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Sylwester Dziewiecki Beyond Hypothetical Box 141	Posted - 2013.08.17 16:46:00 - [31] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: just for the record , the only thing i hate about tanks are those that camp in red zone UP in the mountains and who snipe all over the map i respect those who come and fight Your respect will not pay for anyone tank; out of curiosity - what solution do you have for tanks that you "hate"?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 871	Posted - 2013.08.17 16:53:00 - [32] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: just for the record , the only thing i hate about tanks are those that camp in red zone UP in the mountains and who snipe all over the map i respect those who come and fight Well infantry like you cried enough about tanks that you have forced them up ther so you have no option but to deal with it
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 136	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:08:00 - [33] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: kids these days Make a compelling argument why it shouldn't take a small team to destroy a tank, but rather one person with cheap PRO AV should do it. Lets say you are a good FG or swarmer (even worse if you a swarmer since swarm dumb fire has been removed and all you have to defend yourself against infantry is a sidearm and some grenades ) and you enter a match. You get matched up against some good corp that has a good tanker aswell BUT your team is composed of new/n00bs people. You are the ONLY chance to stand up against a tank that kills all on the map. If one man couldnt take down a slow tank and that one man isnt some n00b with militia gear then you might aswell quit the match because that tank is on a rampage and no one can stop him. Most chances are that inside the tank is not only the driver and he still has his team corp team on foot , its not like he is alone in the match , so with that he has even more chances to win. Why do you want people to quit the match? Dont you want to play the game? With no people you are alone , you have no targets , you get no points , nada... So should someone quit the match when he sees that on the other team is a tanker and that his team is weak. People need to have a chance to fight , its a tank , its man made , it can be destroyed , there are anti tank weapons Why do i have to explain basic stuff? srsly
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 136	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:11:00 - [34] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: just for the record , the only thing i hate about tanks are those that camp in red zone UP in the mountains and who snipe all over the map i respect those who come and fight Your respect will not pay for anyone tank; out of curiosity - what solution do you have for tanks that you "hate"? OS is a waste on tanks and i cant go in the enemy red zone let alone get closer to use swarms or FG tanks up in the mountains in red zone that snipe all over the map is a broken gameplay mechanic and it needs to be fixed
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 193	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:13:00 - [35] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: kids these days Make a compelling argument why it shouldn't take a small team to destroy a tank, but rather one person with cheap PRO AV should do it. Clearly you weren't playing (or weren't paying attention) back in December, when it actually did take a small team to kill a tank and therefore, bringing three or more tanks to the battlefield always won the game. If this were an open-world game we might be able to work something out, but in a 16-vs-16 game, it's ridiculously unbalanced to allow one person to take three or four people out of the fight to deal specifically with him. It can take a small team to kill a tank when it takes a small team to operate a tank. Until then, it seems to me the cost needs to be balanced more than battlefield effectiveness. Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: This part makes you look silly. The best thing you can do after being shot by Proto SL if you are in Madruger, is to turn on all hardeners/AR, jump out and recall vehicle - you have time of 5 waves from one guy to finish recalling your vehicle. If you will turn on all modules after second wave, your armor repair unit will not have enough time to start working = 3 waves. Many Armor-tanks get soled by proto SL, and for sure they don't deserve for it. This part makes you look silly. The best thing you can do after being shot at by a Madrugar if you're in an infantry dropsuit is to run for cover and hope he goes away. Many infantry get soloed by tanks, and for sure they don't deserve it. Rock, meet paper. The issues as I see them: 1) AV grenades need to be rebalanced so they're largely ineffective against tanks and dropships. I think they're still needed to deal with LAVs, but even after some of the nerfs, they still make skilling into dedicated AV seem a bit silly. 2) Dropships need love. 3) Vehicles cost too much for people to use them on a regular basis, so unless CCP wants to redefine the skill tree so that you can't skill into vehicles without skilling into infantry first, the cost needs to drop. As it is, people have every right to believe they should be able to play nothing but vehicles in every match, so either make that option viable or take it off the table.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 552	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:13:00 - [36] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: just for the record , the only thing i hate about tanks are those that camp in red zone UP in the mountains and who snipe all over the map i respect those who come and fight translation: OMG y won't these tankers come out of the hills so I can jam a nanohive up my ass and spam my OP av grenades around blind corners to destroy them! You infantry whiners did this. you wanted all tanks to be redline snipers. live with it you little *****.
Purona The Vanguardians 32	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:17:00 - [37] - Quote in my opinion the best Tanks in game shouldn't be easily taken out with hardeners on in my opinion CCP should Increase the Cool down on all modules increase the power of all moduless Increase the Duration of all modules
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation 409	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:23:00 - [38] - Quote I'll just leave this here...
The legend345 TeamPlayers EoN. 905	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:27:00 - [39] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: If a person solos a good tank even with Proto AV, they deserved to die. At least an armor tank. If you chose shield tanks, different story. I can solo a shield tank with flux/MD. lol. Kids these days
sammus420 Goonfeet Top Men. 281	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:28:00 - [40] - Quote Just look at how many hits this tank takes before it dies.

Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1332	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:30:00 - [41] - Quote you're
The legend345 TeamPlayers EoN. 905	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:30:00 - [42] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: If a person solos a good tank even with Proto AV, they deserved to die. At least an armor tank. If you chose shield tanks, different story. I can solo a shield tank with flux/MD. Good tank Its basic against proto AV Good joke If an armor tank gets solo'd they deserved it. But that's harsh considering the crap matchmaking in pubs. You guys still need support dealing with FGers. I don't envy tankers. They certainly need work. For the time being I think they should reduce the cost. excuse me good sir :). Have you tried running a tank in a pc match? Against prof AV lol? Its not fun. Its because of pubbies like yourself that got the tank squashed.
Awesome Pantaloons Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 13	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:32:00 - [43] - Quote Wait wait wait so... let me get this straight. We have infantry... complaining about tactics... that tanks use... to survive the insurmountable odds against them? As a tanker who has spent millions of SP and ISK in tank operation, turrets, and modules, I support that they at least need a price reduction. Better tanks would be sweet. But really, you can't complain about rail-sniping. A tank is a basically a mobile installation. It does what it should. Enforcers especially are meant to be siege tanks. You should be glad that the current enforcers do not buff rails. It makes sense for a rail-sniper to stay away from the danger and bombard from afar. Missile tanks should be more middle-range engagement tanks while blasters get close to deal with infantry. I get to use my tank once every 50 matches or so, because I don't want to lose 800k-1.7mil in isk worth of tank to a few thousand worth of equipment/weapons. It's a sad state of affairs really. Any time the enemy brings in a tank, I don't even need AV 'nades. I just bust out the old WBFG and 2-3 shot it. That's another thing that it took me a lot of SP to get. But the truth is that someone could do comparable damage while spending less sp. :\ I can see both sides of the argument. I know the positions. A buff to tanks would probably annoy me when I was getting hit by one. It would also make me a happy clone to have more viable tanks in my own arsenal. This is as complicated an issue as the LAV-murder taxi debacle and the MD overuse. We need less vague and rage-filled complaints and more constructive criticism.
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 159	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:38:00 - [44] - Quote Money should not be an excuse. CCP should reduce cost on tanks but somehow make it that in order to be effective tanks require more than one person. It doesn't seem fair that just because someone spent a lot of money on a tank that it should require 1/4 of the entire other team to take it out.
YourDeadAgain76 Red Star. EoN. 171	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:55:00 - [45] - Quote Just because of this im gonna rail snipe every RDV i see. (a group of 2 rail tanks will keep all vehicles off the other team.) so you infantry av scrubs can have about as good a chance with ur muder taxi, that a HAV has on a map. Also (i suggest all tankers do the same, and we tankers don't kill each other anymore, LOL). On my Main SaltDog76 i dont even bring out Av anymore for tanks, just LAV's. Kill the &^%& little infantry with av that most likely only bring out AV cuase they got no AR skills. We should do this everyday for a few weeks , lets ruin the game for others like it has been for us tankers. Nerf this, nerf that, this cost to much, that costs to much. Do u &*^%$^ actually or have u ever tried tanking. If you have (your not posting in here.) If you havent and you think its right that a 500,000 to 1.5 million or more isk tank and what 5 million to 12 million or more SP, gets slapped around by a Av dude that costs 100,000 to 200,000 isk and what like 1 to 2 million SP for proto SL or FG. Gimme a break. CCP will probably nerf tanks again, so quit crying and get out your SL and FG, Fly up to a tower, the mushroom, or climb up your ladder to your favorite little spot. Oh but have fun flying your DS up to the tower or mushroom. If you are a DS pilot keep crying, they need a little love. So i say to all tankers, Retire your blaster. Grab your proto Missles, or proto Rail and snipe infantry and RDV's from the safe zone or untill we get nerfed again, or untill they cry some more and wonder why, and its not fair, cause you cant kill them in there unless u suicide into the redline. WA WA WA. Sound familiar you buch of tower FG, SL FA@'S.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz 321	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:55:00 - [46] - Quote The problem is finding some way to balance standard gear. A squad of organized blueberries throwing militia AV nads at the most well fit tank without Infantry interference should be able to make it go boom without too much trouble, simply because Skill > SP, the game is designed this way. SP and ISK cost should be irrelevant, especially because you skilled into tanks knowing the cost. My Proto-Gallente Logi suit has eaten 11.5 SP and is still eating SP, but I'm not going to say it should be invincible to blues shooting Militia ARs at me, they still take me down in a matter of seconds, as they should.
Shokhann Echo Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:56:00 - [47] - Quote hitman's flawed views he talks as if tankers have complete control over who gets in our turrets and assumes we don't have blueberry problems. he also demonstrates how EASY it is to kill a tank solo by just sitting down and spamming 4 av grenades at the tanker (the tanker was stupid for bringing the tank out in the 1st place). av grenades are the problem with AV, along with swarms ability to turn 90* in less than 5 seconds around corners and forges ability to tower snip above everyone's reach.
YourDeadAgain76 Red Star. EoN. 171	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:58:00 - [48] - Quote Oh ....and for the first **** who says its your own fault for bringing in a tank in a pub worth alot of isk with out a good squad to back you up.... STFU Im in EON we are rich ***.
YourDeadAgain76 Red Star. EoN. 171	Posted - 2013.08.17 18:05:00 - [49] - Quote The legend345 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: If a person solos a good tank even with Proto AV, they deserved to die. At least an armor tank. If you chose shield tanks, different story. I can solo a shield tank with flux/MD. Good tank Its basic against proto AV Good joke If an armor tank gets solo'd they deserved it. But that's harsh considering the crap matchmaking in pubs. You guys still need support dealing with FGers. I don't envy tankers. They certainly need work. For the time being I think they should reduce the cost. excuse me good sir :). Have you tried running a tank in a pc match? Against prof AV lol? Its not fun. Its because of pubbies like yourself that got the tank squashed. Yep CCP listens to the people who have been playing for a month and think its not fair. We will get the hammer because it tanks 3 to 6 proto Av nades to destroy a madruger or 2 Proto flux and 2 or 3 proto av to destry a gunny and that aint fair Legend.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 109	Posted - 2013.08.17 18:07:00 - [50] - Quote YourDeadAgain76 wrote: Im in EON we are rich *****. Give me 100 million ISK? Tanks are expensive :P

negative49er The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 117	Posted - 2013.08.17 18:07:00 - [51] - Quote Stop acting like if you in a LLAV you should be invincible
Salt Dog 76 Red Star. EoN. 54	Posted - 2013.08.17 18:33:00 - [52] - Quote Shattered Mirage wrote: YourDeadAgain76 wrote: Im in EON we are rich *****. Give me 100 million ISK? Tanks are expensive :P LOL you funny.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 148	Posted - 2013.08.17 18:35:00 - [53] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: We don't want to be invincible, we want to be competitive, not have 10k's worth of nades destroy over a million ISK. We want our higher tier vehicles, y'all gots your proto gear Maybe rather than post garbage, you understand the situation. I hate when a starter suit with a militia sniper pops my proto logi in the head, that **** should never happen! I'm fine when this happens, so long as they aren't hiding in the redline jerking off to their K/D.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 139	Posted - 2013.08.17 18:38:00 - [54] - Quote sammus420 wrote: Just look at how many hits this tank takes before it dies. tankers in dust514 are lucky yet they want more
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 110	Posted - 2013.08.17 18:38:00 - [55] - Quote Salt Dog 76 wrote: Shattered Mirage wrote: YourDeadAgain76 wrote: Im in EON we are rich *****. Give me 100 million ISK? Tanks are expensive :P LOL you funny. How about you sir? 100 million ISKi? I've heard that you guys in EON hand out over 50 million ISK all day long...
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 377	Posted - 2013.08.17 19:00:00 - [56] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: If you're getting killed by a lone heavy with a FG while driving a tank... That heavy is doing his job. Bugger off with this crap about tanks needing to be stronger. Added note: If the FG wasn't meant to be used in AV, it wouldn't exist for any other use. Sure, we can use it for infantry but with the current aim mishap, it's a little asking of us to be doing what the people with, you know, anti-infantry weapons should be doing while we take on something that can one hit every suit. If a lone heavy with a FG takes you out, you're not doing your job right. Why should we get solo'd?
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2013.08.17 19:15:00 - [57] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: sammus420 wrote: Just look at how many hits this tank takes before it dies. tankers in dust514 are lucky yet they want more Yeah, you didn't watch the video. Hitman's "it ain't world of tanks' comment seemed a bit off. Vehicles are included in this game because most of us who've been playing infantry based FPS games for two decades find it old hat and boring at this point. His solution of not bringing in vehicles at all, is convenient for infantry players, and infantry players only.
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2013.08.17 19:16:00 - [58] - Quote Quote: tankers in dust514 are lucky yet they want more Yeah, you didn't watch the video. Hitman's "it ain't world of tanks' comment seemed a bit off. Vehicles are included in this game as a point of design. People want options beyond pew-pew-pew. His solution of not bringing in vehicles at all, is convenient for infantry players, and infantry players only.
BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homosapiens 99	Posted - 2013.08.17 19:41:00 - [59] - Quote Stop acting like if your in proto-gear you should be invincible. fixed
Viktor Zokas 187. 240	Posted - 2013.08.17 19:47:00 - [60] - Quote Bob Teller wrote: Jeremy The Beast wrote: Yall don't understand. Tanks should never be destroyable by 1 person with a forge gun. They should always require a team of 3-4 people with av weapons. I hate the people who think that 3 av grenades should kill a tank. Same goes for the people who want to patch lavs. NEWS FLASH 2 people with proto swarms on a rooftop and any lav problem is gone. CCP has done a good job to make tanks fair just about how they are now. Let's not ruin that please. Tanks should always require a team of 3-4 players with av to take them out,listen to that guy please On a game mode with only 16 people on each team? Yea... sure. You know, it only takes one person to lay down and set off remotes, are you gonna say that's unfair too that a solo guy can take you out with remotes with a single press of a button? Tanks514 incoming.



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