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Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders 734	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:29:00 - [61] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead. I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available) Grenade: Lai Dai AV So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off. But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage. Wait the AR isn't OP just because you equipped it to a logi suit? lolwut Also I am not putting a real life weapon into the game and making it worse. If you don't realize there are no real life Blaster Rifles. I'm going off the lore that says blasters have less range than laser based weaponry. If you didn't realize, the gun is called an assault rifle, not a blaster rifle... You were the one calling it OP on this thread first...not me. I don't think its OP at all. Please tell with FACTS, what makes it OP? Have you even read this damn thread? Go back and check my posts. Also it's called an AR but it's not a traditional AR. Get that through your thick head. If you haven't realized, we aren't played a modern day shooter, or a WW II shooter, we are playing a sci-fi shooter taking place in the EVE universe where the "AR" uses blaster tech that has less range than other tech. Lol Umm okay...take away the range LOL The amount of kills that I get in longer range/short range is about 5%/95% Ouch...I don't think you wanted to hear that :( Comprimise! Everyone's happy!
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 6	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:34:00 - [62] - Quote Right again...95% of my kills are in close range...which means I will be using hipfire. Sooooo...close range means that they are nearly right next to me. The chances of me hitting them are very high because they are in CLOSE range.... Do you see? Close range means that if the gun has recoil or not...all of the bullets will still hit as long as the perso
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 803	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:35:00 - [63] - Quote Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: MD is fine several factors just make it appear OP. Armor sucks Grenades need to be rebalanced (flux nades) Explosives need damage drop off at the edge of it's radius Does competitive gaming include using the most popular weapon which obviously needs to be rebalanced and "nerfed"? If so count me out. Your own comment shows u dont pay attention to what ppl write. Its plastered all over that ise the scrambler rifle......unless u are just calling all mag fed rifles in this game an addault rifle..... The other problem is your assuming ccp will actually do the correct thing regarding and make explosive dropoff. I assume no such thing given their poor game mechanics history.
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 457	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:36:00 - [64] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Right again...95% of my kills are in close range...which means I will be using hipfire. Sooooo...close range means that they are nearly right next to me. The chances of me hitting them are very high because they are in CLOSE range.... Do you see? Close range means that if the gun has recoil or not...all of the bullets will still hit as long as the perso Your idiocy knows no bounds. Your argument doesn't make any sense. Just because recoil doesn't affect you when you're shooting someone point blank then there is no reason in putting it in at all? And BTW recoil does really affect close range. Try using an AScR.
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 457	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:37:00 - [65] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: MD is fine several factors just make it appear OP. Armor sucks Grenades need to be rebalanced (flux nades) Explosives need damage drop off at the edge of it's radius Does competitive gaming include using the most popular weapon which obviously needs to be rebalanced and "nerfed"? If so count me out. Your own comment shows u dont pay attention to what ppl write. Its plastered all over that ise the scrambler rifle......unless u are just calling all mag fed rifles in this game an addault rifle..... The other problem is your assuming ccp will actually do the correct thing regarding and make explosive dropoff. I assume no such thing given their poor game mechanics history. I have no idea what you're talking about with your first sentence, please clean it up so it isn't nonsense.
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 6	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:40:00 - [66] - Quote Ahhh so you use a Scrambler RIfle. I have heard other people say that the Scrambler Rifle is OP so many times. I have also heard you complain that it only does 80% damage to armor. I think I should now complain that my AV grenades should do damage to dropsuits if I hit them in the head. I mean it is made of metal LOL
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 804	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:42:00 - [67] - Quote Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: MD is fine several factors just make it appear OP. Armor sucks Grenades need to be rebalanced (flux nades) Explosives need damage drop off at the edge of it's radius Does competitive gaming include using the most popular weapon which obviously needs to be rebalanced and "nerfed"? If so count me out. Your own comment shows u dont pay attention to what ppl write. Its plastered all over that ise the scrambler rifle......unless u are just calling all mag fed rifles in this game an addault rifle..... The other problem is your assuming ccp will actually do the correct thing regarding and make explosive dropoff. I assume no such thing given their poor game mechanics history. I have no idea what you're talking about with your first sentence, please clean it up so it isn't nonsense. Sorry for typos as typing on ipad sucks....that said unless your a complete idiot its still obvious what was being said.
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 804	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:44:00 - [68] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Ahhh so you use a Scrambler RIfle. I have heard other people say that the Scrambler Rifle is OP so many times. I have also heard you complain that it only does 80% damage to armor. I think I should now complain that my AV grenades should do damage to dropsuits if I hit them in the head. I mean it is made of metal LOL I have never complained about the 80% dmg to armor........so yea
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 6	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:45:00 - [69] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 5	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:49:00 - [70] - Quote multiple pages of arguments, i scanned through but I did not check em all, the AR causes so many people headaches its unbelievable, the whining needs to stop! where does it end? we need intelligent feedback on weapons to determine how they should be fixed not a bunch of arguments because people don't like dying to a weapon... there is only one major flaw with the AR its not the range... its not the dps.... its the clip capacity and overall ammo count 60 is too much , half would still leave you with the potential of dealing 1000 hp in a clip

semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 805	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:53:00 - [71] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Well thats wrong. AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. The scrambler has more accuracy, more dmg, faster reload, more rounds per mag, similar rof, similar range ( can a couple meters really make that big of a difference?? Scr range was buffed already to they are almost identical now), 80% dmg to armor is only 2 dmg less than the ARs dmg to armor but it does like 7 more dmg to shields per round than the AR.
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 458	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:54:00 - [72] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Didn't complain just talking about how the AScR is not better than the AR since semperfi brought that up before.
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 973	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:55:00 - [73] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Nerf the AR, I will go full time MD. Nerf the MD, I will go full time AR. Nerf them both, I will go full time FG. Nerf that, I won't need a weapon cause there will be nobody around left to kill:D Ha Ha ! I know right ? They nerf they AR i will use the SCR, nerf that i'll use the sniper rifle.. nerf that.. then i'll use the MD.. after that the HMG, FG, shotgun, HMG, Plasma Cannon, tanks ....... you get the idea.... Maybe CCP should start nerfing OP players .... ohh... wait... they already doing that.
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 458	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:55:00 - [74] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Well thats wrong. AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. The scrambler has more accuracy, more dmg, faster reload, more rounds per mag, similar rof, similar range ( can a couple meters really make that big of a difference?? Scr range was buffed already to they are almost identical now), 80% dmg to armor is only 2 dmg less than the ARs dmg to armor but it does like 7 more dmg to shields per round than the AR. "AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. " Are you ******* serious? Get the hell out.
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 6	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:56:00 - [75] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Well thats wrong. AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. The scrambler has more accuracy, more dmg, faster reload, more rounds per mag, similar rof, similar range ( can a couple meters really make that big of a difference?? Scr range was buffed already to they are almost identical now), 80% dmg to armor is only 2 dmg less than the ARs dmg to armor but it does like 7 more dmg to shields per round than the AR. I completely agree with everything that you said. I am not the one posting that the AR has no recoil...etc. That was Bittersteel the Bastard who posted that on the first page at the bottom...
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 805	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:56:00 - [76] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: multiple pages of arguments, i scanned through but I did not check em all, the AR causes so many people headaches its unbelievable, the whining needs to stop! where does it end? we need intelligent feedback on weapons to determine how they should be fixed not a bunch of arguments because people don't like dying to a weapon... there is only one major flaw with the AR its not the range... its not the dps.... its the clip capacity and overall ammo count 60 is too much , half would still leave you with the potential of dealing 1000 hp in a clip If you did this then the reload would need to be cut in half at least because if its not then you literally could not kill a heavy with a single mag right now it already takes most of a mag to take out a heavy due to bad hit detection and bullet deviation.
Starfire Revo G I A N T EoN. 100	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:57:00 - [77] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: The AR is THE classic weapon in all first person shooter games. Just stepping in here to point out that this isn't true all of FPS. Most FPS, sure, but not all.
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 6	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:58:00 - [78] - Quote Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Didn't complain just talking about how the AScR is not better than the AR since semperfi brought that up before. So you pointed out all of the negative things about the AScR in your view but FAILED to point out all of the positive things about the AScR has over the AR
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 458	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:58:00 - [79] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Well thats wrong. AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. The scrambler has more accuracy, more dmg, faster reload, more rounds per mag, similar rof, similar range ( can a couple meters really make that big of a difference?? Scr range was buffed already to they are almost identical now), 80% dmg to armor is only 2 dmg less than the ARs dmg to armor but it does like 7 more dmg to shields per round than the AR. I completely agree with everything that you said. I am not the one posting that the AR has no recoil...etc. That was Bittersteel the Bastard who posted that on the first page at the bottom... The AR has no recoil when compared to anything else.
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 805	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:58:00 - [80] - Quote Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Well thats wrong. AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. The scrambler has more accuracy, more dmg, faster reload, more rounds per mag, similar rof, similar range ( can a couple meters really make that big of a difference?? Scr range was buffed already to they are almost identical now), 80% dmg to armor is only 2 dmg less than the ARs dmg to armor but it does like 7 more dmg to shields per round than the AR. "AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. " Are you ******* serious? Get the hell out. Apparently your not familiar with all of the weapons if you dont see this fact.

Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 458	Posted - 2013.08.30 21:59:00 - [81] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Didn't complain just talking about how the AScR is not better than the AR since semperfi brought that up before. So you pointed out all of the negative things about the AScR in your view but FAILED to point out all of the positive things about the AScR has over the AR Yes that's how you make an argument. I'm glad you understand because you realize you've been doing the same thing?
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 28	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:00:00 - [82] - Quote So......which guns are we allowed to use and not be @ssholes? AR is OP, MD is OP, Swarms have apparently been OP, and apparently people are saying they're getting ready to be even more OPier, Forgegun is OP, Grenades are OP, Sniper Rifle is OP. I think that's all of it. I guess I'm using a Plasma Cannon and a Scrambler Pistol from now on. It's not about how much fun I'm having while playing Dust, it's about what I can do personally to make Dust more fun for everyone else. Seriously though, I've been playing for a month, just broke 3 mil SP a few nights ago. I have my AR Operation at 5, AR Sharpshooter at 2, AR clip size at 2, and AR proficiency at 1, I run an ADV Breach, and I can't damage ** lol. I bought 100 Duvolles a week or 2 ago and have only used 2. With my current skills, the Duvolle is no scarier than the GEK or Breach (and i'm also running a Light Weapon DMG Mod). I don't run the Duvolle currently because other than my ADV Min Assault Suit, ADV Shield Extenders, and ADV Light Weapon DMG Mod, all my other stuff is STD and running with a Duvolle is stupid because i'm still way to squishy to be risking that kind of ISK for almost no benefit. That being said, whenever I do end up maxing out all my skills in the AR tree yeah, I will be powerful as hell with the AR, but not because of the AR. Unless you literally JUST got out of the Academy, when someone runs up on you and kills you in 1-2 seconds with a Militia AR, the last thing you should think is "oh, that damn Militia AR is too strong". Dude, go equip a Militia AR (I know most everyone has probably used it for at least one clones worth of fighting at some point in their Dust career) and try it out. If you're not skilled into it much/at all it won't be OP for you. I have personally only used the MIL AR, ADV GEK, ADV Breach, and Duvolle, so i'm not at all knowledgeable on the other variants. Now I don't know, but I would imagine any weapon in Dust would be pretty *** strong if you got its Proficiency up to level 5. To touch on the issue of balance real quick, I personally feel people need to lay off CCP and their attempts to balance the game, at least a bit. Look at the type of game we are playing. For example, CCP creates and balances the MD right? Now what happens when a single MD runs into say a single AR? What happens when a single MD runs into 2 ARs and a Flaylock? What happens when 3 MDs run into an SMG and a HMG? And what happens when you're playing the Skim Junction Skirmish Map and there is 8 MDs with 3 Dropships and 3 LAVs constantly circling the city, with random assaults, heavies, and logis mixed in? Now factor in the different levels of gear and skills that everyone in this imaginary match is using. My point is this is a tough game to balance, no matter what anyone says, and at some point we are all going to have to suck it the up and accept a build if Dust is ever going to progress. I'm not saying anything is OP or UP, I've personally tried to not pay any attention to that. I will say this AR stuff is being blown way out of proportion. If your problem is simply that so many people use the AR, well tough *****, i'll be god damned if someone is going to tell me what weapon I should be using/should enjoy using. If you feel the AR is OP, I don't know, it seems the jury is still out on that, and I won't comment. DISCLAIMER: Please do not mistake my 2 cents for anything more than what it is.
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 6	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:00:00 - [83] - Quote Go fire a duvalle AR and then come back to me.
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 458	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:02:00 - [84] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Go fire a duvalle AR and then come back to me. I've fired a Gek before. Have you even touched an AScR?
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 6	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:06:00 - [85] - Quote Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Didn't complain just talking about how the AScR is not better than the AR since semperfi brought that up before. So you pointed out all of the negative things about the AScR in your view but FAILED to point out all of the positive things about the AScR has over the AR Yes that's how you make an argument. I'm glad you understand because you realize you've been doing the same thing? You do realize that you make an argument by fully comparing in their entirety. For instance: the first item could be WAY better in one field than the other. This could be very evident. BUT, the second item could be WAY better in another field that makes it WAY better. Those two items are balanced. By not fully comparing the two items in its entirety is a BAD argument...which you have clearly done and agreed to doing.
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 6	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:07:00 - [86] - Quote Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: Go fire a duvalle AR and then come back to me. I've fired a Gek before. Have you even touched an AScR? Unless you can't read...go fire a DUVALLE
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 458	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:07:00 - [87] - Quote Honestly the fact that your biased argument that my argument is biased while not even seeing your own bias is hilarious.
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 805	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:07:00 - [88] - Quote Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Well thats wrong. AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. The scrambler has more accuracy, more dmg, faster reload, more rounds per mag, similar rof, similar range ( can a couple meters really make that big of a difference?? Scr range was buffed already to they are almost identical now), 80% dmg to armor is only 2 dmg less than the ARs dmg to armor but it does like 7 more dmg to shields per round than the AR. I completely agree with everything that you said. I am not the one posting that the AR has no recoil...etc. That was Bittersteel the Bastard who posted that on the first page at the bottom... The AR has no recoil when compared to anything else. Lets see here. MD no recoil Laser no recoil Scr extremely minor recoil Ascr extremely minor recoil Hmg has recoil buy only recoil is a slight upward movement easily adjusted for Forge gun no recoil. Shotgun small recoil Scr pistol small recoil Flaylock sall if any recoil Smg recoil is similar to AR Sniper rifle high recoil AR moderate amount of recoil So yes of the weapons AR has some of the strongest recoil as its not just up its also side to side.
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 458	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:08:00 - [89] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: Go fire a duvalle AR and then come back to me. I've fired a Gek before. Have you even touched an AScR? Unless you can't read...go fire a DUVALLE *Duvolle You must not have used one yourself to have incorrectly spelled it twice. I've fired a GEK have you fired a CDR-9?
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 805	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:08:00 - [90] - Quote Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Didn't complain just talking about how the AScR is not better than the AR since semperfi brought that up before. So you pointed out all of the negative things about the AScR in your view but FAILED to point out all of the positive things about the AScR has over the AR Yes that's how you make an argument. I'm glad you understand because you realize you've been doing the same thing? Actually its how u make a strawman argument.......



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