Okay okay im sure everyone here will spew the comment "those are two seperate dev teams" but who gives a Fahk. Why would CCP release another fail when they havent even fixed Dust?

How do you feel? Do you think they should put Valkyrie on hold untill Dust is fixed? Maybe they should have devoted that 20% employees (google time) to dust instead of working on their own projects just an idea.

Oh well it looks like Xbirth and Star citizen will be getting my subs once they are released.

Nope. Because DUST is dead anyway. They've given up on it and are only giving small updates to keep us quiet. Dead game is dead.

What's worse, Dust being dead, or you posting on a dead forum?

Okay okay im sure everyone here will spew the comment "those are two seperate dev teams" but who gives a Fahk. Why would CCP release another fail when they havent even fixed Dust?

How do you feel? Do you think they should put Valkyrie on hold untill Dust is fixed? Maybe they should have devoted that 20% employees (google time) to dust instead of working on their own projects just an idea.

Oh well it looks like Xbirth and Star citizen will be getting my subs once they are released.

Okay okay im sure everyone here will spew the comment "those are two seperate dev teams" but who gives a Fahk. Why would CCP release another fail when they havent even fixed Dust?

EvE VR is CCPs insurance policy.

Elite and Star Citizen could very well kill EvE.

This may or may not happen...but it is a definite possibility.

The biggest feature these games have over EvE is real time cockpit combat simulation.

EvE VR is CCPs insurance policy.

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I am very much looking forward to Elite and Star Citizen...i want this kind of game more then Dust more then EvE more then any game i can see on the horizon.

As a consumer the fact that CCP is putting up some competition is great in my opinion.

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Also Dust is killing itself all by itself. And honestly throwing employees at it will not save it. In fact i think Dust could be greatly improved if one person or a small core group (like 3 people) were put in charge and allowed to make their vision....right now Dust feels like it is built by committee and is trying to do everything...and ending up being thin mud as a result.

Star Trek Online was the EVE killer.

Then Star Wars: The Old Republic was the EVE killer.

And that's only counting the Sci-Fi games. Nothing is going to kill EVE, man. No point in even speculating about it.


Also, can someone please give me a reasonable and informed explanation as to why EVE: Valkyrie existing as a project means that either Dust is now on the "back burner", or that it is guaranteed to be bad "just like Dust"?

Star Trek Online was the EVE killer.

Then Star Wars: The Old Republic was the EVE killer.

And that's only counting the Sci-Fi games. Nothing is going to kill EVE, man. No point in even speculating about it.


Also, can someone please give me a reasonable and informed explanation as to why EVE: Valkyrie existing as a project means that either Dust is now on the "back burner", or that it is guaranteed to be bad "just like Dust"?

SWTOR = 6x as fun

lolno.

Okay okay im sure everyone here will spew the comment "those are two seperate dev teams" but who gives a Fahk. Why would CCP release another fail when they havent even fixed Dust?

How do you feel? Do you think they should put Valkyrie on hold untill Dust is fixed? Maybe they should have devoted that 20% employees (google time) to dust instead of working on their own projects just an idea.

Oh well it looks like Xbirth and Star citizen will be getting my subs once they are released.

Absolutely disagree. Individual developer competency in a particular area should determine who does what. The fact that it's separate devs on a separate project for a different platform in a different location means that devoting their extra time to dust rather than E.V. would likely only delay dust development in the short run trying to bring everyone up to speed. Something they probably don't want to do considering the attitudes here.

E.V. isn't taking anything from dust. If E.V. didn't exist it wouldn't change anything for dust. the only reason to be upset is irrationality.

Star Trek Online was the EVE killer.

Then Star Wars: The Old Republic was the EVE killer.

And that's only counting the Sci-Fi games. Nothing is going to kill EVE, man. No point in even speculating about it.

Because the reaction to EVR by players and the press was so overwhelmingly positive they would have to be stupid not to push the dozen or so people who made it to make a full product and cash in on the hype

"Well just about every gaming publication ever said this was the coolest ******* thing they've ever seen, thanks for your thoughts guys I guess we'll just shelve it and never use the idea again"

If you think CCP is not discussing the competition coming from Star Citizen and Elite in their board meetings then I would like to show you a bridge in NY that i would like to sell you.

If you think CCP is not discussing the competition coming from Star Citizen and Elite in their board meetings then I would like to show you a bridge in NY that i would like to sell you.

Forums aren't dead. They're alive with fanboys trying to defend DUST's grave. It's amusing.

Star Citizen looks cool...but the entire time they describe the game, I think to myself "Eve already does all that". The only exception are that fights are more like TIE fighter and Wing Commander. And even in that respect EVE is catching up.

In short: They seem to wanna do exactly what EVE already does or soon will do...the only difference is, EVE already has thousands of players that make the universe "come alive"...while Star Citizens doesn't have a single user so far.

What will Star Citizen offer that EVE won't when it's released?

*crickets*

Fact is, over the years I've heard tons of "omg, game xyz will be released in a month...it'll destroy EVE...I'm gone". Those people then leave EVE for a few months just to return after a while. Happened so many times, I lost count. I belong in that camp myself, tested tooooons of MMOs over the years including SWTOR. Always ended up coming back to EVE because the "world" just feels more alive with real politics and real consequences.

PS: I hope Star Citizen won't just be a dumbed down version of EVE (in terms of complexity) with Wing Commander fights...would be a massive let down. Part of EVE's attraction is a certain complexity.