You fly the space ship. Not point and click.

Jesus look at the star citizen videos and Elite Videos and EvE VR videos...then look at EvE videos.

If you cannot tell the difference then i cannot help you.

"Turn based" is wholly incorrect, but you are correct about the lowered communications speed. You are still free to act and react as fast as the server and client are configured to allow, and this is completely independent of any action you opponent is taking.

Ok, so your issue is the input method and has nothing to do with "real time combat", got it. It's not that I don't get the differences, it's that your comment completely misrepresented what those differences were. And your own communication should be something you can help, so there goes that excuse.

You are correct. Turn based implies everyone waits while orders are compiled for a specific turn.
I was thinking of it in terms of having perhaps five turns per second* and you miss one if you don't give an order.
That works fine for point and click combat and even allows for TD when the server can't process five turns per second.

*five is just a wildass guess.

Sooo...

You want an argument about miscommunication?

Sorry dude go start another thread I am not interested.

Okay okay im sure everyone here will spew the comment "those are two seperate dev teams" but who gives a Fahk. Why would CCP release another fail when they havent even fixed Dust?

How do you feel? Do you think they should put Valkyrie on hold untill Dust is fixed? Maybe they should have devoted that 20% employees (google time) to dust instead of working on their own projects just an idea.

Oh well it looks like Xbirth and Star citizen will be getting my subs once they are released.

Then yes I can see that being more real time. The concept of time should work closer to eve than to dust because of the high speeds involved. That fighter can't instantaneously change directions at high speed so combat against other pilots will be more turned based like you are talking about because of speeds and distances.

SWTOR = 6x as fun

You are right to a point. Valkyrie ships most likely wouldn't change velocity radically like a dancing merc, but would still have much tighter timing requirements than EVE combat. Imagine two ships flying toward each other and how important it would be to start firing at a precise instant.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=270956&find=unread

People around here embrace this but they say hell no to Star Citizen, the fanboi'ism runs very deep in GD.

Real time space combat. I know why i do not play EvE and that is the reason.

Both EVR and DUST are FP running in real time while EVE is turn based (fast turns until you get to TD, but turns nonetheless).

some startlingly stupid comments in this thread.

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yes think those are two separate dev teams,

What the f*** is this thread? If the forums let me, I'd have around 5 people quoted, but there's a limit, so consider yourself lucky.

As someone already pointed out, OP is ignorant. Ignorant of the fact that Valkyrie was developed to a playable demo before DUST 514 was even released in May, so it already existed as a game before DUST "became a failure."

All this "spreadsheet" nonsense is also entirely ignorant because you only work with spreadsheets when dealing with the industrial/economic side of EVE. If you're going to say that pvp in EVE is spreadsheet based, then so is CoD or Counter Strike or any other game where you can choose what offense and defense to equip.

I was going to yell at the "turn based" guy as well but then he clarified and so now he just gets more counter points. Combat in EVE is slower because the whole game is basically vehicle combat, which little of in any game is "twitch." Tanks don't strafe dance in any game and most have enough armor to take a few hits and big guns take longer to fire which slows down combat
Spaceships are really no different.The best one can hope for is either strafing runs or orbiting, in either vehicle's case, which is what you do in EVE. You can also manually fly your ship in space by clicking in space, which I hear is more important in smaller ship size fights, but I'm sh*t at frigate 1v1s.

In response to Star Citizen's cockpit views, you're only going to want that for the smaller ship sizes, for if it's realistic at all then the larger ships will be just as cumbersome as they're supposed to be and then you'll want EVE's flight mechanics so that you can focus on the fun stuff instead of trying to turn your space truck.

Also, for Valkyrie to be integrated with EVE would mean that your fighter drones, which used to be wholly under your command, might now become "special snowflakes" that do their own thing and might not shoot at what you want them to shoot at which could cost dearly. They'd have to figure out how to balance that out.

Now before I get labled a "fanboy" for "defending" EVE, it's just that I hate ignorance. I do play EVE but only because some of my friends do but lately they've been playing a lot of Minecraft and I couldn't be happier. :)

If you're going to say that pvp in EVE is spreadsheet based, then so is CoD or Counter Strike or any other game where you can choose what offense and defense to equip.

What the f*** is this thread? If the forums let me, I'd have around 5 people quoted, but there's a limit, so consider yourself lucky.

As someone already pointed out, OP is ignorant. Ignorant of the fact that Valkyrie was developed to a playable demo before DUST 514 was even released in May, so it already existed as a game before DUST "became a failure."

All this "spreadsheet" nonsense is also entirely ignorant because you only work with spreadsheets when dealing with the industrial/economic side of EVE. If you're going to say that pvp in EVE is spreadsheet based, then so is CoD or Counter Strike or any other game where you can choose what offense and defense to equip.

I was going to yell at the "turn based" guy as well but then he clarified and so now he just gets more counter points. Combat in EVE is slower because the whole game is basically vehicle combat, which little of in any game is "twitch." Tanks don't strafe dance in any game and most have enough armor to take a few hits and big guns take longer to fire which slows down combat
Spaceships are really no different.The best one can hope for is either strafing runs or orbiting, in either vehicle's case, which is what you do in EVE. You can also manually fly your ship in space by clicking in space, which I hear is more important in smaller ship size fights, but I'm sh*t at frigate 1v1s.

In response to Star Citizen's cockpit views, you're only going to want that for the smaller ship sizes, for if it's realistic at all then the larger ships will be just as cumbersome as they're supposed to be and then you'll want EVE's flight mechanics so that you can focus on the fun stuff instead of trying to turn your space truck.

Also, for Valkyrie to be integrated with EVE would mean that your fighter drones, which used to be wholly under your command, might now become "special snowflakes" that do their own thing and might not shoot at what you want them to shoot at which could cost dearly. They'd have to figure out how to balance that out.

Now before I get labled a "fanboy" for "defending" EVE, it's just that I hate ignorance. I do play EVE but only because some of my friends do but lately they've been playing a lot of Minecraft and I couldn't be happier. :)

Also Star Citizen is build for flat screen with oculus support added in later.

EVR was built with oculus at the heart of it.

This is similar to a game built around touch screen interface or mouse interface, they're going to feel worlds apart.

Star Citizen will never be a killer app for the Oculus, just a gimmick.

Someone posting on forums for a game they claim is dead is the epitome of someone with no life.

Nope. Because DUST is dead anyway. They've given up on it and are only giving small updates to keep us quiet. Dead game is dead.

research[/u] led me to RTT (Real Time Tactics) that might be a better fit.