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Jimbo1337
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:25:00 -
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Does everyone realize that the whole game is balanced around the AR? The AR is THE classic weapon in all first person shooter games. If you rebalance those guns, then you have to rebalance every gun...
Of course there are many people using the AR. For me, its what I am used to in every FPS that I play. The same goes for many people in this game... |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:36:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Does everyone realize that the whole game is balanced around the AR? The AR is THE classic weapon in all first person shooter games. If you rebalance those guns, then you have to rebalance every gun...
Of course there are many people using the AR. For me, its what I am used to in every FPS that I play. The same goes for many people in this game... No you don't need to rebalance every other gun. This is an idiotic argument. Everything should not be balanced against the AR anyways. It shouldn't even be called an AR tbh. It should be the Blaster Rifle or something along those lines and have much less range than laser based weaponry.
You think that is an idiotic argument yet you fail to realize that the entire game has been balanced accordingly with the AR from the beginning. Tell me one instance where they nerfed the AR, GEK, or Duvalle. They haven't...
Now think of every weapon in this game and think of the nerf that it has received. See my idiotic point now? |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:43:00 -
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Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:Jimbo appears to be correct. Everything has been nerfed to cater to the AR.
Its because there is absolutely nothing wrong with the AR... |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:03:00 -
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Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:Jimbo appears to be correct. Everything has been nerfed to cater to the AR. Its because there is absolutely nothing wrong with the AR... Except...The fact that it's THE useful gun in DUST 514. MD's time is almost up, then you AR users will reign supreme once again. Congratulations, who knows, one day this may force everyone else out of the game. Then all you AR's will have it all to yourself.
Its funny how everyone was praising the day when they no longer died from the TAC AR. They were all saying things that they got more kills in a match and received less deaths.
As I said before, the AR, GEK, and Duvalle have never been touched since the beginning. But NOW, all of a sudden, the AR needs to get a nerf. Are you serious? Why weren't people complaining about those guns when the game came out? Or why weren't they complaining about those guns when the TAC AR was OP? Or how about immediately after they nerfed the TAC AR?
Because there was absolutely no problem with them at all. Don't you see? Everyone in this forum is complaining about a gun that has been here since the beginning. It has now only received attention...because of what?...the laser rifle is no longer OP? Because the flaylock is no longer OP?
You see a lot of people use that weapon because they are used to using that sort of weapon. To ask for a range nerf is absolutely the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Take a real life weapon and make it worse in a video game. That is pure logic *sarcasm* |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:07:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:Jimbo appears to be correct. Everything has been nerfed to cater to the AR. Its because there is absolutely nothing wrong with the AR... And this is why your point is idiotic.
My point is idiotic because you don't agree with my opinion. My point and opinion are two different things...just to be clear lol
Its funny how someone else AGREED with my previous point that you somehow failed to skip over and comment on.... |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:12:00 -
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I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead.
I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK
Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available)
Grenade: Lai Dai AV
So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off.
But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:21:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead.
I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK
Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available)
Grenade: Lai Dai AV
So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off.
But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage. Wait the AR isn't OP just because you equipped it to a logi suit? lolwut Also I am not putting a real life weapon into the game and making it worse. If you don't realize there are no real life Blaster Rifles. I'm going off the lore that says blasters have less range than laser based weaponry.
If you didn't realize, the gun is called an assault rifle, not a blaster rifle...
You were the one calling it OP on this thread first...not me. I don't think its OP at all.
Please tell with FACTS, what makes it OP? |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:28:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead.
I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK
Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available)
Grenade: Lai Dai AV
So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off.
But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage. Wait the AR isn't OP just because you equipped it to a logi suit? lolwut Also I am not putting a real life weapon into the game and making it worse. If you don't realize there are no real life Blaster Rifles. I'm going off the lore that says blasters have less range than laser based weaponry. If you didn't realize, the gun is called an assault rifle, not a blaster rifle... You were the one calling it OP on this thread first...not me. I don't think its OP at all. Please tell with FACTS, what makes it OP? Have you even read this damn thread? Go back and check my posts. Also it's called an AR but it's not a traditional AR. Get that through your thick head. If you haven't realized, we aren't played a modern day shooter, or a WW II shooter, we are playing a sci-fi shooter taking place in the EVE universe where the "AR" uses blaster tech that has less range than other tech.
Lol
Umm okay...take away the range LOL
The amount of kills that I get in longer range/short range is about 5%/95%
Ouch...I don't think you wanted to hear that :( |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:34:00 -
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Right again...95% of my kills are in close range...which means I will be using hipfire. Sooooo...close range means that they are nearly right next to me. The chances of me hitting them are very high because they are in CLOSE range....
Do you see? Close range means that if the gun has recoil or not...all of the bullets will still hit as long as the perso |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:40:00 -
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Ahhh so you use a Scrambler RIfle. I have heard other people say that the Scrambler Rifle is OP so many times. I have also heard you complain that it only does 80% damage to armor.
I think I should now complain that my AV grenades should do damage to dropsuits if I hit them in the head. I mean it is made of metal LOL
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:45:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:
Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?
AR has no recoil
AR has more accuracy
AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor
AScR has massive recoil
AScR has less range
Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:56:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:
Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?
AR has no recoil
AR has more accuracy
AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor
AScR has massive recoil
AScR has less range
Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Well thats wrong. AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. The scrambler has more accuracy, more dmg, faster reload, more rounds per mag, similar rof, similar range ( can a couple meters really make that big of a difference?? Scr range was buffed already to they are almost identical now), 80% dmg to armor is only 2 dmg less than the ARs dmg to armor but it does like 7 more dmg to shields per round than the AR.
I completely agree with everything that you said. I am not the one posting that the AR has no recoil...etc.
That was Bittersteel the Bastard who posted that on the first page at the bottom... |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:58:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:
Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?
AR has no recoil
AR has more accuracy
AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor
AScR has massive recoil
AScR has less range
Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Didn't complain just talking about how the AScR is not better than the AR since semperfi brought that up before.
So you pointed out all of the negative things about the AScR in your view but FAILED to point out all of the positive things about the AScR has over the AR |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:00:00 -
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Go fire a duvalle AR and then come back to me. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:06:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:
Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?
AR has no recoil
AR has more accuracy
AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor
AScR has massive recoil
AScR has less range
Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Didn't complain just talking about how the AScR is not better than the AR since semperfi brought that up before. So you pointed out all of the negative things about the AScR in your view but FAILED to point out all of the positive things about the AScR has over the AR Yes that's how you make an argument. I'm glad you understand because you realize you've been doing the same thing?
You do realize that you make an argument by fully comparing in their entirety. For instance: the first item could be WAY better in one field than the other. This could be very evident. BUT, the second item could be WAY better in another field that makes it WAY better. Those two items are balanced.
By not fully comparing the two items in its entirety is a BAD argument...which you have clearly done and agreed to doing.
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:07:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Go fire a duvalle AR and then come back to me. I've fired a Gek before. Have you even touched an AScR?
Unless you can't read...go fire a DUVALLE
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:11:00 -
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So you can one shot people in the head with a scrambler rifle in a heavy shielded tanking game and you are the one complaining? You? Because I don't see anyone else here on this forum... |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:20:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:So you can one shot people in the head with a scrambler rifle in a heavy shielded tanking game and you are the one complaining? You? Because I don't see anyone else here on this forum... Wait are you complaining because a weapon which is 120% effective against shields can one shot a shield tanker? Do you also realize you need to charge it, it has overheat, and that most charge shots do not register unless you are standing utterly still. Do you also realize we've been talking about the Assault Scrambler Rifle, which cannot one-shot kill anything.
If you read my post, I am not complaining one bit. I am just merely pointing out the positives of your weapon that you FAILED to post. You FAILED to post that most people shield tank. You FAILED to post that you can choose a weapon that can charge up and kill someone with one hit. But no...you would rather comment of how this is ME complaining. Let me tell you sir...I am not complaining one bit about any of this. I embrace all of that because it is part of the game.
You chose to use the Assault scrambler rifle when you CLEARLY could CHOOSE the Scrambler Rifle. But here you are saying that the assault scrambler rifle is UP. Then choose the Scrambler Rifle for gods sake. Its not like you wasted any SP.
So I say that YOU are the one complaining here. "You realize that you have to charge it"...then DON"T CHARGE IT! The AR doesn't have this option....THEN DONT USE IT IF YOU SUCK AT USING IT.
If you have to hit someone with it by them "standing utterly still", then you must suck... |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:22:00 -
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Not worth your time or are you realizing that you are wrong and are now leaving because you have no FACTS to back up your BS |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:25:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:So you can one shot people in the head with a scrambler rifle in a heavy shielded tanking game and you are the one complaining? You? Because I don't see anyone else here on this forum... Wait are you complaining because a weapon which is 120% effective against shields can one shot a shield tanker? Do you also realize you need to charge it, it has overheat, and that most charge shots do not register unless you are standing utterly still. Do you also realize we've been talking about the Assault Scrambler Rifle, which cannot one-shot kill anything. If you read my post, I am not complaining one bit. I am just merely pointing out the positives of your weapon that you FAILED to post. You FAILED to post that most people shield tank. You FAILED to post that you can choose a weapon that can charge up and kill someone with one hit. But no...you would rather comment of how this is ME complaining. Let me tell you sir...I am not complaining one bit about any of this. I embrace all of that because it is part of the game. You chose to use the Assault scrambler rifle when you CLEARLY could CHOOSE the Scrambler Rifle. But here you are saying that the assault scrambler rifle is UP. Then choose the Scrambler Rifle for gods sake. Its not like you wasted any SP. So I say that YOU are the one complaining here. "You realize that you have to charge it"...then DON"T CHARGE IT! The AR doesn't have this option....THEN DONT USE IT IF YOU SUCK AT USING IT. If you have to hit someone with it by them "standing utterly still", then you must suck... You have the TAC AR which the Scrambler Rifle is a variant of. And BTW the hit detection issues with a charge shot are present and known a quick search will show you that it isn't just my "gun-game". Plus it's pretty obvious this rant of yours is just one big long complaint. Oh and quit instigating because you have nothing else to do and fighting with someone gave you a sense of human contact. Bye.
Please underline the section of my post that is a complaint...I will wait
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:30:00 -
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Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead.
I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK
Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available)
Grenade: Lai Dai AV
So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off.
But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage. You can try and defend it all you want, but once the Nerf train starts...It doesn't stop for anyone 
I will gladly wait for the day that will never come |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 23:16:00 -
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Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead.
I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK
Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available)
Grenade: Lai Dai AV
So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off.
But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage. You can try and defend it all you want, but once the Nerf train starts...It doesn't stop for anyone I will gladly wait for the day that will never come Seems like the same thing the flaylocks, HMG (Chromosome) Viziam and a number of other things said. Not to mention the things that didn't deserve a nerf. But...I'm archiving your post, so I can make it a topic when that day DOES come.
Yet its funny how the AR, GEK, and Duvolle haven't been nerfed since this game started....
While every other weapon has...just a thought |
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