... Those are the blast radii from Chromosome if you pulled them off the web...

You're sure nothing else hit you?

Tired of people saying the AR is easy mode. A gun that 80% of the time you have to ADS Vs. a weapon that probably doesn't even need a sight? I told my friend to spec into the MD and hes a relatively new player. He went 16-2, 13-3 and 12-1 in his first 3 matches.

Those are the blast radii from Chromosome if you pulled them off the web.

Boundless is now 6.6m

Another thing i've noticed, I know other people in TP have noticed this.

My shield stacked cal logi 502/163 will often taken 900 damage from a core locus and i'll be one shot.

I've heard similar reports from other shield stacked players as well.

Something is seriously wrong with explosives in this game.

i've been hit by a militia locus for 600 damage before too.

Either situation is mathematically impossible as well, same with how I died in 4 shots from that freedom MD.

OK, I went ahead and logged in to do some math.

Freedom MD with proficiency 3 does 139 damage per round for splash which is 111 to shields or 166 to armor per second. The Freedom fires 1 round per second. I think we can all agree that's pretty much a guaranteed hit under many conditions. Direct damage was not figured because that is not how most MD users aim.

Duvolle AR with proficiency 3 does 40 damage per round which is 48 to shields or 32 to armor (I think) for 600 or 400 per second. The AR fires 12.5 rounds per second. You need to land 18% of your shots to match the damage potential of the Freedom against shields or 41% when against armor.

What is the shield buffer on a Caldari Assault and Logistics? I run a hybrid tank on a Minmatar Logistics and my best suit would take at least 3 shots to strip my shields and just over 2 to finish off my armor. That's 5 shots over 5 seconds. During that time the Duvolle has the potential to do over 2,000 points of damage if all the rounds hit. If I was carrying a Freedom you'd have to land better than 35% of your shots before I took down another Minmatar Logistics fit the same way but with a Duvolle.

The Freedom user has the ability to hit multiple enemy but then they have the ability to apply more damage if they are facing a single MD user.

Let me know if I failed at math anywhere. I'm just trying to compare the damage potential here. This analysis is not intended to support either side.

Another thing i've noticed, I know other people in TP have noticed this.

My shield stacked cal logi 502/163 will often taken 900 damage from a core locus and i'll be one shot.

I've heard similar reports from other shield stacked players as well.

Something is seriously wrong with explosives in this game.

i've been hit by a militia locus for 600 damage before too.

Either situation is mathematically impossible as well, same with how I died in 4 shots from that freedom MD.

The problem with LAVs killing was the collision system registering the hit many times amplifying the damage done to crazy levels. I'd interested to know how the explosion damage was 'fixed' going from only detecting on a plane to being a sphere. Hopefully, it wasn't the same programmer. ;-)

The Core Locus does 600 damage, so about 480 to shields. You should have had something left over.

Someone needs to do a controlled test. That someone should be CCP of course but if you posted a video showing one shot at a time from a Freedom and counted the damage it could help.

Someone needs to do a controlled test. That someone should be CCP of course but if you posted a video showing one shot at a time from a Freedom and counted the damage it could help.

Yes but there are other things that are hard to quantify as well. For instance if you are in the MD blast radius then when you get hit it causes your aim to jerk upwards. The amount of jerking for you aim is significant enough that it takes about a second (maybe a tad bit less) for your aim to be adjusted back down (its done automatically). During that time you shots will obviously go wide and not hit your target. Like you said the MD fires ~1 round a second lets say. So MD can fire mess with your aim and by the time you aim recovers the MD can fire again...thus continuing to force the weapon off of target. This essentially means that a MD user can effectively take an AR user head to head and will actually not have to worry about being shot back.

The problem with LAVs killing was the collision system registering the hit many times amplifying the damage done to crazy levels. I'd interested to know how the explosion damage was 'fixed' going from only detecting on a plane to being a sphere. Hopefully, it wasn't the same programmer. ;-)

The Core Locus does 600 damage, so about 480 to shields. You should have had something left over.

LAVs have nothing to do with I posted, unless you mean to say you think there is a similar bug with explosives applying damage multiple times?

Even if I had all armor a Core locus cannot do 900 damage, that's a 50% bonus straight through. Something aint right.

Honestly, all weapons except the laser rifle should cause at least a little knock back, including the AR. Since the MD is intended to be an AOE weapon I could see the rate of fire being dropped but retaining the shock and obscuring effects for gameplay balance. The battlefield should be a violent place and if someone has the initiative they should be able to keep the enemy off balance to some degree. Where the balance between combat sim and gameplay is I have no idea though.

Right. Just speculating that the damage could be applied multiple times like with the current LAV bug.

erhaps.....I think its kinda weird because we are in dropsuit can can drop from orbit and land unharmed on the planets surface....it seems odd that a small explosive would cause you to jerk (this is also why getting run over by an LAV does not make sense to me in this game). The biggest problem with balance is really the AOE..I would be willing to wait to see if a change to AOE would be enough to balance this weapon b4 anything else is done.

Right. Just speculating that the damage could be applied multiple times like with the current LAV bug.

When you drop you activate an inertial dampener to counter the fall. This brings up an interesting idea: activating the dampener when explosive weapons are being chucked your way as a counter. Maybe it would be a defensive module designed to counter them and you could switch to a suit fitted with them when you find yourself facing an enemy that is relying on them.

Eh, crazy idea. Just putting it out there.

It would be too complex....CCP cant even get the ground right so you get stuck on it...you really think they would get this to be done correctly?

They do get it right eventually.. it just usually takes 4-5 patches lol.

Really?? Because you still get stuck on the ground and that was a problem in August 2012 when I started playing..........

Yeah.... well I'm sure moving to uprising didn't help at all... so give them 4-5 more patches to fix the ground stick issues.

I know they are working on a new system to find these problems.

Must be part of their 5 year plan.........

Tired of people saying the AR is easy mode. A gun that 80% of the time you have to ADS Vs. a weapon that probably doesn't even need a sight? I told my friend to spec into the MD and hes a relatively new player. He went 16-2, 13-3 and 12-1 in his first 3 matches.