Okay okay im sure everyone here will spew the comment "those are two seperate dev teams" but who gives a Fahk. Why would CCP release another fail when they havent even fixed Dust?

How do you feel? Do you think they should put Valkyrie on hold untill Dust is fixed? Maybe they should have devoted that 20% employees (google time) to dust instead of working on their own projects just an idea.

Oh well it looks like Xbirth and Star citizen will be getting my subs once they are released.

lolno.

Star Trek Online was the EVE killer.

Then Star Wars: The Old Republic was the EVE killer.

And that's only counting the Sci-Fi games. Nothing is going to kill EVE, man. No point in even speculating about it.

Star Citizen looks cool...but the entire time they describe the game, I think to myself "Eve already does all that". The only exception are that fights are more like TIE fighter and Wing Commander. And even in that respect EVE is catching up.

In short: They seem to wanna do exactly what EVE already does or soon will do...the only difference is, EVE already has thousands of players that make the universe "come alive"...while Star Citizens doesn't have a single user so far.

What will Star Citizen offer that EVE won't when it's released?

*crickets*

Fact is, over the years I've heard tons of "omg, game xyz will be released in a month...it'll destroy EVE...I'm gone". Those people then leave EVE for a few months just to return after a while. Happened so many times, I lost count. I belong in that camp myself, tested tooooons of MMOs over the years including SWTOR. Always ended up coming back to EVE because the "world" just feels more alive with real politics and real consequences.

PS: I hope Star Citizen won't just be a dumbed down version of EVE (in terms of complexity) with Wing Commander fights...would be a massive let down. Part of EVE's attraction is a certain complexity.

while Star Citizens doesn't have a single user so far.

What will Star Citizen offer that EVE won't when it's released?

What does this term mean? As I would interpret it I wouldn't count it as something Eve doesn't have.

Ok, so your issue is the input method and has nothing to do with "real time combat", got it. It's not that I don't get the differences, it's that your comment completely misrepresented what those differences were. And your own communication should be something you can help, so there goes that excuse.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=270956&find=unread

People around here embrace this but they say hell no to Star Citizen, the fanboi'ism runs very deep in GD.

some startlingly stupid comments in this thread.

What the f*** is this thread? If the forums let me, I'd have around 5 people quoted, but there's a limit, so consider yourself lucky.

As someone already pointed out, OP is ignorant. Ignorant of the fact that Valkyrie was developed to a playable demo before DUST 514 was even released in May, so it already existed as a game before DUST "became a failure."

All this "spreadsheet" nonsense is also entirely ignorant because you only work with spreadsheets when dealing with the industrial/economic side of EVE. If you're going to say that pvp in EVE is spreadsheet based, then so is CoD or Counter Strike or any other game where you can choose what offense and defense to equip.

I was going to yell at the "turn based" guy as well but then he clarified and so now he just gets more counter points. Combat in EVE is slower because the whole game is basically vehicle combat, which little of in any game is "twitch." Tanks don't strafe dance in any game and most have enough armor to take a few hits and big guns take longer to fire which slows down combat
Spaceships are really no different.The best one can hope for is either strafing runs or orbiting, in either vehicle's case, which is what you do in EVE. You can also manually fly your ship in space by clicking in space, which I hear is more important in smaller ship size fights, but I'm sh*t at frigate 1v1s.

In response to Star Citizen's cockpit views, you're only going to want that for the smaller ship sizes, for if it's realistic at all then the larger ships will be just as cumbersome as they're supposed to be and then you'll want EVE's flight mechanics so that you can focus on the fun stuff instead of trying to turn your space truck.

Also, for Valkyrie to be integrated with EVE would mean that your fighter drones, which used to be wholly under your command, might now become "special snowflakes" that do their own thing and might not shoot at what you want them to shoot at which could cost dearly. They'd have to figure out how to balance that out.

Now before I get labled a "fanboy" for "defending" EVE, it's just that I hate ignorance. I do play EVE but only because some of my friends do but lately they've been playing a lot of Minecraft and I couldn't be happier. :)

If you're going to say that pvp in EVE is spreadsheet based, then so is CoD or Counter Strike or any other game where you can choose what offense and defense to equip.

Also Star Citizen is build for flat screen with oculus support added in later.

EVR was built with oculus at the heart of it.

This is similar to a game built around touch screen interface or mouse interface, they're going to feel worlds apart.

Star Citizen will never be a killer app for the Oculus, just a gimmick.