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Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 6	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:11:00 - [91] - Quote So you can one shot people in the head with a scrambler rifle in a heavy shielded tanking game and you are the one complaining? You? Because I don't see anyone else here on this forum...
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 12	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:13:00 - [92] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: inb4 lock for heresy against Duvolle. ps 20-2? What about 50+ and 2? Oh you are not ******* serious. I had to watch it to be sure... I mean, Jungian is a beast no one can argue that, but yeah. LOL on that guy I heard durring the CPM open house that freaked out about a guy almost getting 30 kills with an MD. Only 30? Try 50/1. I was in a game of domination and this guy got 50/1 with his MD. And he was assaulting at mid to close range. Then he messages me a "gg". Lol. Because I died trying to outgun him with my forge gun. Silly me.
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 458	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:13:00 - [93] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: So you can one shot people in the head with a scrambler rifle in a heavy shielded tanking game and you are the one complaining? You? Because I don't see anyone else here on this forum... Wait are you complaining because a weapon which is 120% effective against shields can one shot a shield tanker? Do you also realize you need to charge it, it has overheat, and that most charge shots do not register unless you are standing utterly still. Do you also realize we've been talking about the Assault Scrambler Rifle, which cannot one-shot kill anything.
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 805	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:15:00 - [94] - Quote Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: Go fire a duvalle AR and then come back to me. I've fired a Gek before. Have you even touched an AScR? Unless you can't read...go fire a DUVALLE *Duvolle You must not have used one yourself to have incorrectly spelled it twice. I've fired a GEK have you fired a CDR-9? Yup i have....all the time......and it has less recoil than the ar.... You ever shot the ascr against a wall and let off the aiming stick to see what happens?? You should it pretty much doesnt move.
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 458	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:17:00 - [95] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: Go fire a duvalle AR and then come back to me. I've fired a Gek before. Have you even touched an AScR? Unless you can't read...go fire a DUVALLE *Duvolle You must not have used one yourself to have incorrectly spelled it twice. I've fired a GEK have you fired a CDR-9? Yup i have....all the time......and it has less recoil than the ar.... You ever shot the ascr against a wall and let off the aiming stick to see what happens?? You should it pretty much doesnt move. This is honestly not worth my time, because you are both blind and an utter idiot.
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 6	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:20:00 - [96] - Quote Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: So you can one shot people in the head with a scrambler rifle in a heavy shielded tanking game and you are the one complaining? You? Because I don't see anyone else here on this forum... Wait are you complaining because a weapon which is 120% effective against shields can one shot a shield tanker? Do you also realize you need to charge it, it has overheat, and that most charge shots do not register unless you are standing utterly still. Do you also realize we've been talking about the Assault Scrambler Rifle, which cannot one-shot kill anything. If you read my post, I am not complaining one bit. I am just merely pointing out the positives of your weapon that you FAILED to post. You FAILED to post that most people shield tank. You FAILED to post that you can choose a weapon that can charge up and kill someone with one hit. But no...you would rather comment of how this is ME complaining. Let me tell you sir...I am not complaining one bit about any of this. I embrace all of that because it is part of the game. You chose to use the Assault scrambler rifle when you CLEARLY could CHOOSE the Scrambler Rifle. But here you are saying that the assault scrambler rifle is UP. Then choose the Scrambler Rifle for gods sake. Its not like you wasted any SP. So I say that YOU are the one complaining here. "You realize that you have to charge it"...then DON"T CHARGE IT! The AR doesn't have this option....THEN DONT USE IT IF YOU SUCK AT USING IT. If you have to hit someone with it by them "standing utterly still", then you must suck...
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 6	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:22:00 - [97] - Quote Not worth your time or are you realizing that you are wrong and are now leaving because you have no FACTS to back up your BS
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 458	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:23:00 - [98] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: So you can one shot people in the head with a scrambler rifle in a heavy shielded tanking game and you are the one complaining? You? Because I don't see anyone else here on this forum... Wait are you complaining because a weapon which is 120% effective against shields can one shot a shield tanker? Do you also realize you need to charge it, it has overheat, and that most charge shots do not register unless you are standing utterly still. Do you also realize we've been talking about the Assault Scrambler Rifle, which cannot one-shot kill anything. If you read my post, I am not complaining one bit. I am just merely pointing out the positives of your weapon that you FAILED to post. You FAILED to post that most people shield tank. You FAILED to post that you can choose a weapon that can charge up and kill someone with one hit. But no...you would rather comment of how this is ME complaining. Let me tell you sir...I am not complaining one bit about any of this. I embrace all of that because it is part of the game. You chose to use the Assault scrambler rifle when you CLEARLY could CHOOSE the Scrambler Rifle. But here you are saying that the assault scrambler rifle is UP. Then choose the Scrambler Rifle for gods sake. Its not like you wasted any SP. So I say that YOU are the one complaining here. "You realize that you have to charge it"...then DON"T CHARGE IT! The AR doesn't have this option....THEN DONT USE IT IF YOU SUCK AT USING IT. If you have to hit someone with it by them "standing utterly still", then you must suck... You have the TAC AR which the Scrambler Rifle is a variant of. And BTW the hit detection issues with a charge shot are present and known a quick search will show you that it isn't just my "gun-game". Plus it's pretty obvious this rant of yours is just one big long complaint. Oh and quit instigating because you have nothing else to do and fighting with someone gave you a sense of human contact. Bye.
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 6	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:25:00 - [99] - Quote Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: So you can one shot people in the head with a scrambler rifle in a heavy shielded tanking game and you are the one complaining? You? Because I don't see anyone else here on this forum... Wait are you complaining because a weapon which is 120% effective against shields can one shot a shield tanker? Do you also realize you need to charge it, it has overheat, and that most charge shots do not register unless you are standing utterly still. Do you also realize we've been talking about the Assault Scrambler Rifle, which cannot one-shot kill anything. If you read my post, I am not complaining one bit. I am just merely pointing out the positives of your weapon that you FAILED to post. You FAILED to post that most people shield tank. You FAILED to post that you can choose a weapon that can charge up and kill someone with one hit. But no...you would rather comment of how this is ME complaining. Let me tell you sir...I am not complaining one bit about any of this. I embrace all of that because it is part of the game. You chose to use the Assault scrambler rifle when you CLEARLY could CHOOSE the Scrambler Rifle. But here you are saying that the assault scrambler rifle is UP. Then choose the Scrambler Rifle for gods sake. Its not like you wasted any SP. So I say that YOU are the one complaining here. "You realize that you have to charge it"...then DON"T CHARGE IT! The AR doesn't have this option....THEN DONT USE IT IF YOU SUCK AT USING IT. If you have to hit someone with it by them "standing utterly still", then you must suck... You have the TAC AR which the Scrambler Rifle is a variant of. And BTW the hit detection issues with a charge shot are present and known a quick search will show you that it isn't just my "gun-game". Plus it's pretty obvious this rant of yours is just one big long complaint. Oh and quit instigating because you have nothing else to do and fighting with someone gave you a sense of human contact. Bye. Please underline the section of my post that is a complaint...I will wait
Raymundo Kagestad V Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:27:00 - [100] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead. I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available) Grenade: Lai Dai AV So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off. But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage. You can try and defend it all you want, but once the Nerf train starts...It doesn't stop for anyone

Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 459	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:29:00 - [101] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Please underline the section of my post that is a complaint...I will wait done
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 6	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:30:00 - [102] - Quote Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead. I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available) Grenade: Lai Dai AV So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off. But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage. You can try and defend it all you want, but once the Nerf train starts...It doesn't stop for anyone I will gladly wait for the day that will never come
Raymundo Kagestad V Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2013.08.30 22:35:00 - [103] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead. I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available) Grenade: Lai Dai AV So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off. But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage. You can try and defend it all you want, but once the Nerf train starts...It doesn't stop for anyone I will gladly wait for the day that will never come Seems like the same thing the flaylocks, HMG (Chromosome) Viziam and a number of other things said. Not to mention the things that didn't deserve a nerf. But...I'm archiving your post, so I can make it a topic when that day DOES come.
Jimbo1337 Pure Innocence. EoN. 6	Posted - 2013.08.30 23:16:00 - [104] - Quote Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead. I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available) Grenade: Lai Dai AV So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off. But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage. You can try and defend it all you want, but once the Nerf train starts...It doesn't stop for anyone I will gladly wait for the day that will never come Seems like the same thing the flaylocks, HMG (Chromosome) Viziam and a number of other things said. Not to mention the things that didn't deserve a nerf. But...I'm archiving your post, so I can make it a topic when that day DOES come. Yet its funny how the AR, GEK, and Duvolle haven't been nerfed since this game started.... While every other weapon has...just a thought
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1893	Posted - 2013.08.30 23:31:00 - [105] - Quote ITT People that are terrible at FPS games whine
NOAMIzzzzz BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 16	Posted - 2013.08.30 23:33:00 - [106] - Quote this thread here is +1 the AR needs something to make it poop like everything else simple.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 227	Posted - 2013.08.30 23:41:00 - [107] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Wait til the combat rifle and gauss gun comes out. to hell with waiting on stuff that should already been relesed CCP needs to geton the ball and getall the racial suits and weapons out already.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 240	Posted - 2013.08.30 23:42:00 - [108] - Quote Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Seriously CCP, this thing is ridiculous, and it's honestly the only thing (Besides the obvious LLAV) that needs a nerf beating. I mean a REAL beating. For all the ammo it has, the damage should be pithy so that people have time to react to it, and it's range is still somewhat unreal, even without the sharpshooter bonus. (I miss you chromosome) This thing looks as if it should work like a miniature HMG, so lets make it like an ACTUAL small HMG. Works the same, but is less effective overall. Like most things you're trying, I feel as if the AR should be a niche weapon, useful only in a designed role, in certain scenarios. It shouldn't be a master of everything, I don't even feel like it should be a jack of all trades. It should possibly be powerful enough to make enemies check to make sure they're ready to take it on (Sufficient ammo and shields to win) but AR's shouldn't be able to go 20-2 in pubs. If someone goes 20-2 In a Pub using only an AR, they are a pretty good player. I've seen people go 27-0 In a blaster tank, shouldn't we nerf that too? After all it's just a large blaster, and the AR is a mini blaster.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3831	Posted - 2013.08.30 23:44:00 - [109] - Quote So we got people who want everything but the AR to be buffed but then we also have people who want everything but the AR to be nerfed. What's it gonna be, bro?
bonkersfox Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 218	Posted - 2013.08.30 23:51:00 - [110] - Quote Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Seriously CCP, this thing is ridiculous, and it's honestly the only thing (Besides the obvious LLAV) that needs a nerf beating. I mean a REAL beating. For all the ammo it has, the damage should be pithy so that people have time to react to it, and it's range is still somewhat unreal, even without the sharpshooter bonus. (I miss you chromosome) This thing looks as if it should work like a miniature HMG, so lets make it like an ACTUAL small HMG. Works the same, but is less effective overall. Like most things you're trying, I feel as if the AR should be a niche weapon, useful only in a designed role, in certain scenarios. It shouldn't be a master of everything, I don't even feel like it should be a jack of all trades. It should possibly be powerful enough to make enemies check to make sure they're ready to take it on (Sufficient ammo and shields to win) but AR's shouldn't be able to go 20-2 in pubs. if the mass driver nerf threads are valid, then so is your and mine and many others, valid point, nothing kills me more than those pesky rifles. while we are on the subject, orbitals are op. 1 killed me today..!

Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 589	Posted - 2013.08.30 23:54:00 - [111] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: inb4 lock for heresy against Duvolle. ps 20-2? What about 50+ and 2? Oh you are not ******* serious. I had to watch it to be sure... I've only seen Sagaris's go that hard :c On further note, +1 to the OP, but the title makes you think it's going to be a parody of the multiple Forge Gun cry threads, so you may want to rename it. As for the AR, you hit the nail SOMEWHAT on the head. A Blaster weapon like the AR should have a shorter range than its contemporaries, shorter than even the HMG if we went full hog into EVE weapon typing. I personally believe the AR is the way it is because it is supposed to be making up for the lack of the other three Rifles, but that theory was shaken when the Scrabler came out but was still weaker than the Tactical AR :c I would really like to see someone nudge the DEVs on the AR discord, if we could just get a single BluePost detailing what the AR is supposed to be for and whether it works asintended, it would do alot to comfort the forums. Then again, they gave us a BluePost (several in fact) about how the Forge works as intended and we all saw how much that changed things... I think it got worse after CCP stated they thought the Forge Gun was in a good place. (it is)
Raymundo Kagestad V Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 78	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:15:00 - [112] - Quote Good idea. We leave the AR alone, and buff everything else to make it 2x as effective as the AR. Everyones happy
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 244	Posted - 2013.08.31 01:57:00 - [113] - Quote Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: For all the ammo it has, the damage should be pithy so that people have time to react to it, and it's range is still somewhat unreal, even without the sharpshooter bonus. (I miss you chromosome) Seriously? Dust has longer TTKs and shorter ranges than any FPS I have ever played, by lightyears. You want it longer time and shorter ranges? We're already playing bloody Swan Lake 514 dancing around wondering if the other guy is going to die before we run out of ammo. Drink some coffee or Red Bull before you play so you're actually awake and notice the tink tink tink.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 365	Posted - 2013.08.31 02:45:00 - [114] - Quote Hilarious that point and shoot ARs consistently go 40+ and people are screaming about the MD barely getting past 20 in some cases.
semperfi1999 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 807	Posted - 2013.08.31 03:29:00 - [115] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead. I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available) Grenade: Lai Dai AV So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off. But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage. You can try and defend it all you want, but once the Nerf train starts...It doesn't stop for anyone I will gladly wait for the day that will never come Seems like the same thing the flaylocks, HMG (Chromosome) Viziam and a number of other things said. Not to mention the things that didn't deserve a nerf. But...I'm archiving your post, so I can make it a topic when that day DOES come. Yet its funny how the AR, GEK, and Duvolle haven't been nerfed since this game started.... While every other weapon has...just a thought So u have not played this game in beta i guess......because the AR has actually rcved several nerfs. Some were deserved while others were questioned but ccp of course never responded to any of those questions.
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 244	Posted - 2013.08.31 04:31:00 - [116] - Quote Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: The range needs a small nerf but it certainly needs more recoil. That thing is freaking laser accurate even in hipfire. FPS weapons are designed not just with relativity to the other weapons but also with relativity to the environment in which they are used. Dust weapons as a whole have functional ranges that are a mere fraction of the distance at which standard engagements begin and I don't mean sniper level ranges I mean barely enough range to shoot from one building to another or up/down a short hill. Should the scrambler rifle be better at range than the AR? Dunno, quite possibly, that's a design philosophy question (not a spastic "but in EVE blasters do it this way" question). If this is the case then it needs a buff. ALL guns in Dust are still a bit too short range even after the buff (or the maps are too generic and open-bowl-like, take your pick)
Burntface man112 Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 17	Posted - 2013.08.31 04:36:00 - [117] - Quote Raymundo Kagestad V wrote: Seriously CCP, this thing is ridiculous, and it's honestly the only thing (Besides the obvious LLAV) that needs a nerf beating. I mean a REAL beating. For all the ammo it has, the damage should be pithy so that people have time to react to it, and it's range is still somewhat unreal, even without the sharpshooter bonus. (I miss you chromosome) This thing looks as if it should work like a miniature HMG, so lets make it like an ACTUAL small HMG. Works the same, but is less effective overall. Like most things you're trying, I feel as if the AR should be a niche weapon, useful only in a designed role, in certain scenarios. It shouldn't be a master of everything, I don't even feel like it should be a jack of all trades. It should possibly be powerful enough to make enemies check to make sure they're ready to take it on (Sufficient ammo and shields to win) but AR's shouldn't be able to go 20-2 in pubs. Ummmm you are aware that Assault Rifles today are designed for Versatile use right? Thats why they are call ASSAULT RIFLES, used for assaulting.
Burntface man112 Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 17	Posted - 2013.08.31 04:42:00 - [118] - Quote Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range First off the AR gets 10 increase on damage against shield and armor which is a poor increase compared to 20% shield damage when fighting against a Caldari Secondly yes the AR need more recoil and accuracy control but so does every weapon in this game, HMG should have the most recoil but its dispersion is a substitute for now. Thirdly AScr has charge shots which kills anyone within its sights in optimal range. this Rifle is suppose to be used in shorter ranges because of that implement, and power against shield damage. finally, the AR is actually not as effective against armor because armor can take more of a beating than shields, so if you're running caldari than you at a disadvantage vs Gallente which has an advantage
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1386	Posted - 2013.08.31 04:54:00 - [119] - Quote Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Didn't complain just talking about how the AScR is not better than the AR since semperfi brought that up before. But it is better in the fact that it does 120% against shield. You're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
Commander Tuna KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 86	Posted - 2013.08.31 05:02:00 - [120] - Quote ITT people ***** about ars to switch focus off weapons that need to be nerfed. Seriously ARs are fine perhaps add some recoil to make people happy.



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