extremely minor recoil
Hmg has recoil buy only recoil is a slight upward movement easily adjusted for
Forge gun no recoil.
Shotgun small recoil
Scr pistol small recoil
Flaylock sall if any recoil
Smg recoil is similar to AR
Sniper rifle high recoil
AR moderate amount of recoil

So yes of the weapons AR has some of the strongest recoil as its not just up its also side to side.

First off the AR gets 10 increase on damage against shield and armor which is a poor increase compared to 20% shield damage when fighting against a Caldari

Secondly yes the AR need more recoil and accuracy control but so does every weapon in this game, HMG should have the most recoil but its dispersion is a substitute for now.

Thirdly AScr has charge shots which kills anyone within its sights in optimal range. this Rifle is suppose to be used in shorter ranges because of that implement, and power against shield damage.

finally, the AR is actually not as effective against armor because armor can take more of a beating than shields, so if you're running caldari than you at a disadvantage vs Gallente which has an advantage

What are you talking about? FG no recoil? Flaylock no recoil? Shotgun small recoil? MD no recoil?
WTF do you think recoil is? The FG freaking goes a foot up, the flaylock is like a magnum, the shotgun breaks your arm (which is why the merc holds it with 2 HANDS), and I'm not going to say anything about MD...

TBH, only problem with ARs is range. It outdoes a freaking LASER RIFLE. You know how light is supposed to go extremely far?

I don't understand how someone "abuses" an AR...

Unless you're talking about going 50-0 in a pub...

First, this is an advantage to the Scrambler for Caldari ONLY. The only reason there are so many Caldari is the CalLogi fiasco, but as the other suits get more use this will change drastically.

Secondly, the AR is as accurate as the Laser Rifle, with an equal amount of dispursion and almost as much kick. The Lasrt has no kick because it fires LIGHT, but the AR fires balls of plasma which explode into life every trigger squeeze, which would create some kick. The Scrambler is supposed to be fireing either light or some kind of energy pulse, not 100% sure but I swear it's light.

Thirdly, the AScR does NOT have charge shots, that's the whole point of the AScR. The ScR, meanwhile, has a charge feature because it IS the Tactical Rifle of DUST514. It is meant to be THE Tactical, but the TAR is better than it in almost every way but the shear alpha damage of a charged headshot. Even not counting the charged shot's odd hit detection, it almost drains your heatsink, only allowing for three more shots before you break your own shield layer.

Finally, the AR may not have a bonus against armor but it does have LESS of a damage reduction than the Scrambler does. Scrambler's 80% to AR's 90%. The Scrambler is at more of a disadvantage to your hypothetical Gallente than the AR would be.

Does everyone realize that the whole game is balanced around the AR? The AR is THE classic weapon in all first person shooter games. If you rebalance those guns, then you have to rebalance every gun...

Of course there are many people using the AR. For me, its what I am used to in every FPS that I play. The same goes for many people in this game...