Very interesting, I'm definitely going to throw on a couple of knives for an alterna-fit.

I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness?

Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system?

Ive been playing sinse beta... ive used nearly every weapon on most suits... im active on the forum, and the back story, and generally keep up to date on all things dust...

And i have no idea if profile dampening works...

Very interesting, I'm definitely going to throw on a couple of knives for an alterna-fit.

I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness?

Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system?

Very interesting, I'm definitely going to throw on a couple of knives for an alterna-fit.

I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness?

Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system?

With the current scanning system, there's not much point in profile dampeners.
Passive scanning is mostly awful and you won't get picked up by it, and active scanning will pick you up almost for sure - a proto scanner will pick up anything except a proto scout with three profile dampeners, and that's just not worth it.

Go full combat - Once the new squad vision stuff turns up things should be a little better for sneakiness anyway.

With the current scanning system, there's not much point in profile dampeners.
Passive scanning is mostly awful and you won't get picked up by it, and active scanning will pick you up almost for sure - a proto scanner will pick up anything except a proto scout with three profile dampeners, and that's just not worth it.

Go full combat - Once the new squad vision stuff turns up things should be a little better for sneakiness anyway.

The BEST way to own with Nova Knives.

1. Don't be detected.

to those of you who say Nova Knives are not practical, i'm willing to challenge you on that any day.

i am someone who uses nova knives mainly and not only goes positive (K/D), but gets 1st place regularly with scores upwards of 19-0 and up. now i didn't get this good overnight. as a matter of fact i started out going 2-11, and i considered that a good match! But with practice, i got better, and anyone can too.

in order to use nova knives, you will need a lot of determination and time/sp invested into your fit based around them.

Now, i originally used scrambler rifles, but later stopped, which one reason why i wish for a respec(but that is another topic )

at this point i've seen it all,when it comes the types of opponents you ill encounter using nova knives. by mastering nova knives, you will also master map awareness, stealth, and much more. you'll be able to take people on 1v6!

a few things you will NEED:

1.) Kinetic Catalyzers(at least Enhanced)
2.) At the very least Zn-28 Nova Knives
3.) an advanced scout suit, or proto assault suit with at least 3 lows.
4.) Complex Shield Extenders.(especially if you plan using knives against someone head on)

Note:this is just MY opinion feel free to correct me if you see something you don't agree with.

Things that will enhance your fit:
1.) Remote Explosives(these will help immensely, but are not needed)
2.) Ishukone Nova Knives or 'Fleshriver' Ishukone Nova Knives
3.) Myofybril Stimulant(purely optional)

the first thing you will need to learn is map awareness. this is one of the most key things if you want to walk this path. please, contact me if you would like some one on one training, i would be more than happy to teach you. Anyway your beginning days should be spent learning the maps insided and out, learning popular sniper spots, picking off people hacking or the occasional "lone heavy". this will help build the base required to become efficient in nova knife use.

next is to learn not to be afraid to run away. often times you'll find that the people you're facing are idiots to be blunt, and will either forget about you entirely, or try to chase you. this is where remote explosives will come in handy, as you will have the upper hand. you will lose alot of suits if you are blindly trying to slash someone to death, so be careful and remember that above all else, nova knifing is a stealthy way of playing, and only used to confront people head on when absolutely needed, or you master them.

NO MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO CHARGE WHILE SPRINTING!!!
we dont want this implemented so that everyone can use it, just the people who are serious about learning the way of the ninja. this is why i'll let you in on a little secret: if you have another weapon, then switch and press and hold R1 right when you are are switching to your nova knives, you will be able to charge while sprinting. (DON'T TELL ANYONE! IT'S A SECRET! lol JK)

finally the my fitting:

my main one goes as follows:

Caldari Basic Frame Ck.0
3 Complex Shield Extenders
1 Basic Shield Extender( interchangeable with Myofybril Stimulants
1 Militia Myofybril Stimulant Blueprint( interchangeable with Basic Shield Extenders)

'Toxin' Assault Rifle
'Fleshriver' Ishukone Nova Knives( dont have the skills yet to use the isk versions unforunately)

2 'Iris' Complex Kinetic Catalyzers(working on get the isk variants)
1 PG Upgrade

Remote Explosives

i have about 516 hp (390 shield + 126 armor)
i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts )
i deal roughly 140 damage melee

feel free to offer suggestions to enhance this. this is just what i've been using and getting my good scores with

Why use nova knives when you could just melee glitch people? That's what all the pros are doing now anyways

Considering it won't be fixed for another month and a half, more and more people are gonna abuse it. As I see it, it's just a waste of a sidearm until the glitch is fixed.

Not when u do +600 per slash

Very interesting, I'm definitely going to throw on a couple of knives for an alterna-fit.

I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness?

Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system?

I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness?

Very interesting, I'm definitely going to throw on a couple of knives for an alterna-fit.

I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness?

Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system?

i have about 516 hp (390 shield + 126 armor)
i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scoutsLol )
i deal roughly 140 damage melee

I love how everyone has mentioned that the current state of pssive scanning and the lack of usefullness is directly related to scan range on suit. I think I've personally made at least 3-4 threads on the same topic in the last 2 months and other people have certainly mentioned it as well.

I'm really hoping that despite the lack of a mention in the patch notes that Wolfmann actually tweaked these numbers for 1.4. It will be a **** show otherwise. Calling it right here.

In before whining about how nothing shows up on TACNET anymore.

At any rate, before I get called a useless whiner, if it were up to me I would put everyone at 15 m radius at least. Even 20 m would still be viable. Fully specced gallente scouts with 1 complex range amp would then put out a 65 m scan radius (45m with skills only for gallente, 30m for minmatar scout) but this would still only be visible to them. I suspect a common fit would include the active scanner to paint the dots you see on your passive with this change.

Regular medium and heavy dropsuits with 20 m radius could reach a 30 m radius with a 1mill sp investment into range amplification. This gives some incentive to go into that skill tree. Even to start looking into precision and dampeners now that you have a decent size view around you. Gives a nice 3 mill sp sink.

Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system?

With the current scanning system, there's not much point in profile dampeners.
Passive scanning is mostly awful and you won't get picked up by it, and active scanning will pick you up almost for sure - a proto scanner will pick up anything except a proto scout with three profile dampeners, and that's just not worth it.

Go full combat - Once the new squad vision stuff turns up things should be a little better for sneakiness anyway.

Don't hold your breath, Tranquil. Those of us who were around during May this year have received notices from CCP via the petition system saying that there will be no more respecs in the forseeable future.

CCP did however leave open the possibility of partial reimbursements of some of the skill points if they either remove some of the skill books that you invested in or reduce the SP requirements for each level of skill.

The thing is that nova knives NEED speed and profile is only usefull against scanners and most people dont use the and because the passive scan range is only 10m

What equipment would be useful though? i mean active scanner make the enemy last for a few seconds and theres packs of them so i can't really take all of them down, i've been using drop-pads and they have been alright a lot of teammates spawned and helped me around.

I enjoy using profile dampeners