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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:29:00 -
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Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:18:00 -
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low genius wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? i guess i'm assuming that when the shield/armour ratios are reduced they'll all be better off. also, the scrambler rifle is just an ar.
If your saying all ARs need to be nerfed then you are also including the other 2 in the works. This means you want to nerf 1/2 of all of the anti infantry light weapons that will be available in the game. And knowing the anti AR crowd they truly do want the AR to be useless. Unlike those who want actual weaponry balance the majority of AR haters will not be happy until ARs will literally be unable to kill someone. Why?? Well simple really its because the MD takes more skill  |
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:low genius wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? i guess i'm assuming that when the shield/armour ratios are reduced they'll all be better off. also, the scrambler rifle is just an ar. If your saying all ARs need to be nerfed then you are also including the other 2 in the works. This means you want to nerf 1/2 of all of the anti infantry light weapons that will be available in the game. And knowing the anti AR crowd they truly do want the AR to be useless. Unlike those who want actual weaponry balance the majority of AR haters will not be happy until ARs will literally be unable to kill someone. Why?? Well simple really its because the MD takes more skill Before you start ranting about conspiracy theories realize your opinion doesn't matter because you obviously have little grasp of balance whatsoever.
Yes I have little idea of what weaponry balance looks like............right. Well you keep believeing that. Until you have actually participated in competitive gaming you wont have any clue of what weapon balance looks like. You have our bias and you refuse to listen to anything that would be reasonable. Just because when CCP nerfs something they usually do it too hard doesnt mean that the weapon should remain the same. You apparently think that the MD is so completely dependent on its current AOE that any less will mean it will instantly be the worst gun in the game.....meanwhile many players who have been using MD for several months are noting that the MD is in fact easymode as it currently stands. Incase you havent noticed the people who argue that the MD should remain the same are generally bad at this game. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:21:00 -
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Yokal Bob wrote:they could buff the hmg ;p
but i do agree, ARs are too OP, if your using anything but at over 100m away, you cant beat their accuracy and they still do a sizable amount of damage. up close they can destroy a heavy faster than a hmg can kill them, when the hmg is a cqw, somehow i find this wrong....
Honestly I woudlnt be too surprised to find out that weapons that spew more bullets have greater hit detection problems right now...I notice more hit detection problems with the SMG than with the ASCR. Maybe CCP will fix hit detection. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:35:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:
MD is fine several factors just make it appear OP.
Armor sucks
Grenades need to be rebalanced (flux nades)
Explosives need damage drop off at the edge of it's radius
Does competitive gaming include using the most popular weapon which obviously needs to be rebalanced and "nerfed"? If so count me out.
Your own comment shows u dont pay attention to what ppl write. Its plastered all over that ise the scrambler rifle......unless u are just calling all mag fed rifles in this game an addault rifle.....
The other problem is your assuming ccp will actually do the correct thing regarding and make explosive dropoff. I assume no such thing given their poor game mechanics history. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:42:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:
MD is fine several factors just make it appear OP.
Armor sucks
Grenades need to be rebalanced (flux nades)
Explosives need damage drop off at the edge of it's radius
Does competitive gaming include using the most popular weapon which obviously needs to be rebalanced and "nerfed"? If so count me out.
Your own comment shows u dont pay attention to what ppl write. Its plastered all over that ise the scrambler rifle......unless u are just calling all mag fed rifles in this game an addault rifle..... The other problem is your assuming ccp will actually do the correct thing regarding and make explosive dropoff. I assume no such thing given their poor game mechanics history. I have no idea what you're talking about with your first sentence, please clean it up so it isn't nonsense.
Sorry for typos as typing on ipad sucks....that said unless your a complete idiot its still obvious what was being said. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:44:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:Ahhh so you use a Scrambler RIfle. I have heard other people say that the Scrambler Rifle is OP so many times. I have also heard you complain that it only does 80% damage to armor.
I think I should now complain that my AV grenades should do damage to dropsuits if I hit them in the head. I mean it is made of metal LOL
I have never complained about the 80% dmg to armor........so yea |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:53:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:
Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?
AR has no recoil
AR has more accuracy
AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor
AScR has massive recoil
AScR has less range
Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor
Well thats wrong.
AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. The scrambler has more accuracy, more dmg, faster reload, more rounds per mag, similar rof, similar range ( can a couple meters really make that big of a difference?? Scr range was buffed already to they are almost identical now), 80% dmg to armor is only 2 dmg less than the ARs dmg to armor but it does like 7 more dmg to shields per round than the AR. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:56:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:multiple pages of arguments, i scanned through but I did not check em all, the AR causes so many people headaches its unbelievable, the whining needs to stop!
where does it end? we need intelligent feedback on weapons to determine how they should be fixed not a bunch of arguments because people don't like dying to a weapon...
there is only one major flaw with the AR
its not the range...
its not the dps....
its the clip capacity and overall ammo count
60 is too much , half would still leave you with the potential of dealing 1000 hp in a clip
If you did this then the reload would need to be cut in half at least because if its not then you literally could not kill a heavy with a single mag right now it already takes most of a mag to take out a heavy due to bad hit detection and bullet deviation. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:58:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:
Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?
AR has no recoil
AR has more accuracy
AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor
AScR has massive recoil
AScR has less range
Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Well thats wrong. AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. The scrambler has more accuracy, more dmg, faster reload, more rounds per mag, similar rof, similar range ( can a couple meters really make that big of a difference?? Scr range was buffed already to they are almost identical now), 80% dmg to armor is only 2 dmg less than the ARs dmg to armor but it does like 7 more dmg to shields per round than the AR. "AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. " Are you ******* serious? Get the hell out.
Apparently your not familiar with all of the weapons if you dont see this fact.
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:07:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:
Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?
AR has no recoil
AR has more accuracy
AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor
AScR has massive recoil
AScR has less range
Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Well thats wrong. AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. The scrambler has more accuracy, more dmg, faster reload, more rounds per mag, similar rof, similar range ( can a couple meters really make that big of a difference?? Scr range was buffed already to they are almost identical now), 80% dmg to armor is only 2 dmg less than the ARs dmg to armor but it does like 7 more dmg to shields per round than the AR. I completely agree with everything that you said. I am not the one posting that the AR has no recoil...etc. That was Bittersteel the Bastard who posted that on the first page at the bottom... The AR has no recoil when compared to anything else.
Lets see here.
MD no recoil
Laser no recoil
Scr extremely minor recoil
Ascr extremely minor recoil
Hmg has recoil buy only recoil is a slight upward movement easily adjusted for
Forge gun no recoil.
Shotgun small recoil
Scr pistol small recoil
Flaylock sall if any recoil
Smg recoil is similar to AR
Sniper rifle high recoil
AR moderate amount of recoil
So yes of the weapons AR has some of the strongest recoil as its not just up its also side to side.
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:08:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:
Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?
AR has no recoil
AR has more accuracy
AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor
AScR has massive recoil
AScR has less range
Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Didn't complain just talking about how the AScR is not better than the AR since semperfi brought that up before. So you pointed out all of the negative things about the AScR in your view but FAILED to point out all of the positive things about the AScR has over the AR Yes that's how you make an argument. I'm glad you understand because you realize you've been doing the same thing?
Actually its how u make a strawman argument....... |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:15:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Go fire a duvalle AR and then come back to me. I've fired a Gek before. Have you even touched an AScR? Unless you can't read...go fire a DUVALLE *Duvolle You must not have used one yourself to have incorrectly spelled it twice. I've fired a GEK have you fired a CDR-9?
Yup i have....all the time......and it has less recoil than the ar....
You ever shot the ascr against a wall and let off the aiming stick to see what happens?? You should it pretty much doesnt move. |
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Posted - 2013.08.31 03:29:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead.
I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK
Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available)
Grenade: Lai Dai AV
So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off.
But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage. You can try and defend it all you want, but once the Nerf train starts...It doesn't stop for anyone  I will gladly wait for the day that will never come Seems like the same thing the flaylocks, HMG (Chromosome) Viziam and a number of other things said. Not to mention the things that didn't deserve a nerf. But...I'm archiving your post, so I can make it a topic when that day DOES come. Yet its funny how the AR, GEK, and Duvolle haven't been nerfed since this game started.... While every other weapon has...just a thought
So u have not played this game in beta i guess......because the AR has actually rcved several nerfs. Some were deserved while others were questioned but ccp of course never responded to any of those questions. |
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