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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.17 14:33:00 -
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kids these days
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.17 16:33:00 -
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Jeremy The Beast wrote:Yall don't understand. Tanks should never be destroyable by 1 person with a forge gun. They should always require a team of 3-4 people with av weapons. I hate the people who think that 3 av grenades should kill a tank. Same goes for the people who want to patch lavs. NEWS FLASH 2 people with proto swarms on a rooftop and any lav problem is gone. CCP has done a good job to make tanks fair just about how they are now. Let's not ruin that please.
yeah cuz destroying one tank from cover isnt doable
wow some people
"bu bu ich bin tank , i cost mony , i need to kill all , with ease "
go play World of Tanks that way no man can kill you but tanks
http://worldoftanks.com/

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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.17 16:35:00 -
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just for the record , the only thing i hate about tanks are those that camp in red zone UP in the mountains and who snipe all over the map
i respect those who come and fight
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.17 17:08:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:kids these days  Make a compelling argument why it shouldn't take a small team to destroy a tank, but rather one person with cheap PRO AV should do it.
Lets say you are a good FG or swarmer (even worse if you a swarmer since swarm dumb fire has been removed and all you have to defend yourself against infantry is a sidearm and some grenades ) and you enter a match.
You get matched up against some good corp that has a good tanker aswell BUT your team is composed of new/n00bs people.
You are the ONLY chance to stand up against a tank that kills all on the map.
If one man couldnt take down a slow tank and that one man isnt some n00b with militia gear then you might aswell quit the match because that tank is on a rampage and no one can stop him.
Most chances are that inside the tank is not only the driver and he still has his team corp team on foot , its not like he is alone in the match , so with that he has even more chances to win.
Why do you want people to quit the match?
Dont you want to play the game?
With no people you are alone , you have no targets , you get no points , nada...
So should someone quit the match when he sees that on the other team is a tanker and that his team is weak.
People need to have a chance to fight , its a tank , its man made , it can be destroyed , there are anti tank weapons
Why do i have to explain basic stuff?
srsly
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.17 17:11:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:just for the record , the only thing i hate about tanks are those that camp in red zone UP in the mountains and who snipe all over the map
i respect those who come and fight
Your respect will not pay for anyone tank; out of curiosity - what solution do you have for tanks that you "hate"?
OS is a waste on tanks and i cant go in the enemy red zone let alone get closer to use swarms or FG
tanks up in the mountains in red zone that snipe all over the map is a broken gameplay mechanic and it needs to be fixed
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.17 18:38:00 -
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tankers in dust514 are lucky yet they want more

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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.17 21:15:00 -
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sammus420 wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote: It's a rare occurance, but sometimes you run into tanks still these days who manage to get 30+ kills and survive, while being in the frontline.. I don't know how, but they do it.. and can gtfo like nothing I have seen before o.0
Its because those are good tankers, usually in a squad all with voice coms, and the rest of his squad sticks close and defends him. If anyone tries to sneak up on him with AV grenades the infantry calls it out and kills the grenadier. The extra eyes also notice where forge gun fire and swarms are coming from and call it out so the tanker can take cover or deal with it.
exactly
tankers need infantry as much as infantry need tanks , to breach defenses not go full ****** ala rambo then cry when they get destroyed
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.18 00:15:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:We don't want to be invincible, we want to be competitive, not have 10k's worth of nades destroy over a million ISK. Between Av and invisble attacks, turret installations locking on and hitting from just about anywhere, the cheap shots are annoying. We want our higher tier vehicles, y'all gots your proto gear
Maybe rather than post garbage, you understand the situation. T-55 500k-1kk USD RPG rocket 50 USD Ambusher Trooper used RPG rocket It is super effective T-55 blows up. ******* mong, this is one of the stupidest things I've seen you post IWS, and you post some ******* ridiculous things. Show me where the Tank Driver (if he survives) goes to grind for cash to buy a new tank. Now get the **** out you lousy CPM.
you are confusing reality with virtual reality take a chill pill geez

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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.18 00:29:00 -
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Shokhann Echo wrote:Viktor Zokas wrote:Bob Teller wrote:Jeremy The Beast wrote:Yall don't understand. Tanks should never be destroyable by 1 person with a forge gun. They should always require a team of 3-4 people with av weapons. I hate the people who think that 3 av grenades should kill a tank. Same goes for the people who want to patch lavs. NEWS FLASH 2 people with proto swarms on a rooftop and any lav problem is gone. CCP has done a good job to make tanks fair just about how they are now. Let's not ruin that please. Tanks should always require a team of 3-4 players with av to take them out,listen to that guy please  On a game mode with only 16 people on each team? Yea... sure. You know, it only takes one person to lay down and set off remotes, are you gonna say that's unfair too that a solo guy can take you out with remotes with a single press of a button? Tanks514 incoming. it wont be tank 514 unless infantry becomes obsolete, jut because people go for something you don't like doesn't make it invalid well some tankers want you to die if you touch their tank and they want to run ppl over in tanks

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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.18 00:37:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:just for the record , the only thing i hate about tanks are those that camp in red zone UP in the mountains and who snipe all over the map
i respect those who come and fight
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.18 12:12:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:if i need to pay aprox 1.5 mill to use my madrugar or 2.5 for my vayu why should i be an easy kill? i SHOULD be the hardest thing to kill. but apparntly the chabrydis gets that trophy/glory. i mean really a JEEP is harden to kill than a big mother ******* HAV?
tanks are slower because they heavy so the time to get hits on them is bigger
tanks have more armor/shield than any LAV
lavs are faster because they smaller so the time to hit them is little
tank drivers can shoot long distance without changing seats
lav drivers cant shoot unless they switch places to a close range turret
if you park a lav and a tank and shoot them i doubt a tank would go boom first
basic stuff really you choose to ignore
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.18 14:12:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:if i need to pay aprox 1.5 mill to use my madrugar or 2.5 for my vayu why should i be an easy kill? i SHOULD be the hardest thing to kill. but apparntly the chabrydis gets that trophy/glory. i mean really a JEEP is harden to kill than a big mother ******* HAV? tanks are slower because they heavy so the time to get hits on them is bigger tanks have more armor/shield than any LAV lavs are faster because they smaller so the time to hit them is little tank drivers can shoot long distance without changing seats lav drivers cant shoot unless they switch places to a close range turret if you park a lav and a tank and shoot them i doubt a tank would go boom first basic stuff really you choose to ignore  iant talking about lavs bro. iam talike ab out the LOGISTICS lav. they take way more punishmnet than my maddy. i die to wykomi swarms/ ishkone forges but those chabbys (caldari LLAV) can apparently take more damage than my madrugar.
yes cuz LAVs sit still fo swarms or other means to destroy them , speed is a huge factor why you die in yo tank
you too slow
you can stop your pinochio act anytime now BRO
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.18 14:22:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:ladwar wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:just for the record , the only thing i hate about tanks are those that camp in red zone UP in the mountains and who snipe all over the map
i respect those who come and fight
Tanks that come down, die. Tankers complain when they're on the front lines that they die far too quickly against a coherent team, Infantry cries at them and tells them to "Adapt or Die" Tankers now sit up in the red line, adapting the way you and the other Infantry players have told us to, and yet now you cry that we've adapted and we should now throw that away and come down to lose a tank that is valued between 700,000 to 2,400,000 ISK. now if they only fixed rendering. Right I mean i can see those turrets while on foot, but I get in a tank with zooming capabilities and suddenly I can't see them.
or when i see an enemy sniper who is far then i aim with the sniper scope he is not there , i look again without scope he is there , the aim again in scope he is not there so i get closer and die from that sniper
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:15:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:if i need to pay aprox 1.5 mill to use my madrugar or 2.5 for my vayu why should i be an easy kill? i SHOULD be the hardest thing to kill. but apparntly the chabrydis gets that trophy/glory. i mean really a JEEP is harden to kill than a big mother ******* HAV? tanks are slower because they heavy so the time to get hits on them is bigger tanks have more armor/shield than any LAV lavs are faster because they smaller so the time to hit them is little tank drivers can shoot long distance without changing seats lav drivers cant shoot unless they switch places to a close range turret if you park a lav and a tank and shoot them i doubt a tank would go boom first basic stuff really you choose to ignore  iant talking about lavs bro. iam talike ab out the LOGISTICS lav. they take way more punishmnet than my maddy. i die to wykomi swarms/ ishkone forges but those chabbys (caldari LLAV) can apparently take more damage than my madrugar. yes cuz LAVs sit still fo swarms or other means to destroy them , speed is a huge factor why you die in yo tank you too slow you can stop your pinochio act anytime now BRO Do you realize that LLAV without any modules have 37% base resistance with Armor/Shield Upgrade skill on lvl5, and LLAV on lvl1? I guess no, because you think that "speed is a huge factor". I need to hit Limbus 3 times with my pro-Railgun that have 3x10% dmg mods. Just skill up HAV, LAV, DS all that stuff, play game for at least 2 months, then come on forums and produce equally interesting topics  care to test that? i have LLAV

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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.19 10:22:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:if i need to pay aprox 1.5 mill to use my madrugar or 2.5 for my vayu why should i be an easy kill? i SHOULD be the hardest thing to kill. but apparntly the chabrydis gets that trophy/glory. i mean really a JEEP is harden to kill than a big mother ******* HAV? tanks are slower because they heavy so the time to get hits on them is bigger tanks have more armor/shield than any LAV lavs are faster because they smaller so the time to hit them is little tank drivers can shoot long distance without changing seats lav drivers cant shoot unless they switch places to a close range turret if you park a lav and a tank and shoot them i doubt a tank would go boom first basic stuff really you choose to ignore  iant talking about lavs bro. iam talike ab out the LOGISTICS lav. they take way more punishmnet than my maddy. i die to wykomi swarms/ ishkone forges but those chabbys (caldari LLAV) can apparently take more damage than my madrugar. yes cuz LAVs sit still fo swarms or other means to destroy them , speed is a huge factor why you die in yo tank you too slow you can stop your pinochio act anytime now BRO speed dosnt really affect swarms. i've even used my limbus and still get killed in 1-2 shots from a wykomi and thats with running a propulsion module. preeety anoying that those wykomis dont give a damm your running a rep.
yes it does , faster you get to a corner faster you get safe , dont tell me that , i always avoid swarms by hiding behind a corner
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.19 10:26:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:settle this with sp ammount. how much do you have? i have 20 million sp and majority of it is in gallente hav's i basically have all lvl 5 srmour skills (exept for RR i dont use those) and all my turret skills are maxed except for lgr missiles (dont use them either) and i have lvl 3 shield skills every where. you tell me that with this sp ammount a LLAV can take more damge than me. if i come across the chabrydis i dont shoot it. i just slam into it if it gets to close.
SP doesnt matter here , im talking about avoiding swarms not outrunning them
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.19 10:29:00 -
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let me guess , u take a corner and sit there?
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.19 10:33:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:settle this with sp ammount. how much do you have? i have 20 million sp and majority of it is in gallente hav's i basically have all lvl 5 srmour skills (exept for RR i dont use those) and all my turret skills are maxed except for lgr missiles (dont use them either) and i have lvl 3 shield skills every where. you tell me that with this sp ammount a LLAV can take more damge than me. if i come across the chabrydis i dont shoot it. i just slam into it if it gets to close. SP doesnt matter here , im talking about avoiding swarms not outrunning them yeah and avoiding them is either out running them going behind cover, killing the giuy laucnhing them. even if i go around a bend or behind cover i still get hit by those wykomi swamrs that do 90 degreee turns.
that depends on the distance the guy launched them from , if he was too close to you he most likely will fail and hit a corner
if he shot from far you most likely get hit because you will continue your route and swarms are after you and sometimes you get out behind your cover
unless you know his position all you have is guess
i have 2 characters , 1 is wirkomi and one is LLAV so i know both sides of the coin

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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.19 10:36:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:settle this with sp ammount. how much do you have? i have 20 million sp and majority of it is in gallente hav's i basically have all lvl 5 srmour skills (exept for RR i dont use those) and all my turret skills are maxed except for lgr missiles (dont use them either) and i have lvl 3 shield skills every where. you tell me that with this sp ammount a LLAV can take more damge than me. if i come across the chabrydis i dont shoot it. i just slam into it if it gets to close. SP doesnt matter here , im talking about avoiding swarms not outrunning them yeah and avoiding them is either out running them going behind cover, killing the giuy laucnhing them. even if i go around a bend or behind cover i still get hit by those wykomi swamrs that do 90 degreee turns. that depends on the distance the guy launched them from , if he was too close to you he most likely will fail and hit a corner if he shot from far you most likely get hit because you will continue your route and swarms are after you and sometimes you get out behind your cover unless you know his position all you have is guess i have 2 characters , 1 is wirkomi and one is LLAV so i know both sides of the coin  get a tank and drive those around for a good 3 months then come back.
whats your point?
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.19 10:46:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: whats your point?
well obivulsoy your familair with av attacking your saftey box charbydris. get in a gunnlgoi or madrugar drive those and take some wykomi swarms and see how much eaiser you die than your saftey box.
thats because you basically a sitting target and i have time to empty my load in you and no one can stop me
get some defense with you aka infantry and play smart
dont go where a tank shouldnt be alone ala lone wolf rambo the terminator 5
i always miss tanks if i shoot from far , you need to be medium or if you can close distance to succesfully hit a tank
if you cant kill someone who is close to you from a fkin tank and if you are alone in that tank and alone in the area then the shame is on you
NEXT
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.19 10:51:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: whats your point?
well obivulsoy your familair with av attacking your saftey box charbydris. get in a gunnlgoi or madrugar drive those and take some wykomi swarms and see how much eaiser you die than your saftey box. thats because you basically a sitting target and i have time to empty my load in you and no one can stop me get some defense with you aka infantry and play smart dont go where a tank shouldnt be alone ala lone wolf rambo the terminator 5 i always miss tanks if i shoot from far , you need to be medium or if you can close distance to succesfully hit a tank if you cant kill someone who is close to you from a fkin tank and if you are alone in that tank and alone in the area then the shame is on you NEXT makes sense that iam a sitting target while on the move and anyone that gets close is practially shredded by my scattered ion cannon. oh and even with the av the person can either be in a prto suit witht eh wykomi stacked with damge mods and be killed by the infantry but as sson as he fires the swarms and dies hes still going to hit hurt me bad or outright kill me. and majpority of the time the swarmers are either close to or in thier redline area where i cant get to. or they use high ass spires or use head glitching or sucide with laidai packed av nades on millita suits.
stop acting like you die from 1 shot
geez

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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.19 10:56:00 -
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Read the thread title.

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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.19 11:05:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Read the thread title.  yeah lol. iam nto saying i should be invincible. 1 guy killing a tank by himself wtf? 2 guys killing a tank with swarms. yeah reasonble that the tank blew up. if all it took was 2 guys to kill me then i would be happy. but i expect to be a difficult kill given iam driving a 1.5 mill pice of machenery compared to the cheaper av being used to kill me. raise the price on av and i'll gladly die to something thats a 150k-200k weapon capable of dealing a **** ton of damage to a tank. but a logistics lav should be eaiser to kill than even a stnd HAV.
then the problem is not the swarms or the tanks , its the cost
you know that saying with great power comes great responsability?
use it
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.19 11:09:00 -
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"bu bu i paid 1 mil , i have to win , "
you can but you still have to use tactics
you just pay for a different set of tactics
maybe tanks are not your thing
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
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Posted - 2013.08.19 11:17:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Rizlax Yazzax wrote:So many topics like this so I'm just going to copy/paste my response from another thread .
T More and more I am coming up against HAVs that take an incredible amount of damage and keep on rolling. Several of them have taken 7 or more volleys of my proto swarm (3xComplex, Prof 3) and 3 or more Lai Dai and just kept on going as if I was a mosquito buzzing around their ears. Tanks may be paper thin as standard, but as with anything, put enough time/SP into them and they can be a beast.
I do not expect to be able to solo a tank by any means, and if I can, I enjoy it when it is a challenge as opposed to a 10 second fire and forget battle. Once we have proto tanks (god help the cries for AV buff/tank nerf when that happens) then the battlefield will be a lot more even, but people still need to realise that the tank isn't meant to be insta-win. You need a fair SP sink and good fitting to be an intimidating presence on the battlefield.
I have seen several people suggest removing proto AV until we have proto vehicles. I for one would be fine with this and feel it is unfair that one side of the equation has more advanced gear than the other.
But despite all this, we have two major updates on the way, so essenstially all arguments on AV balance are moot until after they arrive.
Straight up lying 3+ Lai Dai = 6k+ 7 proto swarms is 3k+ x 7 = 21k+ Total damage on 1 tank is 27k+
oh teh ironing
this coming from the dude that locks on with swarms trough walls

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