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Bittersteel the Bastard
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:40:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?
AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:49:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm0wdH4bwuw 8:32 Laser Hip-fire wtf |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:28:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:low genius wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? i guess i'm assuming that when the shield/armour ratios are reduced they'll all be better off. also, the scrambler rifle is just an ar. If your saying all ARs need to be nerfed then you are also including the other 2 in the works. This means you want to nerf 1/2 of all of the anti infantry light weapons that will be available in the game. And knowing the anti AR crowd they truly do want the AR to be useless. Unlike those who want actual weaponry balance the majority of AR haters will not be happy until ARs will literally be unable to kill someone. Why?? Well simple really its because the MD takes more skill
Before you start ranting about conspiracy theories realize your opinion doesn't matter because you obviously have little grasp of balance whatsoever. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:21:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:low genius wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right? i guess i'm assuming that when the shield/armour ratios are reduced they'll all be better off. also, the scrambler rifle is just an ar. If your saying all ARs need to be nerfed then you are also including the other 2 in the works. This means you want to nerf 1/2 of all of the anti infantry light weapons that will be available in the game. And knowing the anti AR crowd they truly do want the AR to be useless. Unlike those who want actual weaponry balance the majority of AR haters will not be happy until ARs will literally be unable to kill someone. Why?? Well simple really its because the MD takes more skill Before you start ranting about conspiracy theories realize your opinion doesn't matter because you obviously have little grasp of balance whatsoever. Yes I have little idea of what weaponry balance looks like............right. Well you keep believeing that. Until you have actually participated in competitive gaming you wont have any clue of what weapon balance looks like. You have our bias and you refuse to listen to anything that would be reasonable. Just because when CCP nerfs something they usually do it too hard doesnt mean that the weapon should remain the same. You apparently think that the MD is so completely dependent on its current AOE that any less will mean it will instantly be the worst gun in the game.....meanwhile many players who have been using MD for several months are noting that the MD is in fact easymode as it currently stands. Incase you havent noticed the people who argue that the MD should remain the same are generally bad at this game.
MD is fine several factors just make it appear OP.
Armor sucks Grenades need to be rebalanced (flux nades) Explosives need damage drop off at the edge of it's radius
Does competitive gaming include using the most popular weapon which obviously needs to be rebalanced and "nerfed"? If so count me out. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:28:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:Does everyone realize that the whole game is balanced around the AR? The AR is THE classic weapon in all first person shooter games. If you rebalance those guns, then you have to rebalance every gun...
Of course there are many people using the AR. For me, its what I am used to in every FPS that I play. The same goes for many people in this game...
No you don't need to rebalance every other gun. This is an idiotic argument. Everything should not be balanced against the AR anyways. It shouldn't even be called an AR tbh. It should be the Blaster Rifle or something along those lines and have much less range than laser based weaponry. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 20:55:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:Raymundo Kagestad V wrote:Jimbo appears to be correct. Everything has been nerfed to cater to the AR. Its because there is absolutely nothing wrong with the AR...
And this is why your point is idiotic. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:18:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead.
I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK
Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available)
Grenade: Lai Dai AV
So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off.
But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage.
Wait the AR isn't OP just because you equipped it to a logi suit? lolwut
Also I am not putting a real life weapon into the game and making it worse. If you don't realize there are no real life Blaster Rifles. I'm going off the lore that says blasters have less range than laser based weaponry. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:24:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead.
I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK
Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available)
Grenade: Lai Dai AV
So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off.
But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage. Wait the AR isn't OP just because you equipped it to a logi suit? lolwut Also I am not putting a real life weapon into the game and making it worse. If you don't realize there are no real life Blaster Rifles. I'm going off the lore that says blasters have less range than laser based weaponry. If you didn't realize, the gun is called an assault rifle, not a blaster rifle... You were the one calling it OP on this thread first...not me. I don't think its OP at all. Please tell with FACTS, what makes it OP?
Have you even read this damn thread? Go back and check my posts. Also it's called an AR but it's not a traditional AR. Get that through your thick head. If you haven't realized, we aren't played a modern day shooter, or a WW II shooter, we are playing a sci-fi shooter taking place in the EVE universe where the "AR" uses blaster tech that has less range than other tech.
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Bittersteel the Bastard
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:29:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:I would love to hear the guns that you guys are using in this forum. Just the ones that say that the AR should be nerfed. Please...go right ahead.
I will start by posting every single weapon that I use on my proto dropsuit. Lets start with my primary weapon: GEK
Sidearm: Nope, I can't put one on (No slot available)
Grenade: Lai Dai AV
So lets see here...I can't use any grenade to kill your dropsuit or change to a sidearm to finish you off.
But OMG, I am apparently using an OP AR according to everyone on this thread. You know, the one that has to reload while you are trying to kill me with your side arm or your grenade. Yeah...that OP weapon. That OP ADVANCED AR. Cut me a break. Its a weapon where you actually have to shoot the person to inflict damage. Wait the AR isn't OP just because you equipped it to a logi suit? lolwut Also I am not putting a real life weapon into the game and making it worse. If you don't realize there are no real life Blaster Rifles. I'm going off the lore that says blasters have less range than laser based weaponry. If you didn't realize, the gun is called an assault rifle, not a blaster rifle... You were the one calling it OP on this thread first...not me. I don't think its OP at all. Please tell with FACTS, what makes it OP? Have you even read this damn thread? Go back and check my posts. Also it's called an AR but it's not a traditional AR. Get that through your thick head. If you haven't realized, we aren't played a modern day shooter, or a WW II shooter, we are playing a sci-fi shooter taking place in the EVE universe where the "AR" uses blaster tech that has less range than other tech. Lol Umm okay...take away the range LOL The amount of kills that I get in longer range/short range is about 5%/95% Ouch...I don't think you wanted to hear that :(
The range needs a small nerf but it certainly needs more recoil. That thing is freaking laser accurate even in hipfire.
Edit: Just because you provided "situational evidence" that doesn't prove anything because:
a. That's just one person's account b. You probably suck for all I know |
Bittersteel the Bastard
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:36:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:Right again...95% of my kills are in close range...which means I will be using hipfire. Sooooo...close range means that they are nearly right next to me. The chances of me hitting them are very high because they are in CLOSE range....
Do you see? Close range means that if the gun has recoil or not...all of the bullets will still hit as long as the perso
Your idiocy knows no bounds. Your argument doesn't make any sense. Just because recoil doesn't affect you when you're shooting someone point blank then there is no reason in putting it in at all?
And BTW recoil does really affect close range. Try using an AScR.
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Bittersteel the Bastard
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:37:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:
MD is fine several factors just make it appear OP.
Armor sucks Grenades need to be rebalanced (flux nades) Explosives need damage drop off at the edge of it's radius
Does competitive gaming include using the most popular weapon which obviously needs to be rebalanced and "nerfed"? If so count me out.
Your own comment shows u dont pay attention to what ppl write. Its plastered all over that ise the scrambler rifle......unless u are just calling all mag fed rifles in this game an addault rifle..... The other problem is your assuming ccp will actually do the correct thing regarding and make explosive dropoff. I assume no such thing given their poor game mechanics history.
I have no idea what you're talking about with your first sentence, please clean it up so it isn't nonsense. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:54:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?
AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range
Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor
Didn't complain just talking about how the AScR is not better than the AR since semperfi brought that up before. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:55:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?
AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range
Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Well thats wrong. AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. The scrambler has more accuracy, more dmg, faster reload, more rounds per mag, similar rof, similar range ( can a couple meters really make that big of a difference?? Scr range was buffed already to they are almost identical now), 80% dmg to armor is only 2 dmg less than the ARs dmg to armor but it does like 7 more dmg to shields per round than the AR.
"AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. "
Are you ******* serious? Get the hell out. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:58:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?
AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range
Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Well thats wrong. AR has highest recoil of any gun other than sniper rifle. The scrambler has more accuracy, more dmg, faster reload, more rounds per mag, similar rof, similar range ( can a couple meters really make that big of a difference?? Scr range was buffed already to they are almost identical now), 80% dmg to armor is only 2 dmg less than the ARs dmg to armor but it does like 7 more dmg to shields per round than the AR. I completely agree with everything that you said. I am not the one posting that the AR has no recoil...etc. That was Bittersteel the Bastard who posted that on the first page at the bottom...
The AR has no recoil when compared to anything else. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:59:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:semperfi1999 wrote: Despite everythign you guys are saying you realize the stats show the ASCR being better than the AR right?
AR has no recoil AR has more accuracy AScR has like 80% efficiency against armor AScR has massive recoil AScR has less range
Bittersteel the Bastard complained about 80% armor Didn't complain just talking about how the AScR is not better than the AR since semperfi brought that up before. So you pointed out all of the negative things about the AScR in your view but FAILED to point out all of the positive things about the AScR has over the AR
Yes that's how you make an argument. I'm glad you understand because you realize you've been doing the same thing? |
Bittersteel the Bastard
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:02:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:Go fire a duvalle AR and then come back to me.
I've fired a Gek before. Have you even touched an AScR? |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:07:00 -
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Honestly the fact that your biased argument that my argument is biased while not even seeing your own bias is hilarious. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:08:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Go fire a duvalle AR and then come back to me. I've fired a Gek before. Have you even touched an AScR? Unless you can't read...go fire a DUVALLE
*Duvolle
You must not have used one yourself to have incorrectly spelled it twice.
I've fired a GEK have you fired a CDR-9? |
Bittersteel the Bastard
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:13:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:So you can one shot people in the head with a scrambler rifle in a heavy shielded tanking game and you are the one complaining? You? Because I don't see anyone else here on this forum...
Wait are you complaining because a weapon which is 120% effective against shields can one shot a shield tanker? Do you also realize you need to charge it, it has overheat, and that most charge shots do not register unless you are standing utterly still.
Do you also realize we've been talking about the Assault Scrambler Rifle, which cannot one-shot kill anything. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:17:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:Go fire a duvalle AR and then come back to me. I've fired a Gek before. Have you even touched an AScR? Unless you can't read...go fire a DUVALLE *Duvolle You must not have used one yourself to have incorrectly spelled it twice. I've fired a GEK have you fired a CDR-9? Yup i have....all the time......and it has less recoil than the ar.... You ever shot the ascr against a wall and let off the aiming stick to see what happens?? You should it pretty much doesnt move.
This is honestly not worth my time, because you are both blind and an utter idiot. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:23:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Jimbo1337 wrote:So you can one shot people in the head with a scrambler rifle in a heavy shielded tanking game and you are the one complaining? You? Because I don't see anyone else here on this forum... Wait are you complaining because a weapon which is 120% effective against shields can one shot a shield tanker? Do you also realize you need to charge it, it has overheat, and that most charge shots do not register unless you are standing utterly still. Do you also realize we've been talking about the Assault Scrambler Rifle, which cannot one-shot kill anything. If you read my post, I am not complaining one bit. I am just merely pointing out the positives of your weapon that you FAILED to post. You FAILED to post that most people shield tank. You FAILED to post that you can choose a weapon that can charge up and kill someone with one hit. But no...you would rather comment of how this is ME complaining. Let me tell you sir...I am not complaining one bit about any of this. I embrace all of that because it is part of the game.
You chose to use the Assault scrambler rifle when you CLEARLY could CHOOSE the Scrambler Rifle. But here you are saying that the assault scrambler rifle is UP. Then choose the Scrambler Rifle for gods sake. Its not like you wasted any SP.
So I say that YOU are the one complaining here. "You realize that you have to charge it"...then DON"T CHARGE IT! The AR doesn't have this option....THEN DONT USE IT IF YOU SUCK AT USING IT.
If you have to hit someone with it by them "standing utterly still", then you must suck...
You have the TAC AR which the Scrambler Rifle is a variant of. And BTW the hit detection issues with a charge shot are present and known a quick search will show you that it isn't just my "gun-game". Plus it's pretty obvious this rant of yours is just one big long complaint. Oh and quit instigating because you have nothing else to do and fighting with someone gave you a sense of human contact. Bye. |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:29:00 -
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Jimbo1337 wrote:
Please underline the section of my post that is a complaint...I will wait
done
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