The BEST way to own with Nova Knives.

1. Don't be detected.

Didnt even read it. Nova knife users are the realest.

My eternal reapect. Cut everyone down.

Nova knifer. *salutes*

Well like i always say if u own with something that nobody really uses thats skill SIR U JUST 1+

Best way to own with the Nova Knives, have good hit detection ;)

Where's Maken Tosch? I'd love to see you two discussing nova knives. :)

So we do know for sure myofibs affect knives?

Should be able to make a fit with 2 complex myos do an easy 400 a pop.

And then am i right that nova knives hit twice per charge or just the once?

yes nova knives hit twice, but myofybrils dont affect the R1 attack of the knives. they affect the melee attack of the knives, which have no charge time, and a slight lunge effect so, wait 400!?!?! that's insane!!!

Well I guess I'm just tying to figure out how radar hit me for 897 with only knives. It was within about 1-1.5s. He pretty much one shot me from what I can tell.

it's because advanced and ESPECIALLY proto knives deal INSANE DAMAGE. with proficiency and sometimes without it, you can OHK heavies.

Yeah I'm just wondering.. How though? Is it because of the myofibs?

I know complex myofibs can get up to 75% after passives, so two of them is about 140%, and 200 damage on the ishukone knives be would put you at around 400 a shot, ESP after some proficiency and the minja Melee bonus.

Then if it hits twice, it would add up to a 900 damage 1 shot.

But you're saying myofibs don't affect the R1 attack on knives?

No kidding... The 200 is base damage before charge? Holy crap wow.

Cool thanks for the info man. I would love to get into a knife build, I have all the prerequisite biotics but ive earmarked my next 3 million SP for other basic crap i still need :/

Stupid nerfs...

Nova Knives; the one weapon that I never mind being decloned with, because I know the skill it must take to use them effectively. Every time I get Nova slashed I just think "damn... nice one."

Hello Tranquil, nice to see a fellow ninja knifer here. I wanted to step in and point out a few things.

First off, nova knife damage and melee damage are completely separate from each other. That means that nova knifes are affected only by sidearm damage mods because they are technically sidearms while the melee (the butt end of your rifle or your fist) is affected only by the myofibral stimulants. None of the bonuses of one mod crosses into the other.

Also, since nova knives don't have the lunge feature like the melee does, you will have to learn how to anticipate your enemy's movement like you are playing chess. Otherwise, you will miss your target even with the sprint/charge bug that you mentioned. I have ran into multiple occasions where I had to use the instant attacks in rapid succession in a hectic fight between me and a logibro because the initial attack with the sprint/charge failed to hit him and I had almost no time to redo the glitch. That and tthe fact that occasionaly the constant weapon swapping can cause the weapons to overlap such when my hands were holding the nova knives like an SMG (lol) which forces me to waste precious time swapping weapons again.

Here are my various fits I use.

[Vagabond]
Scout MK.0
x1 ishukone nova knives
x1 militia smg
x2 enhanced kinetic catalyzers
x2 enhanced sidearmm damage mods
x1 enhanced shield extender
x1 flux grenade
x1 actiive scanner

[Dramiel]
scout MK.0
x1 ishukone nova knives
x1 militia smg
x1 flux grenade
x1 r-9 drop uplinks
x2 enhanced kin cats
x3 enhanced shield extenders

[Atron]
'Skinweave' gallente light frame
x1 zn-28 knives
x1 militia kin cat
x1 flux grenade
x1 miltia smg
x1 militia shield extender

If you notice closely, you will see that I use flux grenades quite often. Those help with softening my targets without putting myself at too much risk.

feels nice to get a reply from you maken. you are right on all parts, but i guess the anticipation part just comes naturally with learning how to use the knives. i just never felt a need to soften a target, but its an excellent idea nonetheless! can we squad up sometime? i'd love to play with another experienced knifer. oh yeah and i know how the myofybril doesn't affect knife damage. that was more for "finishing shots." hope to get another reply from you bro.

So what is the purpose of the myofibs for a knife build then?

Do you use R3 a lot when knifing?

You can find me in the 'Scouts United' chat channel. There you will see a ton of minjas out there. Often times you get to run alongside your natural predator: the shotgunner.

A active scanners are very efective while using Nova knives against multiple enemies. U know the location and direction they are looking at and only about 95% people look when it says u have been scanned

good idea! i'll make a sub-fit where i replace the remote explosives with a flux active scanner.

good idea! i'll make a sub-fit where i replace the remote explosives with a flux active scanner.

this is true, hit detection does need some work, but i know ccp will fix it in time

Well I guess I'm just tying to figure out how radar hit me for 897 with only knives. It was within about 1-1.5s. He pretty much one shot me from what I can tell.

i know a guy named mr musturd who told me heal deals close to 1300 damage with his knives.

Mr. Mustard is a BEAST!

Seriously, the only knifer to ever kill me more than once (usually from behind) in a match. He jumped into a squad of 6 reds and walked out alone. He killed me 6 times that match.

I notice he always jumps like crazy though. Does jumping make hit easier to get a headshot?

Can you glitch the sprint charge without a primary weapon though? Curious how well this would work on a speed fitted logi suit. Is it absolutely necessary to sprint charge with knives?

Speed shotgun works pretty well on the logi suit, curious how a speed knife fit would work for high density CQC engagements.

It's not necessary to sprint charge with knives if you know how to sneak up on your target and you're a seasoned knifer. It's just slightly more difficult to do without it.

Can you glitch the sprint charge without a primary weapon though? Curious how well this would work on a speed fitted logi suit. Is it absolutely necessary to sprint charge with knives?

Speed shotgun works pretty well on the logi suit, curious how a speed knife fit would work for high density CQC engagements.

Mr. Mustard is a BEAST!

Seriously, the only knifer to ever kill me more than once (usually from behind) in a match. He jumped into a squad of 6 reds and walked out alone. He killed me 6 times that match.

I notice he always jumps like crazy though. Does jumping make hit easier to get a headshot?

Yeah I'm just wondering.. How though? Is it because of the myofibs?

I know complex myofibs can get up to 75% after passives, so two of them is about 140%, and 200 damage on the ishukone knives be would put you at around 400 a shot, ESP after some proficiency and the minja Melee bonus.

Then if it hits twice, it would add up to a 900 damage 1 shot.

But you're saying myofibs don't affect the R1 attack on knives?

The suit bonus is 25% the proficiency is 15% at level 5, proto blades are 200 each blade base without a charge, but proto blades take .8 of a second to charge so even a semi charged blade could do almost 400 damage without any bonus, so both blades charged would give you 800 damage with no bonuses added. So both knives with bonus on a quick slash do 575 damage and 1150 charged plus you probably get 100% efficiency in the head or from behind.
Takes tones of sp to achieve this damage but hey once you sink it the damage reward should be this high

it makes you harder to hit, plus you can charge while in mid-air.

So basically jumping is a cheap workaround to the sprint charge. I know everyone bunnyhops to avoid being hit, but he is just crazy. I had to camp a high point with MD to kill him, once, at the very end of the match. Mad respect for him, and I don't say that often.

to those of you who say Nova Knives are not practical, i'm willing to challenge you on that any day.

i am someone who uses nova knives mainly and not only goes positive (K/D), but gets 1st place regularly with scores upwards of 19-0 and up. now i didn't get this good overnight. as a matter of fact i started out going 2-11, and i considered that a good match! But with practice, i got better, and anyone can too.

in order to use nova knives, you will need a lot of determination and time/sp invested into your fit based around them.

Now, i originally used scrambler rifles, but later stopped, which one reason why i wish for a respec(but that is another topic )

at this point i've seen it all,when it comes the types of opponents you ill encounter using nova knives. by mastering nova knives, you will also master map awareness, stealth, and much more. you'll be able to take people on 1v6!

a few things you will NEED:

1.) Kinetic Catalyzers(at least Enhanced)
2.) At the very least Zn-28 Nova Knives
3.) an advanced scout suit, or proto assault suit with at least 3 lows.
4.) Complex Shield Extenders.(especially if you plan using knives against someone head on)

Note:this is just MY opinion feel free to correct me if you see something you don't agree with.

Things that will enhance your fit:
1.) Remote Explosives(these will help immensely, but are not needed)
2.) Ishukone Nova Knives or 'Fleshriver' Ishukone Nova Knives
3.) Myofybril Stimulant(purely optional)

the first thing you will need to learn is map awareness. this is one of the most key things if you want to walk this path. please, contact me if you would like some one on one training, i would be more than happy to teach you. Anyway your beginning days should be spent learning the maps insided and out, learning popular sniper spots, picking off people hacking or the occasional "lone heavy". this will help build the base required to become efficient in nova knife use.

next is to learn not to be afraid to run away. often times you'll find that the people you're facing are idiots to be blunt, and will either forget about you entirely, or try to chase you. this is where remote explosives will come in handy, as you will have the upper hand. you will lose alot of suits if you are blindly trying to slash someone to death, so be careful and remember that above all else, nova knifing is a stealthy way of playing, and only used to confront people head on when absolutely needed, or you master them.

NO MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO CHARGE WHILE SPRINTING!!!
we dont want this implemented so that everyone can use it, just the people who are serious about learning the way of the ninja. this is why i'll let you in on a little secret: if you have another weapon, then switch and press and hold R1 right when you are are switching to your nova knives, you will be able to charge while sprinting. (DON'T TELL ANYONE! IT'S A SECRET! lol JK)

finally the my fitting:

my main one goes as follows:

Caldari Basic Frame Ck.0
3 Complex Shield Extenders
1 Basic Shield Extender( interchangeable with Myofybril Stimulants
1 Militia Myofybril Stimulant Blueprint( interchangeable with Basic Shield Extenders)

'Toxin' Assault Rifle
'Fleshriver' Ishukone Nova Knives( dont have the skills yet to use the isk versions unforunately)

2 'Iris' Complex Kinetic Catalyzers(working on get the isk variants)
1 PG Upgrade

Remote Explosives

i have about 516 hp (390 shield + 126 armor)
i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts )
i deal roughly 140 damage melee

feel free to offer suggestions to enhance this. this is just what i've been using and getting my good scores with

This is the proof that scouts are broken, our base stats need to be higher an also have a extra equipment slot an another low for a minmatar an another high for gallente proto suits.

Our slot an CPU an pg configuration is broke if a scout with max skills is slower, if I want a gun , grenades, shield an nk on my fit I have to run a CPU chip an one complex red an that's with almost all my skills maxed
My electronics an engineering are at4 weapon operations 4 an explosives 4
If I use reds I can fit bombs an nk but I can't use 3 complex shields.
Nk uses too much CPU an should have a fitting bonus on scout suits

i don't understand why they would give a scout ANY less PG/CPU than any other suit.

Let alone make nk fitting so high without a optimization skill since it is a given every minmatar scout has them due to the bonus.
I been away from the knives for a while trying to practice my sg game, I still get more kills with r/e or knives than using any gun probably becaus my glasses are broke lol, but this damn stamina nerd has me quit cheesed going from 20+ nk kills a game to being reduced to preying strictly on lone wolves .

Very interesting, I'm definitely going to throw on a couple of knives for an alterna-fit.

I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness?

Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system?

Ive been playing sinse beta... ive used nearly every weapon on most suits... im active on the forum, and the back story, and generally keep up to date on all things dust...

And i have no idea if profile dampening works...

Very interesting, I'm definitely going to throw on a couple of knives for an alterna-fit.

I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness?

Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system?

Very interesting, I'm definitely going to throw on a couple of knives for an alterna-fit.

I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness?

Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system?

With the current scanning system, there's not much point in profile dampeners.
Passive scanning is mostly awful and you won't get picked up by it, and active scanning will pick you up almost for sure - a proto scanner will pick up anything except a proto scout with three profile dampeners, and that's just not worth it.

Go full combat - Once the new squad vision stuff turns up things should be a little better for sneakiness anyway.

With the current scanning system, there's not much point in profile dampeners.
Passive scanning is mostly awful and you won't get picked up by it, and active scanning will pick you up almost for sure - a proto scanner will pick up anything except a proto scout with three profile dampeners, and that's just not worth it.

Go full combat - Once the new squad vision stuff turns up things should be a little better for sneakiness anyway.

The BEST way to own with Nova Knives.

1. Don't be detected.

to those of you who say Nova Knives are not practical, i'm willing to challenge you on that any day.

i am someone who uses nova knives mainly and not only goes positive (K/D), but gets 1st place regularly with scores upwards of 19-0 and up. now i didn't get this good overnight. as a matter of fact i started out going 2-11, and i considered that a good match! But with practice, i got better, and anyone can too.

in order to use nova knives, you will need a lot of determination and time/sp invested into your fit based around them.

Now, i originally used scrambler rifles, but later stopped, which one reason why i wish for a respec(but that is another topic )

at this point i've seen it all,when it comes the types of opponents you ill encounter using nova knives. by mastering nova knives, you will also master map awareness, stealth, and much more. you'll be able to take people on 1v6!

a few things you will NEED:

1.) Kinetic Catalyzers(at least Enhanced)
2.) At the very least Zn-28 Nova Knives
3.) an advanced scout suit, or proto assault suit with at least 3 lows.
4.) Complex Shield Extenders.(especially if you plan using knives against someone head on)

Note:this is just MY opinion feel free to correct me if you see something you don't agree with.

Things that will enhance your fit:
1.) Remote Explosives(these will help immensely, but are not needed)
2.) Ishukone Nova Knives or 'Fleshriver' Ishukone Nova Knives
3.) Myofybril Stimulant(purely optional)

the first thing you will need to learn is map awareness. this is one of the most key things if you want to walk this path. please, contact me if you would like some one on one training, i would be more than happy to teach you. Anyway your beginning days should be spent learning the maps insided and out, learning popular sniper spots, picking off people hacking or the occasional "lone heavy". this will help build the base required to become efficient in nova knife use.

next is to learn not to be afraid to run away. often times you'll find that the people you're facing are idiots to be blunt, and will either forget about you entirely, or try to chase you. this is where remote explosives will come in handy, as you will have the upper hand. you will lose alot of suits if you are blindly trying to slash someone to death, so be careful and remember that above all else, nova knifing is a stealthy way of playing, and only used to confront people head on when absolutely needed, or you master them.

NO MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO CHARGE WHILE SPRINTING!!!
we dont want this implemented so that everyone can use it, just the people who are serious about learning the way of the ninja. this is why i'll let you in on a little secret: if you have another weapon, then switch and press and hold R1 right when you are are switching to your nova knives, you will be able to charge while sprinting. (DON'T TELL ANYONE! IT'S A SECRET! lol JK)

finally the my fitting:

my main one goes as follows:

Caldari Basic Frame Ck.0
3 Complex Shield Extenders
1 Basic Shield Extender( interchangeable with Myofybril Stimulants
1 Militia Myofybril Stimulant Blueprint( interchangeable with Basic Shield Extenders)

'Toxin' Assault Rifle
'Fleshriver' Ishukone Nova Knives( dont have the skills yet to use the isk versions unforunately)

2 'Iris' Complex Kinetic Catalyzers(working on get the isk variants)
1 PG Upgrade

Remote Explosives

i have about 516 hp (390 shield + 126 armor)
i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts )
i deal roughly 140 damage melee

feel free to offer suggestions to enhance this. this is just what i've been using and getting my good scores with

Why use nova knives when you could just melee glitch people? That's what all the pros are doing now anyways

Considering it won't be fixed for another month and a half, more and more people are gonna abuse it. As I see it, it's just a waste of a sidearm until the glitch is fixed.

Not when u do +600 per slash

Very interesting, I'm definitely going to throw on a couple of knives for an alterna-fit.

I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness?

Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system?

I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness?

Very interesting, I'm definitely going to throw on a couple of knives for an alterna-fit.

I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness?

Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system?

i have about 516 hp (390 shield + 126 armor)
i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scoutsLol )
i deal roughly 140 damage melee

I love how everyone has mentioned that the current state of pssive scanning and the lack of usefullness is directly related to scan range on suit. I think I've personally made at least 3-4 threads on the same topic in the last 2 months and other people have certainly mentioned it as well.

I'm really hoping that despite the lack of a mention in the patch notes that Wolfmann actually tweaked these numbers for 1.4. It will be a **** show otherwise. Calling it right here.

In before whining about how nothing shows up on TACNET anymore.

At any rate, before I get called a useless whiner, if it were up to me I would put everyone at 15 m radius at least. Even 20 m would still be viable. Fully specced gallente scouts with 1 complex range amp would then put out a 65 m scan radius (45m with skills only for gallente, 30m for minmatar scout) but this would still only be visible to them. I suspect a common fit would include the active scanner to paint the dots you see on your passive with this change.

Regular medium and heavy dropsuits with 20 m radius could reach a 30 m radius with a 1mill sp investment into range amplification. This gives some incentive to go into that skill tree. Even to start looking into precision and dampeners now that you have a decent size view around you. Gives a nice 3 mill sp sink.

Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system?

With the current scanning system, there's not much point in profile dampeners.
Passive scanning is mostly awful and you won't get picked up by it, and active scanning will pick you up almost for sure - a proto scanner will pick up anything except a proto scout with three profile dampeners, and that's just not worth it.

Go full combat - Once the new squad vision stuff turns up things should be a little better for sneakiness anyway.

Don't hold your breath, Tranquil. Those of us who were around during May this year have received notices from CCP via the petition system saying that there will be no more respecs in the forseeable future.

CCP did however leave open the possibility of partial reimbursements of some of the skill points if they either remove some of the skill books that you invested in or reduce the SP requirements for each level of skill.

The thing is that nova knives NEED speed and profile is only usefull against scanners and most people dont use the and because the passive scan range is only 10m

What equipment would be useful though? i mean active scanner make the enemy last for a few seconds and theres packs of them so i can't really take all of them down, i've been using drop-pads and they have been alright a lot of teammates spawned and helped me around.

I enjoy using profile dampeners

Very interesting, I'm definitely going to throw on a couple of knives for an alterna-fit.

I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness?

Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system?

Very interesting, I'm definitely going to throw on a couple of knives for an alterna-fit.

I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness?

Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system?

i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts

*Facepalms*

lol why?

Even matching speed with a scout should be dificult but he is going faster than most scouts

lol why?

Nothing you said, Tranquil. Thank you for sharing your successes with us.
Perhaps we'll see greater distinction between Scouts and Mediums in future builds.

i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts)

Try 9.63m/s. And I'm stacking enhanced kin cats on my Minmatar scout.

awesome my minmatar scout m/1 series runs at 10.55 m/s

How does it go 10:55?
Mines 10:36 with biotics maxed

you sure? cuz with kin cats at 3, using AUR kin kats, i ran at 10.36. now its at 5, so it should run about 10.5, because of the efficacy increase? maybe i read it wrong. if so, my bad, but you get the point lol its really fast

I have cores at 4 an if I go 3 complex shields an 2 proto reds I can only fit my knives, maybe a toxin or a equip if I lower my shields but not all.
If I wanna fill all slots I gotta run lv 1 grenades, r/e , an toxin just to have that speed an only like 270 shields, while every other med suit can rok almost all proto on all slots, makes no sence how low our cores are even after upgrades

390 shields an 1055 speed? Minmatar scout proto?
Highest I get is 343 I believe, shield upgrades an extension 5
Wtf u sure? If so I'm getting jipped!

lol nah, it's not 390 shields, its more i like near 200-240 on the scout at 10.55 running. the 390 comes from my caldari nova knife fit which has 390 shield +126 armor and runs at 9.16 m/s

minnie MK.0

Ishukone Knives
Militia SMG/plasma cannon
Proto nades
Compact hive
Complex extenders
Complex kinetic
Complex Cardiac

thats all i ever need, gets the job done and you all get cut up, i rarely get picked up in the scouts united channel cuz everyone has their little cliques there but its all good, i like going in solo and helping random squads out.

the ones who have squadded with me know whats up, big time. Niuvo knows for sure ;) squad with him more than anyone there usually.

I used to own with only knives on my fit, but hit detection sooooooooooooooo broken I can't do well anymore, just slashing the scout trying to hack an objective with knives.... AT THIS POINT I ONLY WANT MY HIT DETECTION FIXED CCP!!!! Scouts are already UP as is because an assault can get near a scouts max speed but at the same time have 2-3(or mabye 4) times the EHP, but IDC AT THIS POINT I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO DAMAGE PEOPLE IN A MELEE BATTLE!!!

Message me I ll run wit ya, I run solo too

Minmatar scout? Mine does 10:36 two complex kinetics, are you adding the efficiency or reading what it says on the fit, that makes no sence if mines slower

Is it worth it going proto minnie? I usually use the adv and if im really broke I just stick with dragonfly. Get killed too much with them medium ARsholes mercs only proto i use is the knife

Is it worth it going proto minnie? I usually use the adv and if im really broke I just stick with dragonfly. Get killed too much with them medium ARsholes mercs only proto i use is the knife