1.Ars kill faster then that even militia
2.He killed enemies at about 35% of their health
3.The one guy with full health took four shoots
4 . Enemies in best situation for Md
5.Ars are on hitscan
6.Op biomass is on character select screen

whereas your ar with aim assist is... hard to use?

Freedom Mass Driver

Direct Damage: 266.2 HP
Splash Damage: 127.6 HP
Blast Radius: 4.4m (5.5m with operation 5)

However these stats can't show the full picture. I actually counted last night going against a Freedom Mass Driver, it took him 4 shots to kill me while I was trying to take him down.

my hp:
502 Shields
163 Armor

Seems mathematically impossible for that to happen no matter how many damage mods you stack. Something is very wrong with explosives damage calculation, I can't imagine any of the hits against me were direct hits either I could see the shots after all.

Those are the blast radii from Chromosome if you pulled them off the web.

Boundless is now 6.6m

OK, I went ahead and logged in to do some math.

Freedom MD with proficiency 3 does 139 damage per round for splash which is 111 to shields or 166 to armor per second. The Freedom fires 1 round per second. I think we can all agree that's pretty much a guaranteed hit under many conditions. Direct damage was not figured because that is not how most MD users aim.

Duvolle AR with proficiency 3 does 40 damage per round which is 48 to shields or 32 to armor (I think) for 600 or 400 per second. The AR fires 12.5 rounds per second. You need to land 18% of your shots to match the damage potential of the Freedom against shields or 41% when against armor.

What is the shield buffer on a Caldari Assault and Logistics? I run a hybrid tank on a Minmatar Logistics and my best suit would take at least 3 shots to strip my shields and just over 2 to finish off my armor. That's 5 shots over 5 seconds. During that time the Duvolle has the potential to do over 2,000 points of damage if all the rounds hit. If I was carrying a Freedom you'd have to land better than 35% of your shots before I took down another Minmatar Logistics fit the same way but with a Duvolle.

The Freedom user has the ability to hit multiple enemy but then they have the ability to apply more damage if they are facing a single MD user.

Let me know if I failed at math anywhere. I'm just trying to compare the damage potential here. This analysis is not intended to support either side.

Another thing i've noticed, I know other people in TP have noticed this.

My shield stacked cal logi 502/163 will often taken 900 damage from a core locus and i'll be one shot.

I've heard similar reports from other shield stacked players as well.

Something is seriously wrong with explosives in this game.

i've been hit by a militia locus for 600 damage before too.

Either situation is mathematically impossible as well, same with how I died in 4 shots from that freedom MD.

Someone needs to do a controlled test. That someone should be CCP of course but if you posted a video showing one shot at a time from a Freedom and counted the damage it could help.

Honestly, all weapons except the laser rifle should cause at least a little knock back, including the AR. Since the MD is intended to be an AOE weapon I could see the rate of fire being dropped but retaining the shock and obscuring effects for gameplay balance. The battlefield should be a violent place and if someone has the initiative they should be able to keep the enemy off balance to some degree. Where the balance between combat sim and gameplay is I have no idea though.

Right. Just speculating that the damage could be applied multiple times like with the current LAV bug.

When you drop you activate an inertial dampener to counter the fall. This brings up an interesting idea: activating the dampener when explosive weapons are being chucked your way as a counter. Maybe it would be a defensive module designed to counter them and you could switch to a suit fitted with them when you find yourself facing an enemy that is relying on them.

Eh, crazy idea. Just putting it out there.

They do get it right eventually.. it just usually takes 4-5 patches lol.

Yeah.... well I'm sure moving to uprising didn't help at all... so give them 4-5 more patches to fix the ground stick issues.

I know they are working on a new system to find these problems.

6.Ar514
5.True Ar users defend Ars
4. Blast radius on explosives
3. Grenade launcher
2. Stepping on failed QQ attempt(not defense)
1.After termination one can then create new clone.New clones enter battle academy where one my LEARN TO PLAY.

That's pretty simply.

When you touch in direct hit the Blast damage AND direct damage are stacked.
You were touch 4 times IN DIRECT !
Pretty normal that you die.....
In urpising we've been totally nerfed (20% of damage and radius)
And don't forget that 4 shots is 3/4 of the mag and the MD has a huge reload.

This weapon is not totally overpowered because alone without Flux a MD can't win a 1vs1 with same skill point.
And there's too much cases where the MD is useless....

-At less than 4 meters the user will kill himself 1/2.
-If the ennemy is higher than the MD it will be almost impossible to kill.
-On PC the MD can't help allies at CQC because it will make a lot of teamkill.
-On shield ennemy without Flux.
-If using flux in 1/2 of cases it will kill the alilies shield if near the ennemy.

The MD is an weapon perfect on squad (squad team MUST destroy the shield before the MD start shooting)

BUT i'm according to the fact than the blast Radius is maybe too much high on the proto version with the Level 5 of use.
It should be retrogated from one level.
(Proto will have the radius of an actual ADV and ADV of an STD.)
The damage is fine don't forget than it's an primary weapon and that if the radius is downgraded the blast damage will be perfet and not abused. and don't forget that it's a weapon with a lot of drawbacks.

And finally than the MD has been nerfed one time ago...

1.Failed thread
2.Failed at reading comprehension
3.Failed at ignoring op Ar evidence despite videos and hitscan
4.Failed at group focus panic spray is 1v1 ownage
5.Failed at panic bunny hopping is 1v1 ownage
6.Failed at team getting owned by basic pc
7.Failed at Not finding biomass

I think an elegant fix to this would be to change MD operation to something not radius related. This was the same problem the flaylock had too.

How about +10% Ammo a level I could live with that!!

Sooooooo......

A weapon that is supposed to make you run away from an area is killing you cause your in its area?

The way to deal with MDs.

Run away, and engage at a longer distance.

Charging in his face doesn't work.

That just costs your team a clone.

Try using the MD, and then force your face to realize that they need WAY more skill to get kills with a MD then to Point crosshair at target and spam R1.

Are you talking about running and gunning solo like you would with your AR, or are you running with the protection of your squad?

Start the base damage at the current direct damage amount, then follow a realistic (i.e. physics based reality) drop-off based on the surface of an expanding sphere. The further away you are the larger the surface of the sphere and the more spread out the shrapnel will be.

That will reward better targeting and eliminate any argument about sloppy shooting being rewarded. If I drop one right at your feet I get 400 HP, if I'm off four meters I get much less. It would probably get a little damage outside the current radius just like the guns get damage past their optimal with fallloff to reflect the fact that the shrapnel doesn't magically evaporate at a set distance.

Lai Dai Mass Driver

I went there.