DUST Search - How To Own With Nova Knives

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Hello Tranquil, nice to see a fellow ninja knifer here. I wanted to step in and point out a few things.

First off, nova knife damage and melee damage are completely separate from each other. That means that nova knifes are affected only by sidearm damage mods because they are technically sidearms while the melee (the butt end of your rifle or your fist) is affected only by the myofibral stimulants. None of the bonuses of one mod crosses into the other.

Also, since nova knives don't have the lunge feature like the melee does, you will have to learn how to anticipate your enemy's movement like you are playing chess. Otherwise, you will miss your target even with the sprint/charge bug that you mentioned. I have ran into multiple occasions where I had to use the instant attacks in rapid succession in a hectic fight between me and a logibro because the initial attack with the sprint/charge failed to hit him and I had almost no time to redo the glitch. That and tthe fact that occasionaly the constant weapon swapping can cause the weapons to overlap such when my hands were holding the nova knives like an SMG (lol) which forces me to waste precious time swapping weapons again.

Here are my various fits I use.

[Vagabond]
Scout MK.0
x1 ishukone nova knives
x1 militia smg
x2 enhanced kinetic catalyzers
x2 enhanced sidearmm damage mods
x1 enhanced shield extender
x1 flux grenade
x1 actiive scanner

[Dramiel]
scout MK.0
x1 ishukone nova knives
x1 militia smg
x1 flux grenade
x1 r-9 drop uplinks
x2 enhanced kin cats
x3 enhanced shield extenders

[Atron]
'Skinweave' gallente light frame
x1 zn-28 knives
x1 militia kin cat
x1 flux grenade
x1 miltia smg
x1 militia shield extender

If you notice closely, you will see that I use flux grenades quite often. Those help with softening my targets without putting myself at too much risk.

feels nice to get a reply from you maken. you are right on all parts, but i guess the anticipation part just comes naturally with learning how to use the knives. i just never felt a need to soften a target, but its an excellent idea nonetheless! can we squad up sometime? i'd love to play with another experienced knifer. oh yeah and i know how the myofybril doesn't affect knife damage. that was more for "finishing shots." hope to get another reply from you bro.

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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 13	Posted - 2013.08.27 19:42:00 - [1] - Quote to those of you who say Nova Knives are not practical, i'm willing to challenge you on that any day. i am someone who uses nova knives mainly and not only goes positive (K/D), but gets 1st place regularly with scores upwards of 19-0 and up. now i didn't get this good overnight. as a matter of fact i started out going 2-11, and i considered that a good match! But with practice, i got better, and anyone can too. in order to use nova knives, you will need a lot of determination and time/sp invested into your fit based around them. Now, i originally used scrambler rifles, but later stopped, which one reason why i wish for a respec(but that is another topic ) at this point i've seen it all,when it comes the types of opponents you ill encounter using nova knives. by mastering nova knives, you will also master map awareness, stealth, and much more. you'll be able to take people on 1v6! a few things you will NEED: 1.) Kinetic Catalyzers(at least Enhanced) 2.) At the very least Zn-28 Nova Knives 3.) an advanced scout suit, or proto assault suit with at least 3 lows. 4.) Complex Shield Extenders.(especially if you plan using knives against someone head on) Note:this is just MY opinion feel free to correct me if you see something you don't agree with. Things that will enhance your fit: 1.) Remote Explosives(these will help immensely, but are not needed) 2.) Ishukone Nova Knives or 'Fleshriver' Ishukone Nova Knives 3.) Myofybril Stimulant(purely optional) the first thing you will need to learn is map awareness. this is one of the most key things if you want to walk this path. please, contact me if you would like some one on one training, i would be more than happy to teach you. Anyway your beginning days should be spent learning the maps insided and out, learning popular sniper spots, picking off people hacking or the occasional "lone heavy". this will help build the base required to become efficient in nova knife use. next is to learn not to be afraid to run away. often times you'll find that the people you're facing are idiots to be blunt, and will either forget about you entirely, or try to chase you. this is where remote explosives will come in handy, as you will have the upper hand. you will lose alot of suits if you are blindly trying to slash someone to death, so be careful and remember that above all else, nova knifing is a stealthy way of playing, and only used to confront people head on when absolutely needed, or you master them. NO MORE COMPLAINING ABOUT ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO CHARGE WHILE SPRINTING!!! we dont want this implemented so that everyone can use it, just the people who are serious about learning the way of the ninja. this is why i'll let you in on a little secret: if you have another weapon, then switch and press and hold R1 right when you are are switching to your nova knives, you will be able to charge while sprinting. (DON'T TELL ANYONE! IT'S A SECRET! lol JK) finally the my fitting: my main one goes as follows: Caldari Basic Frame Ck.0 3 Complex Shield Extenders 1 Basic Shield Extender( interchangeable with Myofybril Stimulants 1 Militia Myofybril Stimulant Blueprint( interchangeable with Basic Shield Extenders) 'Toxin' Assault Rifle 'Fleshriver' Ishukone Nova Knives( dont have the skills yet to use the isk versions unforunately) 2 'Iris' Complex Kinetic Catalyzers(working on get the isk variants) 1 PG Upgrade Remote Explosives i have about 516 hp (390 shield + 126 armor) i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts ) i deal roughly 140 damage melee feel free to offer suggestions to enhance this. this is just what i've been using and getting my good scores with
Dust Project 514 Pistol King 239	Posted - 2013.08.27 19:46:00 - [2] - Quote The BEST way to own with Nova Knives. 1. Don't be detected.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 13	Posted - 2013.08.27 19:47:00 - [3] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: The BEST way to own with Nova Knives. 1. Don't be detected. well, yeah, but i said that in the post
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 224	Posted - 2013.08.27 19:53:00 - [4] - Quote Didnt even read it. Nova knife users are the realest. My eternal reapect. Cut everyone down.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 14	Posted - 2013.08.27 19:55:00 - [5] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Didnt even read it. Nova knife users are the realest. My eternal reapect. Cut everyone down. haha thanks for the support bro!
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2776	Posted - 2013.08.27 19:58:00 - [6] - Quote Nova knifer. salutes
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 15	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:00:00 - [7] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Nova knifer. salutes makes me feel really good to see those words...thanks alot!
First Prophet Valor Company Incorporated 875	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:02:00 - [8] - Quote Boo medium frames.
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 32	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:03:00 - [9] - Quote Well like i always say if u own with something that nobody really uses thats skill SIR U JUST 1+
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 15	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:05:00 - [10] - Quote GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: Well like i always say if u own with something that nobody really uses thats skill SIR U JUST 1+ thanks alot! you guys are awesome!

DeadlyAztec11 Red Star Jr. EoN. 2032	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:08:00 - [11] - Quote Best way to own with the Nova Knives, have good hit detection ;)
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 16	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:09:00 - [12] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Best way to own with the Nova Knives, have good hit detection ;) this is true, hit detection does need some work, but i know ccp will fix it in time
Princeps Marcellus Expert Intervention Caldari State 178	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:11:00 - [13] - Quote Where's Maken Tosch? I'd love to see you two discussing nova knives. :)
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 16	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:12:00 - [14] - Quote Princeps Marcellus wrote: Where's Maken Tosch? I'd love to see you two discussing nova knives. :) haha yeah, that would be nice :)
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1869	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:15:00 - [15] - Quote So we do know for sure myofibs affect knives? Should be able to make a fit with 2 complex myos do an easy 400 a pop. And then am i right that nova knives hit twice per charge or just the once?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 16	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:18:00 - [16] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: So we do know for sure myofibs affect knives? Should be able to make a fit with 2 complex myos do an easy 400 a pop. And then am i right that nova knives hit twice per charge or just the once? yes nova knives hit twice, but myofybrils dont affect the R1 attack of the knives. they affect the melee attack of the knives, which have no charge time, and a slight lunge effect so, wait 400!?!?! that's insane!!!
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 16	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:20:00 - [17] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: So we do know for sure myofibs affect knives? Should be able to make a fit with 2 complex myos do an easy 400 a pop. And then am i right that nova knives hit twice per charge or just the once? yes nova knives hit twice, but myofybrils dont affect the R1 attack of the knives. they affect the melee attack of the knives, which have no charge time, and a slight lunge effect so, wait 400!?!?! that's insane!!! also with ishukone knives you don't have to worry about not finishing people with one slash
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1870	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:25:00 - [18] - Quote Well I guess I'm just tying to figure out how radar hit me for 897 with only knives. It was within about 1-1.5s. He pretty much one shot me from what I can tell.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 16	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:27:00 - [19] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Well I guess I'm just tying to figure out how radar hit me for 897 with only knives. It was within about 1-1.5s. He pretty much one shot me from what I can tell. it's because advanced and ESPECIALLY proto knives deal INSANE DAMAGE. with proficiency and sometimes without it, you can OHK heavies.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 16	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:28:00 - [20] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Well I guess I'm just tying to figure out how radar hit me for 897 with only knives. It was within about 1-1.5s. He pretty much one shot me from what I can tell. it's because advanced and ESPECIALLY proto knives deal INSANE DAMAGE. with proficiency and sometimes without it, you can OHK heavies. i know a guy named mr musturd who told me heal deals close to 1300 damage with his knives.

ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1870	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:39:00 - [21] - Quote Yeah I'm just wondering.. How though? Is it because of the myofibs? I know complex myofibs can get up to 75% after passives, so two of them is about 140%, and 200 damage on the ishukone knives be would put you at around 400 a shot, ESP after some proficiency and the minja Melee bonus. Then if it hits twice, it would add up to a 900 damage 1 shot. But you're saying myofibs don't affect the R1 attack on knives?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 17	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:45:00 - [22] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Yeah I'm just wondering.. How though? Is it because of the myofibs? I know complex myofibs can get up to 75% after passives, so two of them is about 140%, and 200 damage on the ishukone knives be would put you at around 400 a shot, ESP after some proficiency and the minja Melee bonus. Then if it hits twice, it would add up to a 900 damage 1 shot. But you're saying myofibs don't affect the R1 attack on knives? yeah, basically the 200 is from the uncharged base R1 attack. if you charge it, then i know it does close to 800-1000 without proficiency, add in the Minmatar Scout bonus, proficiency, and just one Complex DMG mod, and that's likely where it comes from. the myofybril stimulants only really affect the R3, but i'm not sure if nova knives get bonus melee damage or not.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1870	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:48:00 - [23] - Quote No kidding... The 200 is base damage before charge? Holy crap wow. Cool thanks for the info man. I would love to get into a knife build, I have all the prerequisite biotics but ive earmarked my next 3 million SP for other basic crap i still need :/ Stupid nerfs...
Gh0st C0de Spirit Collective 7	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:50:00 - [24] - Quote Nova Knives; the one weapon that I never mind being decloned with, because I know the skill it must take to use them effectively. Every time I get Nova slashed I just think "damn... nice one."
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 23	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:51:00 - [25] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: No kidding... The 200 is base damage before charge? Holy crap wow. Cool thanks for the info man. I would love to get into a knife build, I have all the prerequisite biotics but ive earmarked my next 3 million SP for other basic crap i still need :/ Stupid nerfs... lol good luck bro, and no problem.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 23	Posted - 2013.08.27 20:53:00 - [26] - Quote Gh0st C0de wrote: Nova Knives; the one weapon that I never mind being decloned with, because I know the skill it must take to use them effectively. Every time I get Nova slashed I just think "damn... nice one." haha yeah, i know what you mean.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3780	Posted - 2013.08.27 21:21:00 - [27] - Quote Hello Tranquil, nice to see a fellow ninja knifer here. I wanted to step in and point out a few things. First off, nova knife damage and melee damage are completely separate from each other. That means that nova knifes are affected only by sidearm damage mods because they are technically sidearms while the melee (the butt end of your rifle or your fist) is affected only by the myofibral stimulants. None of the bonuses of one mod crosses into the other. Also, since nova knives don't have the lunge feature like the melee does, you will have to learn how to anticipate your enemy's movement like you are playing chess. Otherwise, you will miss your target even with the sprint/charge bug that you mentioned. I have ran into multiple occasions where I had to use the instant attacks in rapid succession in a hectic fight between me and a logibro because the initial attack with the sprint/charge failed to hit him and I had almost no time to redo the glitch. That and tthe fact that occasionaly the constant weapon swapping can cause the weapons to overlap such when my hands were holding the nova knives like an SMG (lol) which forces me to waste precious time swapping weapons again. Here are my various fits I use. [Vagabond] Scout MK.0 x1 ishukone nova knives x1 militia smg x2 enhanced kinetic catalyzers x2 enhanced sidearmm damage mods x1 enhanced shield extender x1 flux grenade x1 actiive scanner [Dramiel] scout MK.0 x1 ishukone nova knives x1 militia smg x1 flux grenade x1 r-9 drop uplinks x2 enhanced kin cats x3 enhanced shield extenders [Atron] 'Skinweave' gallente light frame x1 zn-28 knives x1 militia kin cat x1 flux grenade x1 miltia smg x1 militia shield extender If you notice closely, you will see that I use flux grenades quite often. Those help with softening my targets without putting myself at too much risk.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 23	Posted - 2013.08.27 21:31:00 - [28] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Hello Tranquil, nice to see a fellow ninja knifer here. I wanted to step in and point out a few things. First off, nova knife damage and melee damage are completely separate from each other. That means that nova knifes are affected only by sidearm damage mods because they are technically sidearms while the melee (the butt end of your rifle or your fist) is affected only by the myofibral stimulants. None of the bonuses of one mod crosses into the other. Also, since nova knives don't have the lunge feature like the melee does, you will have to learn how to anticipate your enemy's movement like you are playing chess. Otherwise, you will miss your target even with the sprint/charge bug that you mentioned. I have ran into multiple occasions where I had to use the instant attacks in rapid succession in a hectic fight between me and a logibro because the initial attack with the sprint/charge failed to hit him and I had almost no time to redo the glitch. That and tthe fact that occasionaly the constant weapon swapping can cause the weapons to overlap such when my hands were holding the nova knives like an SMG (lol) which forces me to waste precious time swapping weapons again. Here are my various fits I use. [Vagabond] Scout MK.0 x1 ishukone nova knives x1 militia smg x2 enhanced kinetic catalyzers x2 enhanced sidearmm damage mods x1 enhanced shield extender x1 flux grenade x1 actiive scanner [Dramiel] scout MK.0 x1 ishukone nova knives x1 militia smg x1 flux grenade x1 r-9 drop uplinks x2 enhanced kin cats x3 enhanced shield extenders [Atron] 'Skinweave' gallente light frame x1 zn-28 knives x1 militia kin cat x1 flux grenade x1 miltia smg x1 militia shield extender If you notice closely, you will see that I use flux grenades quite often. Those help with softening my targets without putting myself at too much risk. feels nice to get a reply from you maken. you are right on all parts, but i guess the anticipation part just comes naturally with learning how to use the knives. i just never felt a need to soften a target, but its an excellent idea nonetheless! can we squad up sometime? i'd love to play with another experienced knifer. oh yeah and i know how the myofybril doesn't affect knife damage. that was more for "finishing shots." hope to get another reply from you bro.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 23	Posted - 2013.08.27 21:33:00 - [29] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Hello Tranquil, nice to see a fellow ninja knifer here. I wanted to step in and point out a few things. First off, nova knife damage and melee damage are completely separate from each other. That means that nova knifes are affected only by sidearm damage mods because they are technically sidearms while the melee (the butt end of your rifle or your fist) is affected only by the myofibral stimulants. None of the bonuses of one mod crosses into the other. Also, since nova knives don't have the lunge feature like the melee does, you will have to learn how to anticipate your enemy's movement like you are playing chess. Otherwise, you will miss your target even with the sprint/charge bug that you mentioned. I have ran into multiple occasions where I had to use the instant attacks in rapid succession in a hectic fight between me and a logibro because the initial attack with the sprint/charge failed to hit him and I had almost no time to redo the glitch. That and tthe fact that occasionaly the constant weapon swapping can cause the weapons to overlap such when my hands were holding the nova knives like an SMG (lol) which forces me to waste precious time swapping weapons again. Here are my various fits I use. [Vagabond] Scout MK.0 x1 ishukone nova knives x1 militia smg x2 enhanced kinetic catalyzers x2 enhanced sidearmm damage mods x1 enhanced shield extender x1 flux grenade x1 actiive scanner [Dramiel] scout MK.0 x1 ishukone nova knives x1 militia smg x1 flux grenade x1 r-9 drop uplinks x2 enhanced kin cats x3 enhanced shield extenders [Atron] 'Skinweave' gallente light frame x1 zn-28 knives x1 militia kin cat x1 flux grenade x1 miltia smg x1 militia shield extender If you notice closely, you will see that I use flux grenades quite often. Those help with softening my targets without putting myself at too much risk. feels nice to get a reply from you maken. you are right on all parts, but i guess the anticipation part just comes naturally with learning how to use the knives. i just never felt a need to soften a target, but its an excellent idea nonetheless! can we squad up sometime? i'd love to play with another experienced knifer. oh yeah and i know how the myofybril doesn't affect knife damage. that was more for "finishing shots." hope to get another reply from you bro. i also noticed the gun overlapping glitch, often times when i miss the initial sprint lunge, the guy either doesn't notice me, or i can tank the damage he deals so i can close in aand kill him. that's where the 516 hp comes in handy :)
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3780	Posted - 2013.08.27 21:40:00 - [30] - Quote You can find me in the 'Scouts United' chat channel. There you will see a ton of minjas out there. Often times you get to run alongside your natural predator: the shotgunner.



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