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Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1356	Posted - 2013.08.28 19:11:00 - [91] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Very interesting, I'm definitely going to throw on a couple of knives for an alterna-fit. I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness? Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system? You're dead on with the second thought. Passive scanning on all suits is set to 10 meters for whatever reason, so as long as you are not within 10 meters of someone (and remember because of the point of view the distance is actually greater than it appears, so 10 meters will appear as though you are right on someone's back) then there is no point in using dampeners. Just sneak around outside, you're profile signature could be 100dB and no one will notice.
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 436	Posted - 2013.08.28 20:24:00 - [92] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Very interesting, I'm definitely going to throw on a couple of knives for an alterna-fit. I did not see anyone mention profile dampeners, is it more important to get that massive OHK, rather than boost your sneakiness? Or, is the sensor system right now not optimal for sneaking, so the sneaky path should tehnically be an alternative path, just not viable right now within the constraints of the current system? Shared squad vision, the stamina nerf,strafing speeds an hit detection on the weapons we use is very bad for us right now. It will be interesting to see how 1.4 effects us, but since 1.2 it's just not practical to equip dampeners for a lot of scouts. Most minmatar scouts need a red an green jar on the lows because of the stamina nerf, I used to just use complex reds but now that the hotbox has been messed up by increasing in size the faster you run which is a nasty death sentence for us especially with the explosive weapon spam. Medium frame have stole our roles, they can move faster due to more slots an have higher survivability, it would be nice if our CPU / pg was increased or even if we had another low on the mini an another high on the gallente, there's no real advantage right now in proto scout fits, maybe 1.4 will help but as of now most scouts have their profile skills high but it's just not worth trading certain mods for profile dampeners, every scout fitting is a catch 22 situation even with CPU an pg skills almost maxed. If I want high shields 2 weapons an my equipment I need a CPU chip in the low, if I wanna go fast or have stamina an have high shields I gotta have maybe no grenade , no equipment an one weapon, an since hit detection is poor on sg an nk an remotes fizzle, having only one weapon is a bad idea. Hopefully ccp, takes another look at our slots an base stats then compares them to what medium frames can fit an somehow balances our CPU percentage to make a scout suit fit the things we need. Nova knives are great weapons an I know ccp wants us to be a sneaky class, but there isn't a minmatar scout out there that's going to equip pd to replace speed, although this might change once shared vision is disabled, technically hit an run a disappear is flawed due to shared vision an stamina nerfs, an hit detection an strafing fixes could really make a difference in 1.4 since now you could be behind a guy an he wiggles way too much to get a effective strike, it doesn't register, an because of the catch 22 situation with the suit you might only have one weapon, he's alerted to your presence turns around an ur dead, when in all honesty he shoulda been dead first strike. So hopefully these things get looked at an scouts get a buff, the fact that no one uses them except the people that already have too much sp tied up in them should tell you something about them is flawed
Shotty GoBang Intara Direct Action Caldari State 688	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:24:00 - [93] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts Facepalms
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 33	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:41:00 - [94] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts Facepalms lol why?
Extraneus Tenebrarum THE BOSSES 34	Posted - 2013.08.28 22:49:00 - [95] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts Facepalms lol why? Even matching speed with a scout should be dificult but he is going faster than most scouts
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 33	Posted - 2013.08.28 23:05:00 - [96] - Quote Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts Facepalms lol why? Even matching speed with a scout should be dificult but he is going faster than most scouts i agree, it needs work. i got that fast by stacking complex kinetic catalyzers though, which many people dont do. i hope the scout gets fixed, as ever since i started using nova knives (long ago) i've wanted to go minmatar scout, but the pg/cpu isn't enough to fit what i need with nova knives as you can see my OP, and i dont have NEARLY enough unallocated sp to do that.
Shotty GoBang Intara Direct Action Caldari State 689	Posted - 2013.08.29 01:24:00 - [97] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts Facepalms lol why? Nothing you said, Tranquil. Thank you for sharing your successes with us. Perhaps we'll see greater distinction between Scouts and Mediums in future builds.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 36	Posted - 2013.08.29 01:55:00 - [98] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts Facepalms lol why? Nothing you said, Tranquil. Thank you for sharing your successes with us. Perhaps we'll see greater distinction between Scouts and Mediums in future builds. i agree and i am more than happy to anytime.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3818	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:06:00 - [99] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts) Try 9.63m/s. And I'm stacking enhanced kin cats on my Minmatar scout.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 36	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:09:00 - [100] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts) Try 9.63m/s. And I'm stacking enhanced kin cats on my Minmatar scout. awesome my minmatar scout m/1 series runs at 10.55 m/s

OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 437	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:27:00 - [101] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts) Try 9.63m/s. And I'm stacking enhanced kin cats on my Minmatar scout. awesome my minmatar scout m/1 series runs at 10.55 m/s How does it go 10:55? Mines 10:36 with biotics maxed
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 36	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:31:00 - [102] - Quote OZAROW wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts) Try 9.63m/s. And I'm stacking enhanced kin cats on my Minmatar scout. awesome my minmatar scout m/1 series runs at 10.55 m/s How does it go 10:55? Mines 10:36 with biotics maxed you sure? cuz with kin cats at 3, using AUR kin kats, i ran at 10.36. now its at 5, so it should run about 10.5, because of the efficacy increase? maybe i read it wrong. if so, my bad, but you get the point lol its really fast
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 437	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:32:00 - [103] - Quote I have cores at 4 an if I go 3 complex shields an 2 proto reds I can only fit my knives, maybe a toxin or a equip if I lower my shields but not all. If I wanna fill all slots I gotta run lv 1 grenades, r/e , an toxin just to have that speed an only like 270 shields, while every other med suit can rok almost all proto on all slots, makes no sence how low our cores are even after upgrades
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 437	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:35:00 - [104] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OZAROW wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i run at about 9.15 m/s (which is faster than MOST scouts) Try 9.63m/s. And I'm stacking enhanced kin cats on my Minmatar scout. awesome my minmatar scout m/1 series runs at 10.55 m/s How does it go 10:55? Mines 10:36 with biotics maxed you sure? cuz with kin cats at 3, using AUR kin kats, i ran at 10.36. now its at 5, so it should run about 10.5, because of the efficacy increase? maybe i read it wrong. if so, my bad, but you get the point lol its really fast Maybe mines not kicking in due to a glitch but I'm almost positive it's 10.36, let's both check our mini fits tonight an share our findings here if you don't mind posting for me, I'm wondering if mines broke
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 36	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:35:00 - [105] - Quote OZAROW wrote: I have cores at 4 an if I go 3 complex shields an 2 proto reds I can only fit my knives, maybe a toxin or a equip if I lower my shields but not all. If I wanna fill all slots I gotta run lv 1 grenades, r/e , an toxin just to have that speed an only like 270 shields, while every other med suit can rok almost all proto on all slots, makes no sence how low our cores are even after upgrades seriously? this is why it needs to be fixed soon, like i showed in my OP, i can fit 390 shields and complex kin kats with cores only at 2 and a pg upgrade
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 36	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:38:00 - [106] - Quote sure i don't mind, but i'm gonna have to post them on friday, because i'm letting one of my good friends borrow my ps3 for the week, since he doesn't have one. i'm really sorry...
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 36	Posted - 2013.08.29 02:49:00 - [107] - Quote hey guys i got to get to bed. i'll be back on tomorrow afternoon
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 439	Posted - 2013.08.29 05:12:00 - [108] - Quote 390 shields an 1055 speed? Minmatar scout proto? Highest I get is 343 I believe, shield upgrades an extension 5 Wtf u sure? If so I'm getting jipped!
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 38	Posted - 2013.08.29 10:47:00 - [109] - Quote OZAROW wrote: 390 shields an 1055 speed? Minmatar scout proto? Highest I get is 343 I believe, shield upgrades an extension 5 Wtf u sure? If so I'm getting jipped! lol nah, it's not 390 shields, its more i like near 200-240 on the scout at 10.55 running. the 390 comes from my caldari nova knife fit which has 390 shield +126 armor and runs at 9.16 m/s
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 439	Posted - 2013.08.29 14:22:00 - [110] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OZAROW wrote: 390 shields an 1055 speed? Minmatar scout proto? Highest I get is 343 I believe, shield upgrades an extension 5 Wtf u sure? If so I'm getting jipped! lol nah, it's not 390 shields, its more i like near 200-240 on the scout at 10.55 running. the 390 comes from my caldari nova knife fit which has 390 shield +126 armor and runs at 9.16 m/s Minmatar scout? Mine does 10:36 two complex kinetics, are you adding the efficiency or reading what it says on the fit, that makes no sence if mines slower

Travi Zyg G I A N T EoN. 96	Posted - 2013.08.29 14:32:00 - [111] - Quote minnie MK.0 Ishukone Knives Militia SMG/plasma cannon Proto nades Compact hive Complex extenders Complex kinetic Complex Cardiac thats all i ever need, gets the job done and you all get cut up, i rarely get picked up in the scouts united channel cuz everyone has their little cliques there but its all good, i like going in solo and helping random squads out. the ones who have squadded with me know whats up, big time. Niuvo knows for sure ;) squad with him more than anyone there usually.
Lightning Bolt2 Binary Mercs 132	Posted - 2013.08.29 14:47:00 - [112] - Quote I used to own with only knives on my fit, but hit detection sooooooooooooooo broken I can't do well anymore, just slashing the scout trying to hack an objective with knives.... AT THIS POINT I ONLY WANT MY HIT DETECTION FIXED CCP!!!! Scouts are already UP as is because an assault can get near a scouts max speed but at the same time have 2-3(or mabye 4) times the EHP, but IDC AT THIS POINT I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO DAMAGE PEOPLE IN A MELEE BATTLE!!!
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 440	Posted - 2013.08.29 15:33:00 - [113] - Quote Travi Zyg wrote: minnie MK.0 Ishukone Knives Militia SMG/plasma cannon Proto nades Compact hive Complex extenders Complex kinetic Complex Cardiac thats all i ever need, gets the job done and you all get cut up, i rarely get picked up in the scouts united channel cuz everyone has their little cliques there but its all good, i like going in solo and helping random squads out. the ones who have squadded with me know whats up, big time. Niuvo knows for sure ;) squad with him more than anyone there usually. Message me I ll run wit ya, I run solo too
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 440	Posted - 2013.08.29 15:35:00 - [114] - Quote Lightning Bolt2 wrote: I used to own with only knives on my fit, but hit detection sooooooooooooooo broken I can't do well anymore, just slashing the scout trying to hack an objective with knives.... AT THIS POINT I ONLY WANT MY HIT DETECTION FIXED CCP!!!! Scouts are already UP as is because an assault can get near a scouts max speed but at the same time have 2-3(or mabye 4) times the EHP, but IDC AT THIS POINT I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO DAMAGE PEOPLE IN A MELEE BATTLE!!! My shotgun decided to work today an so did my knives, what a rush I hated this game for two months till today!
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 38	Posted - 2013.08.29 18:23:00 - [115] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Travi Zyg wrote: minnie MK.0 Ishukone Knives Militia SMG/plasma cannon Proto nades Compact hive Complex extenders Complex kinetic Complex Cardiac thats all i ever need, gets the job done and you all get cut up, i rarely get picked up in the scouts united channel cuz everyone has their little cliques there but its all good, i like going in solo and helping random squads out. the ones who have squadded with me know whats up, big time. Niuvo knows for sure ;) squad with him more than anyone there usually. Message me I ll run wit ya, I run solo too yeah i run solo as well, that would be a freaking epic squad
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 38	Posted - 2013.08.29 18:26:00 - [116] - Quote OZAROW wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OZAROW wrote: 390 shields an 1055 speed? Minmatar scout proto? Highest I get is 343 I believe, shield upgrades an extension 5 Wtf u sure? If so I'm getting jipped! lol nah, it's not 390 shields, its more i like near 200-240 on the scout at 10.55 running. the 390 comes from my caldari nova knife fit which has 390 shield +126 armor and runs at 9.16 m/s Minmatar scout? Mine does 10:36 two complex kinetics, are you adding the efficiency or reading what it says on the fit, that makes no sence if mines slower i might have read it wrong, if so, my bad. i haven't been able to get on all week, since i dont have my ps3
chode ibex Paperthinz 9	Posted - 2013.08.29 18:49:00 - [117] - Quote Is it worth it going proto minnie? I usually use the adv and if im really broke I just stick with dragonfly. Get killed too much with them medium ARsholes mercs only proto i use is the knife
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 38	Posted - 2013.08.29 18:57:00 - [118] - Quote chode ibex wrote: Is it worth it going proto minnie? I usually use the adv and if im really broke I just stick with dragonfly. Get killed too much with them medium ARsholes mercs only proto i use is the knife depends. as of right now, the proto minnie scout has some pg/cpu issues, which i'm sure will be fixed in time, but it all depends on what you want. going proto in an assault suit will get you more EHP and the speed of a scout, but if the scout gets fixed, it will outmatch the assault when it comes to nova knives. i use an assault suit(because that's the only proto i had when i started using nova knives) but i would giva anything to switch to proto minnie scout. its all up to personal preference.
chode ibex Paperthinz 9	Posted - 2013.08.29 19:02:00 - [119] - Quote Yeah too heavy for my wallet. I'm a full time scout for a while now and I just dont want to go proto on any drop suit gal or min, until I have enough monies to use >_< The only time I dont use scout is if im really out of isk.
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 440	Posted - 2013.08.29 22:51:00 - [120] - Quote chode ibex wrote: Is it worth it going proto minnie? I usually use the adv and if im really broke I just stick with dragonfly. Get killed too much with them medium ARsholes mercs only proto i use is the knife Really depends on ur play style but I'd u wanna run knives an be serious force then it's worth it for the knive damage but not the suit itself, basically no other suit in the game can move like it, I hate using my dragonfly it seams so sluggish in comparison , I'd rathe use a basic mini if I'm playing cheap. The only real bonus is the knife damage, but if u have advanced , leave it there for now an get pro 5 on ur knives first an up your core skills to 4 at least . Going to pro 5 on the blades is cheaper than levels 4/5 in the suit then if ur not committed you never wasted the sp, but lv 4/5 in the suit will give 10% more damage. I have 17.5 million sp all side arms at pro 3/4 an core at 4 if I was you I would max all passive skills get a scanner an max all reduction skills first then finish off the suit. Weapon operation side an light Explosives Shield an armor upgrades Biotics reds an greens Core skills Knive pro5 Ad shotgun Pro 5 on a smg R/e lv one And you ll have a bad a$$ suit



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