Read the thread title.

yeah lol. iam nto saying i should be invincible. 1 guy killing a tank by himself wtf? 2 guys killing a tank with swarms. yeah reasonble that the tank blew up. if all it took was 2 guys to kill me then i would be happy. but i expect to be a difficult kill given iam driving a 1.5 mill pice of machenery compared to the cheaper av being used to kill me. raise the price on av and i'll gladly die to something thats a 150k-200k weapon capable of dealing a **** ton of damage to a tank. but a logistics lav should be eaiser to kill than even a stnd HAV.

So many topics like this so I'm just going to copy/paste my response from another thread .

T More and more I am coming up against HAVs that take an incredible amount of damage and keep on rolling. Several of them have taken 7 or more volleys of my proto swarm (3xComplex, Prof 3) and 3 or more Lai Dai and just kept on going as if I was a mosquito buzzing around their ears. Tanks may be paper thin as standard, but as with anything, put enough time/SP into them and they can be a beast.

I do not expect to be able to solo a tank by any means, and if I can, I enjoy it when it is a challenge as opposed to a 10 second fire and forget battle. Once we have proto tanks (god help the cries for AV buff/tank nerf when that happens) then the battlefield will be a lot more even, but people still need to realise that the tank isn't meant to be insta-win. You need a fair SP sink and good fitting to be an intimidating presence on the battlefield.

I have seen several people suggest removing proto AV until we have proto vehicles. I for one would be fine with this and feel it is unfair that one side of the equation has more advanced gear than the other.

But despite all this, we have two major updates on the way, so essenstially all arguments on AV balance are moot until after they arrive.

So many topics like this so I'm just going to copy/paste my response from another thread .

T More and more I am coming up against HAVs that take an incredible amount of damage and keep on rolling. Several of them have taken 7 or more volleys of my proto swarm (3xComplex, Prof 3) and 3 or more Lai Dai and just kept on going as if I was a mosquito buzzing around their ears. Tanks may be paper thin as standard, but as with anything, put enough time/SP into them and they can be a beast.

I do not expect to be able to solo a tank by any means, and if I can, I enjoy it when it is a challenge as opposed to a 10 second fire and forget battle. Once we have proto tanks (god help the cries for AV buff/tank nerf when that happens) then the battlefield will be a lot more even, but people still need to realise that the tank isn't meant to be insta-win. You need a fair SP sink and good fitting to be an intimidating presence on the battlefield.

I have seen several people suggest removing proto AV until we have proto vehicles. I for one would be fine with this and feel it is unfair that one side of the equation has more advanced gear than the other.

But despite all this, we have two major updates on the way, so essenstially all arguments on AV balance are moot until after they arrive.

Straight up lying

3+ Lai Dai = 6k+

7 proto swarms is 3k+ x 7 = 21k+

Total damage on 1 tank is 27k+

Straight up lying

3+ Lai Dai = 6k+

7 proto swarms is 3k+ x 7 = 21k+

Total damage on 1 tank is 27k+

obviously the tim between each volley and each grenade was to far apart to actually kill the tank

7 proto swarms and 3 lai dai AV andes

14k+5.3k
with armor damage bonus
17k+6.3k=23k damage right around the max damage a tank can take before getting destroyed and even then the tank would be on fire with no way to repair

and this is just base without damage mods

Lying? You do realise tanks can have repair and resists right? Smart tankers with good fits know how to take damage and stay alive. I've taken many a shield down only for them to activate a recharge and resist module allowing them to take a pounding. Yes the example I used is rare, but the point is tanks can be viable with a little work.

this is only assuming the target stands still and does not use proper tanks mods. if this is the case the deserves to die to a single guy tossing proto AV at him.

if the driver is not braindead, has his tank skills maxed and proper fit then the driver will activate his stuff and reposition himself and you will never get him. between repairs, resistance mods and the fact that swarms like to crash into the ground against moving targets means that even an armor tank can survive all those hits from a single player quite easily. you will require a second person or a forge gunner to take the tank down.

and if it is a shield tanker than the lolswarms and AV grenades only tickle.

no this is assuming that the tank took all those attacks

directly and used all modules at there most efficient times

an armor tank can not take any damage that exceeds 23k thats the threshold to immediate destruction regardless of what you do

6753 base health+ 6210 from repairs = 12963 total health from armor and repairs

.62 maxresist you can get from armor

12963*.62= an additional 8037 hp which brings your effective hp to 21k +1190 from shields

equals 22k damage before tank goes boom

this is assuming that the tank took all those attacks directly and used all modules at there most efficient times

an armor tank can not take any damage that exceeds around 23k that's the threshold to immediate destruction regardless of what you do

6753 base health+ 6210 from repairs = 12963 total health from armor and repairs

.62 is the max resist you can get from armor. This is with 2 hardeners passive armor reist maxed and Damage control Unit active

12963*.62 grants an additional 8037 hp which brings your effective hp to 21k

if you leveled up shield skills you can gain an additional 100 effective shields and the .09 from Damage Unit brings your total effecitve shield to 1190

which brings the total damage a tank can take before exploding to 22k

there is no way the tank can just shrug off the attacks that guy said without having an outside source stepping in

logis
supply depots
another vehicle with remote repair module

Hahaha not quite if you get a maddy and pummel hard enoigh whilst its reps are o it goes down. If I get 5 shots on a maddy in my glass cannon build it will die reps or not . And 5 shots is aprox 12k dammge.

because you so sure that you get a 3 full hit on a moving llav
you get a full hit if you lucky then im out of there
whats the point in having only lavs that get destroyed in 1 hit?
all you want is easy kill in yo snail character
care to test that?
i have LLAV

why are people so obsessed with proto tanks

we dont particularly need proto tanks

what we need are better modules to put on a better tank just incorporating proto tanks would barely change anything

We don't want to be invincible, we want to be competitive, not have 10k's worth of nades destroy over a million ISK. Between Av and invisble attacks, turret installations locking on and hitting from just about anywhere, the cheap shots are annoying.
We want our higher tier vehicles, y'all gots your proto gear

Maybe rather than post garbage, you understand the situation.

Hahaha not quite if you get a maddy and pummel hard enoigh whilst its reps are o it goes down. If I get 5 shots on a maddy in my glass cannon build it will die reps or not . And 5 shots is aprox 12k dammge.

PRO HAV have PRO stats. This means that they have more PG/CPU and base HP - it's all about that - PRO tanks allow players to fit better modules without suffering from low PG that MLT, STR have ;). We need ADV and PRO vehicles, maybe even RAR someday

can not fit best armor repair module and armor plate on my Madrugar, it's impossible without sacrifice 3 low slots for PG modules.. not mentioning about Turret(I may talking BS right now, but as far I remember it is very difficult to fit that what we was able to fit in previous build).

but power grid is not a problem currently

additoinal power grid could do two things for me

1.allow me to do is put a bigger gun on my tank without losing defense and that doesnt help me against infantry
2 put another .25 hardener but with stacking penalites it would only give an additional .14



and i guess you need to put more points into skills since i can fit the best 180 plate armor and repair modules as well as dual hardeners while only losing 1 low slot to a powergrid module

the only thing i cant put on my tank is a proto turret without lowering my armor extenders but even then i believe that's an intentional choice by CCP so you dont have tanks going around with both the best offense and defense