On a game mode with only 16 people on each team? Yea... sure. You know, it only takes one person to lay down and set off remotes, are you gonna say that's unfair too that a solo guy can take you out with remotes with a single press of a button? Tanks514 incoming.

Clearly you weren't playing (or weren't paying attention) back in December, when it actually did take a small team to kill a tank and therefore, bringing three or more tanks to the battlefield always won the game. If this were an open-world game we might be able to work something out, but in a 16-vs-16 game, it's ridiculously unbalanced to allow one person to take three or four people out of the fight to deal specifically with him.

It can take a small team to kill a tank when it takes a small team to operate a tank. Until then, it seems to me the cost needs to be balanced more than battlefield effectiveness.


This part makes you look silly. The best thing you can do after being shot at by a Madrugar if you're in an infantry dropsuit is to run for cover and hope he goes away. Many infantry get soloed by tanks, and for sure they don't deserve it.

Rock, meet paper.

The issues as I see them:

1) AV grenades need to be rebalanced so they're largely ineffective against tanks and dropships. I think they're still needed to deal with LAVs, but even after some of the nerfs, they still make skilling into dedicated AV seem a bit silly.

2) Dropships need love.

3) Vehicles cost too much for people to use them on a regular basis, so unless CCP wants to redefine the skill tree so that you can't skill into vehicles without skilling into infantry first, the cost needs to drop. As it is, people have every right to believe they should be able to play nothing but vehicles in every match, so either make that option viable or take it off the table.

You mean back when the only swarm launchers used were militia because even a proto wouldn't do jack, and the tank would go 60-0 for a dozen or so matches then die from a disconnect?

yeah cuz destroying one tank from cover isnt doable

wow some people

"bu bu ich bin tank , i cost mony , i need to kill all , with ease "

go play World of Tanks that way no man can kill you but tanks

http://worldoftanks.com/

How about we think of it another way. Pre-uprising heavies. You know, the big sharks that roamed around and needed more than one guy to kill. Of course in heavy vs heavy, it was an even match.
Now maybe I'm making too big of a jump here, but it ought to be the same idea with tanks. Tanks are the heavy. It takes a few AV guys to bring down a tank, but tank vs tank is an even match. Of course I'm not expecting anyone who isnt a tank to be able to understand where my point is coming from, especially when they dont have to pay for a tank.
For the record I've been around long enough to try everything other than HMG and AR. HMG because I never got around to it, AR because those things are game breaking now.

We don't want to be invincible, we want to be competitive, not have 10k's worth of nades destroy over a million ISK. Between Av and invisble attacks, turret installations locking on and hitting from just about anywhere, the cheap shots are annoying.
We want our higher tier vehicles, y'all gots your proto gear

Maybe rather than post garbage, you understand the situation.

It's a rare occurance, but sometimes you run into tanks still these days who manage to get 30+ kills and survive, while being in the frontline.. I don't know how, but they do it.. and can gtfo like nothing I have seen before o.0

Its because those are good tankers, usually in a squad all with voice coms, and the rest of his squad sticks close and defends him. If anyone tries to sneak up on him with AV grenades the infantry calls it out and kills the grenadier. The extra eyes also notice where forge gun fire and swarms are coming from and call it out so the tanker can take cover or deal with it.

Yall don't understand. Tanks should never be destroyable by 1 person with a forge gun. They should always require a team of 3-4 people with av weapons. I hate the people who think that 3 av grenades should kill a tank. Same goes for the people who want to patch lavs. NEWS FLASH 2 people with proto swarms on a rooftop and any lav problem is gone. CCP has done a good job to make tanks fair just about how they are now. Let's not ruin that please.

in my opinion the best Tanks in game shouldn't be easily taken out with hardeners on in my opinion CCP should

Increase the Cool down on all modules
increase the power of all moduless
Increase the Duration of all modules

increasing the cooldown creates a vulnerable time when all modules are disabled that allows Av players to take out the tank

militia and standard Av weapons would take 6-7 shots to take the tank out
advanced 4-5
and prototype 2-3

this also increases the viability to passive modules since it would allow the tank to endure more than if its main active modules are down

increasing the Power and Duration of the modules allows tanks to attack a position for a period of time

where they either succeed or fail
succeess gives a temporary safe zone
failure allows the enemy team a time to not have to deal with a tank for a while

T-55 500k-1kk USD
RPG rocket 50 USD

Ambusher Trooper used RPG rocket
It is super effective
T-55 blows up.

Where I can buy RPG for 50$ IWS, link or it didn't happen.

I love "real life example":
- Can I shot down RPG missile that is heading to target in real life?
- May I hide behind indestructible rock to prevent destroying my tank(because here in Dust, 300k years in future rooks are stronger than tanks, and it is normal).
- If infantry is hiding in building, do I have to shoot them directly in chest or may I blow up the whole building with my tank in real life?

You're absolutely right, IWS is totally off the mark. Just like in real life tanks require crews to operate and don't have infinite ammo.

You fully understand my point of view, any kind of comparison does not have a sense.

PS
I would like to have limited number of ammunition on my tank.

I hate when a starter suit with a militia sniper pops my proto logi in the head, that **** should never happen!

T-55 500k-1kk USD
RPG rocket 50 USD

Ambusher Trooper used RPG rocket
It is super effective
T-55 blows up.

******* mong, this is one of the stupidest things I've seen you post IWS, and you post some ******* ridiculous things.

Show me where the Tank Driver (if he survives) goes to grind for cash to buy a new tank.

Now get the **** out you lousy CPM.

you are confusing reality with virtual reality
take a chill pill
geez

On a game mode with only 16 people on each team? Yea... sure. You know, it only takes one person to lay down and set off remotes, are you gonna say that's unfair too that a solo guy can take you out with remotes with a single press of a button? Tanks514 incoming.

it wont be tank 514 unless infantry becomes obsolete, jut because people go for something you don't like doesn't make it invalid

well some tankers want you to die if you touch their tank and they want to run ppl over in tanks

just for the record , the only thing i hate about tanks are those that camp in red zone UP in the mountains and who snipe all over the map

i respect those who come and fight

Tanks that come down, die.

Tankers complain when they're on the front lines that they die far too quickly against a coherent team, Infantry cries at them and tells them to "Adapt or Die"

Tankers now sit up in the red line, adapting the way you and the other Infantry players have told us to, and yet now you cry that we've adapted and we should now throw that away and come down to lose a tank that is valued between 700,000 to 2,400,000 ISK.

Also, your respect won't buy us new tanks, kthx.

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