wrong

You really know how to proove your point well :D

Pretty much what the title says .

LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun

Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything .

LOGI 514

Might aswell remove the assault suits altogheter and be done with it

My point is : Does the LOGI suit have a role is it just an ASSAULT 2.0 .

Thanks ,
Hasa

Logi dual-smgs, lol.

On a serious note, you are right.
Amarr assault is only better if you use one of two weapons.
New CalLogi's shield bonus technically makes it more like an assault, not less.
Gallente logi beats Gallente assault hands down.
Only the Minmatar provide a legitimate assault/logi divide.

Pretty much what the title says .

LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun

Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything .

LOGI 514

Might aswell remove the assault suits altogheter and be done with it

My point is : Does the LOGI suit have a role is it just an ASSAULT 2.0 .

Thanks ,
Hasa

I am a proto logi sniper.

Deal with it.

Infantry and vehicles are about to be completely reworked for 1.4 and 1.5.

Calm your *female mammary gland, in the plural* people.

burden of proof is on the accuser

Really I have nothing against the players who use it . Afcourse If you are competitive you will use everything at your disposal .
My problem is with the system it self . It is just so poorly balanced that there is not even a single way to combat those accusations I made . You can simply get in a game and count the Logi suits that are AR fitted and see how the numbers go against the same AR + Assault suits :)

yeh let's go ruin it for the real logis

we move slower than assault suits , we do have a decent tank with bonuses.. but you need that when you have a repair tool in your hand, last I checked it did not electrecute the enemy or anything when I pointed it at them. We do need the ability to cover our asses or assist in stopping an impending take over with guns too. If people are really choosing the logi as a frontline assault suit and it is hurting that bad.. why don't we just put a dmg penalty across all logis, say -20% dmg and then give assault suits a +2% dmg per lvl.. if your really looking to slay that will make you go to assault faster than a logi with extra equipment I would think. Anyone who is a real logi at heart would not cry foul play with this change, only the ones who like being an assault with it

The only thing that bothers me about assault suits is the fact that I can't fit proto weapons and proto mods, while if a logi doesn't use their equipment slots that can fit way more proto mods and a proto weapon.

I have something similar in mind too . I don't want to bust the LOGIs I want to make them less prefarable as a DPS in favor of the Assault suit . Cause if the support suit can DPS better than the Assault And it can also be support at the same time , there is something wrong with the picture .

they die just like everyone else. you people who cry about other people should try improving yourselves first. if you havnt done everything you can why should someone else help you.

And they met it. The burden is now upon you to provide a rebuttal.

Pretty much what the title says .

LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun

Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything .

what if DMG mods were less effective for logis? Like maybe 1 or 2 percent depending on the level?

anecdotal and just plain not true, there are LOADS of support logis out there, and they do wonderful things. ive also seen what assaults can do VS logis and several of the assault varients are dominating if used properly.

im personally aware of amarr assaults who are absolutly devestating, who wouldnt be nearly as effective as logis.

minmatar assaults whome you do NOT want to get near... but cant stop them.

gallante assaults who for some reason do rediculas amounts of damage (true story learn to build your assault suits)

caldari assaults dont exsist because the idiot tryhards went logi and aparntly this means EVERY logi is LOGI514

but this has been fixed and your point is now moot.



what do you want them to do, not run any weapons?

I have something similar in mind too . I don't want to bust the LOGIs I want to make them less prefarable as a DPS in favor of the Assault suit . Cause if the support suit can DPS better than the Assault And it can also be support at the same time , there is something wrong with the picture .

No I just want them to save some PG/CPU to use actual LOGI equipment :D

Pretty much what the title says .

LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun

Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything .

LOGI 514

Might aswell remove the assault suits altogheter and be done with it

My point is : Does the LOGI suit have a role is it just an ASSAULT 2.0 .

Thanks ,
Hasa

I don't have any problems filling all of my slots with Logi equipment.

Of course, I'm sometimes restricted to a Militia weapon to do so, but I don't mind.

Isn't that basically the same end-result as imposing a damage penalty on Logi's, after all?

(if they did impose a damage penalty on Logis, my gun would become essentially useless, though, so I wouldn't be too happy about that)

Thank you people for teaching me what the role of LOGISTIC is , cause I don't play LOGI ships in EVE and I do not study LOGISTICS in the UNIVERSITY .

Thank you again , appriciated

So you want us to run around without weapons? You assaults need to stop crying to CCP and come to me when I try to rep you.

Btw, I run Proto Gallente Logi fully spec'd out with a mass driver as my primary. I have had it for 9 months and don't plan on putting it down any time soon. I run a K-2 Nanohive, a BDR-2(I think that's what it is called) Repair tool, a STD Drop uplink (skilling into those next because I love Dom), and a KIN Nanite Injector. Am I LOGI enough for you guys now?

Logi dual-smgs, lol.

On a serious note, you are right.
Amarr assault is only better if you use one of two weapons.
New CalLogi's shield bonus technically makes it more like an assault, not less.
Gallente logi beats Gallente assault hands down.
Only the Minmatar provide a legitimate assault/logi divide.

Hilarious considering the Gallente is the worst Logi suit, and has worst livability than almost every suit in the game besides Speed mod scouts.

Hilarious considering the Gallente is the worst Logi suit, and has worst livability than almost every suit in the game besides Speed mod scouts.

4 equipment and the most PG/CPU

yep, that **** fkn blows

logi do what logi wanna do

just ask a minmatar logi

on a serious note I have around 5 logi fits and not all of them have an injector and repper

one may have remotes, proxy, and nanos one does have injector, repper, and hives

the other just hives and active scanner and another hives, uplinks, and repper

and then I have my gallente slayer logi

Pretty much what the title says .

LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun

Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything .

LOGI 514

Might aswell remove the assault suits altogheter and be done with it

My point is : Does the LOGI suit have a role is it just an ASSAULT 2.0 .

Thanks ,
Hasa

You know what makes logi so good at assaulting? The passive reps bonus. That bonus is hella OP.

We need to remove that bonus, give logis an equipment reduction passive, and put passive reps on every suit.

I love how ppl B!tch about things like MD, even though everyone knows that those ppl cant shoot for sh!t when then pick the MD themselves. But then again those same ppl alwasy run to packs of ck.0 pub stomping and we are not talking about how there is something wrong with a logi suit that has most EQUIPMENT AND most SLOTS than other suits. I routinely see CalLogi with near 900 hp fielded. I run a scout suit - my top HP if I give up speed and electronics is a little over 300 (we are talking proto min). How can we talk about balance in the game? But sure if we flood the forum with MD QQ everyone's attention is gonna be diverted from the real issues.

Give assaults another equipment slot...if it stays 1 then buff the cpu and pg so I can fit proto nanos on my assault

Exactly it's that the MD is so OP but everyone ignoring the fact that almost everyone using MD is LOGI proto or atleast adv and he can fit so much TANK that you can not do much to him with most of the weapons at any range considering the horrible amount of Supression he gives you and all the screen shakes .

You know what makes logi so good at assaulting? The passive reps bonus. That bonus is hella OP.

We need to remove that bonus, give logis an equipment reduction passive, and put passive reps on every suit.

Here would be an interesting balance:

Logi Bonus: 25% CPU/PG Reduction on Equipment
Assault Bonus: 25% CPU/PG Reduction on all Weaponry

Racial bonuses affect specific weapons and equipment.

Give assaults a second equip slot
Give logis a sidearm slot.

It normalizes it a little so there's not such a drastic difference between the combat and support potential between the two while still giving each a flavor.

Give amarr logi an extra high low so they are 4 high 5 low to mirror cal logi.

Adjust CPU/PG on all medium frames to compensate.

That actually sounds awesome to me. It would make PC much more enjoyable as a logi as well.

the armor repair bonus or the 5% shield recharge bonus..

if your talking about armor repair.. how the hell does a maximum of +5 armor a second equal OP.. it would take 10 seconds just to get 50Hp off that.. so hoping your reffering to the shield regen.. which I have no input on as my gallente suit completely ignores that bonus.

Its a free complex armor repairer, its what makes logi frames so appealing to a lot of people for frontline assault.

Im still not sure I would run cal assault over cal logi, simply because I get 5 hp/s armor reps on the logi suit.

I am a proto logi sniper.

Deal with it.

Logis wouldn't be so imbalanced if equipment in general was fixed. The spamability of equipment is what makes Logis so damn good. That and the passive rep bonus like ZDub mentioned. For some reason the Logis got a bunch of amazing Assault-type bonuses when Uprising came out (shield extender bonus and passive armor rep, namely).

I would rather see Assaults keep their one equipment and instead get a bonus to damage (2% to weapon damage per level, for example). The 5% to shield recharge per level is awesome for my Caldari, but I can imagine it's pretty damn useless and unfair for all the other races.

A small increase in base CPU for Assaults would also be kind of nice. I have all my core fitting skills maxed (Electronics, Engineering, Core Upgrades, Light Weapon Operation), and I still can't manage to make fits without having to consider a CPU upgrade.

burden of proof is on the accuser

I just drop the side arms to fit my suit though the only thing good about assaults is the side arm yet I can't even fit a std one with my proto suit how great should have went logi

Not that the Assault suits are bad . They are just inferior to the Assault 2.0 (LOGI)

I have the exact same issue :/

basicly the only downside LOGI suits have is the fact that you run so much PROTO mods/equipment/weapons that the pricetag on them is going to be higher

Pretty much what the title says .

LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun

Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything .

LOGI 514

Might aswell remove the assault suits altogheter and be done with it

My point is : Does the LOGI suit have a role is it just an ASSAULT 2.0 .

Thanks ,
Hasa

So not a problem then? I have 260m isk and I'm sure people in eon have more, atm there is nothing to blow isk on

No. Any basic assault suit can still take more damage then a logi and is faster.

No I just want them to save some PG/CPU to use actual LOGI equipment :D

How ? Explain us please . Give me a side by side DPS frontline fits for any race of your chosing where the assault suit performs better than the Logi at actually assaulting anything

Assaults have more shield and armor and faster speed. Also only the Amarr logi carries a side arm.

Nope, not Logi enough.. 9 months of having proto logi and your running std and adv equipment :p

however +1 for actually running logi equipment lol

So basically useless. Got it.

Give logis a weapon damage reduction, like the logistics LAV has. Problem solved.

How about no and give assault drop suits a damage bonus?

Pretty much what the title says .

LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun

Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything .

LOGI 514

Might aswell remove the assault suits altogheter and be done with it

My point is : Does the LOGI suit have a role is it just an ASSAULT 2.0 .
All suits proto with highlighted advantages / superiorities :

Cal Assault - 300 CPU 60 PG = 4high 3 low
Cal Logi - 350 CPU 78 PG = 5 high 4 low

Gallente Assault - 300 CPU 60 PG = 3high 4 low
Gallente Logi - 390 CPU 78 PG = 3 high 5 low

Amarr Assault - 350 CPU 78 PG = 3high 3 low
Amarr Logi -390 CPU 72 PG = 3high 4 low

ofcourse no need to point out the additional equipment slots and the passive armor rep on all logistics suits ...

Basicly only the Amarr Assault has one advantage in one stat over the logistics version , but that quickly is diminished by the passive armor rep and passive for MORE armor rep efficacy and the obvious superiority in every other stat (CPU and slots)

And if you add to all those stats Core skills 5 the margin becomes even greater ... Basicly with the Core skill bonuses you can have HALF a suit more with the LOGI

Yea Logistics suits = Assault 2.0 and that's that for now

So now what ?

Thanks ,
Hasa

Here we go again....
A suits if fitted right work better at assault then logi, just like if a logi is properly fitted his/her survivability is increased drastically.

Maybe because the people playing logi (support or not) are just better than the stale, typical, played out assault role that is the most prominent in every FPS game ever made? You are just sheep, sheep are only better than other sheep.

nerf time

Yes I forgot : Only PROS play LOGI

Dude you see anyone here talk about skillz and sheep and stuff ? We are discussing stats here . Pure math not some fairy tale bull*****

You can remove your logi loving fanboish stale sheep trunk from the treath and just go give mythical explainations elsewhere

I switch constantly between assault, logi, heavy suits the whole game, I am sorry I'm not only good with one specific suit must be tough for you. Here is some math: YOU X 10 < ME

I do not agree that this is the place to brag how skillfull you are . Neither it is the place to prove it . I highly doubt aswell that there is even one person in theese forums that actually knows about your corporation , let alone YOU

That's great because it works both ways. Forums are filled with people who think they are entitled to something (mostly teenagers). I don't need e-rep, likes, respect from people who read forums more than play the actual game.

That's great because it works both ways. Forums are filled with people who think they are entitled to something (mostly teenagers). I don't need e-rep, likes, respect from people who read forums more than play the actual game.

Sure, you can also look me up on facebook and follow me on twitter. I can teach you how to be a man and not a whiny little boy.

Another i got beat by a non assault so nerf it thread.where are these super logis at?Are they in the sky shooting lasers out thier ***?Sorry no logis dominating matches just assaults with Ars and Lavs. I see about maybe 4 logis a match You babies already got logis nerfed once and you still can't win come on its not the suit its you

Logis get nerfed ? When ? Last I checked they slightly lowered the stats on the Cal Logi cause it was pure insanity and they even BUFFED others ? You playing a different game chief ?

Last time I checked we had something called flux grenades .Last time I checked it was the combination of the tac ar that made them seem insane.Last time I checked it was still all assault suits and ars. Logis are big yellow targets, taking any survivability away from them is a nerf.Go and read the note.Amarr didn't get a buff it got fixed.So same game same Ar babys

I have just found out that I am better at rolling cigars in the dark than otherwise .. hmm

Anyways .. to the point .. oh yes the patch notes from uprising 1.3

- Gave the Amarr logistics suit an additional low slot at PROTOTYPE tier and a third equipment slot at ADVANCED tier
- Increased Amarr Logistics PG: 3 at STD (up to 36 from 33), 4 at ADV (up to 50 from 46) and 6 at PRO (up to 72 from 66)
- Introduced the sidearm slot at STANDARD tier level instead of PROTOTYPE tier, so the role gets its defining characteristic from the start

The surelly got "FIXED" mate

Infantry and vehicles are about to be completely reworked for 1.4 and 1.5.

Calm your *female mammary gland, in the plural* people.

Yes fixed as I see it,, paying for a sidearm that wasn't until proto made it Broken. Not being up to par with other logis broken.So wheres the rest or we just try to pick and choose and fail?

I do not agree that this is the place to brag how skillfull you are . Neither it is the place to prove it . I highly doubt aswell that there is even one person in theese forums that actually knows about your corporation , let alone YOU

Easy fix. Make use of the equipment slots mandatory or suit is invalid. Then the CPU/PG is no longer a factor and the advantage of Assault base HP becomes more important.

The only ones who would disagree with this are the ones not using Logi as a support platform.

Easy fix. Make use of the equipment slots mandatory or suit is invalid. Then the CPU/PG is no longer a factor and the advantage of Assault base HP becomes more important.

The only ones who would disagree with this are the ones not using Logi as a support platform.

Then you're focusing on one suit by giving them limitations. If this is the case, force assaults to carry an AR and or a sidearm, heavies to fit a heavy weapon and scouts to fit an uplink.
I'm not an assault logi, but I tend to not fill in my 4th equipment slot on my suit if I don't have anything to put there.

Fine. Then if you have two slots then at least one needs to be filled. If you have three then two. And if you have four then three.

It is not about giving them limitations. It is about balance. So many complaints about Logi...how its unbalanced...how it is OP vs Assault when fitted outside the support role. The way things have been trending then the major push is going to be NERF, NERF, NERF. Taking away CPU/PG or High/Low slots will only hurt the ability of True Logi's to offer the proper support to their teams.

Locking in equipment slots is a much better alternative for the class. I mean if you are a Logi and you are not carrying equipment then why run a Logi suit. I get that CCP wanted to give players freedom, and I support that. But when my ability to do my job is being threatened by a forum witch hunt then I am willing to concede a little flexibility to save support capability.

Most of the complaints come from players who look at stats that affect performance like slots and power and cry fowl because it is MORE and actually can make a different if you are using the suit and not filling up the equipment. But what about those of us who use the suit the right way? So make equipment mandatory so they can go find something else to complain about and let me get back to doing what I have always done in this game.

Logis are awesome, but wAy to many fights end with side arm weapons.

Maybe better armor and sheild stats, but ill still take assualt.

That side arm is more valuable than many people know.

Logis are awesome, but wAy to many fights end with side arm weapons.

Maybe better armor and sheild stats, but ill still take assualt.

That side arm is more valuable than many people know.

Logis are awesome, but wAy to many fights end with side arm weapons.

Maybe better armor and sheild stats, but ill still take assualt.

That side arm is more valuable than many people know.

All suits proto with highlighted advantages / superiorities :

Cal Assault - 300 CPU 60 PG = 4high 3 low
Cal Logi - 350 CPU 78 PG = 5 high 4 low

Gallente Assault - 300 CPU 60 PG = 3high 4 low
Gallente Logi - 390 CPU 78 PG = 3 high 5 low

Amarr Assault - 350 CPU 78 PG = 3high 3 low
Amarr Logi -390 CPU 72 PG = 3high 4 low

ofcourse no need to point out the additional equipment slots and the passive armor rep on all logistics suits ...

Basicly only the Amarr Assault has one advantage in one stat over the logistics version , but that quickly is diminished by the passive armor rep and passive for MORE armor rep efficacy and the obvious superiority in every other stat (CPU and slots)

And if you add to all those stats Core skills 5 the margin becomes even greater ... Basicly with the Core skill bonuses you can have HALF a suit more with the LOGI

Yea Logistics suits = Assault 2.0 and that's that for now

So now what ?

Pretty much what the title says .

LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun

Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything .

LOGI 514

Might aswell remove the assault suits altogheter and be done with it

My point is : Does the LOGI suit have a role is it just an ASSAULT 2.0 .
All suits proto with highlighted advantages / superiorities :

Cal Assault - 300 CPU 60 PG = 4high 3 low
Cal Logi - 350 CPU 78 PG = 5 high 4 low

Gallente Assault - 300 CPU 60 PG = 3high 4 low
Gallente Logi - 390 CPU 78 PG = 3 high 5 low

Amarr Assault - 350 CPU 78 PG = 3high 3 low
Amarr Logi -390 CPU 72 PG = 3high 4 low

ofcourse no need to point out the additional equipment slots and the passive armor rep on all logistics suits ...

Basicly only the Amarr Assault has one advantage in one stat over the logistics version , but that quickly is diminished by the passive armor rep and passive for MORE armor rep efficacy and the obvious superiority in every other stat (CPU and slots)

And if you add to all those stats Core skills 5 the margin becomes even greater ... Basicly with the Core skill bonuses you can have HALF a suit more with the LOGI

Yea Logistics suits = Assault 2.0 and that's that for now

So now what ?

Thanks ,
Hasa

Pretty much what the title says .

LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun

Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything .

So now, you also include the stats where assaults suits have it better to make your argument resemble something like an argument and not just another whine thread on these forums.

Picking out the best things about a suit, to use as the sole basis of your argument is a stupid way to argue. It's bad and you should feel bad too.

hmm there was no point going there, you could say the same about us ... ?

Assault have any advantages vs logi?Well:they have a sidearm,faster move speed,more stamina,faster shield regeneration,faster shield regulation(since 1.3),more base shield and armor.As for racial bonuses,they are pretty balance for now.

Yea 50 EHP more which is easily counter by the fact you can fit more proto shield/armor and you have 1 extra low slot for a Biotics upgrade/module which actually makes you faster than the assault . I am constantly beeing outrund by logis ... We simply do not have so much choices and so much flexability and luxeries

Looked from every possible angle the logistics suits are better at beeing assaults than their true asault counterparts .
There isn't even a slight possibility of comparing them .

Pretty much what the title says .

LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun

Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything .

LOGI 514

Might aswell remove the assault suits altogheter and be done with it

My point is : Does the LOGI suit have a role is it just an ASSAULT 2.0 .
All suits proto with highlighted advantages / superiorities :

Cal Assault - 300 CPU 60 PG = 4high 3 low
Cal Logi - 350 CPU 78 PG = 5 high 4 low

Gallente Assault - 300 CPU 60 PG = 3high 4 low
Gallente Logi - 390 CPU 78 PG = 3 high 5 low

Amarr Assault - 350 CPU 78 PG = 3high 3 low
Amarr Logi -390 CPU 72 PG = 3high 4 low

ofcourse no need to point out the additional equipment slots and the passive armor rep on all logistics suits ...

Basicly only the Amarr Assault has one advantage in one stat over the logistics version , but that quickly is diminished by the passive armor rep and passive for MORE armor rep efficacy and the obvious superiority in every other stat (CPU and slots)

And if you add to all those stats Core skills 5 the margin becomes even greater ... Basicly with the Core skill bonuses you can have HALF a suit more with the LOGI

Yea Logistics suits = Assault 2.0 and that's that for now

So now what ?

Thanks ,
Hasa

As you said: Give it some more thought. You compared the equipment slots and the CPU / PG stats only. A dropsuit has a lot more stats than just these.

I'm too lazy too look it up myself. So if you want to convince me you have to do that.

I use only amarr suits. I also have been using only amarr weapons as well. I'm not proto level yet but apart from the mild heat difference one or two skill points gives I'm considering only using logi suit and leveling assault second even tho I wanted to do assault not support.

And then the assault bonus only makes a difference if I stick with all amarr weapons.

The diference is speed and stamina is beraly there . As I said earlier with 1 boitics mod (for you have like 39 free slots left) you can outrun an assault easily . Which is the case most of the time .

And about "the balanced racials for assault" How is shield regen on a armor tank BALANCE for you ?
You can't give CALDARI and AMARR (shield nad armor tankers) the same shield regen bonus and call this ballance - It is obvious that for one of the races it makes no sense whatsoever . It is so messed up that it looks like they havent even played the game ONCE before introduce those racial bonuses . How do they justify things like this . And how do you justify yourself calling this balanced

Assault bonus benefit shield tanking more,logi bonus(+5hp sec) benefit armor tanking more,,,seems balance for me.The diference in speed is very important and the speed mods only increase run speed,not walk and strafe.

Assault bonus benefit shield tanking more,logi bonus(+5hp sec) benefit armor tanking more,,,seems balance for me.The diference in speed is very important and the speed mods only increase run speed,not walk and strafe.

You really know how to proove your point well :D

Not really any valid points yet so I won't make one either. Set up a 16v16 with just tankers, heavies, logis, anything but assaults....think anyone is gonna be saying "hey we really need some assault in here"....doubt it. Same battle but remove either heavies, logis or tankers....pretty sure people would notice. Your role isn't as vital as others sorry:(

yeh let's go ruin it for the real logis

we move slower than assault suits , we do have a decent tank with bonuses.. but you need that when you have a repair tool in your hand, last I checked it did not electrecute the enemy or anything when I pointed it at them. We do need the ability to cover our asses or assist in stopping an impending take over with guns too. If people are really choosing the logi as a frontline assault suit and it is hurting that bad.. why don't we just put a dmg penalty across all logis, say -20% dmg and then give assault suits a +2% dmg per lvl.. if your really looking to slay that will make you go to assault faster than a logi with extra equipment I would think. Anyone who is a real logi at heart would not cry foul play with this change, only the ones who like being an assault with it

So you are saying you agree that Logis are better at assaulting that Assaults ? WoW it wasn't so hard was it ! Thank you ! You finaly understood the treat

I think everyone agrees as people have mentioned in certain situations THEY can be just not overall:D Fine you got me ~_~

Hey man , it's ok . I am not very good at making points , so I need you guys to help me make sense

After all we are all here to make the game better . My single and only intention is to make and improve the game for as much people as I can . After all in two weeks I will not be able to play anymore , not because I won't want to but because I am leaving the country for a long long time . .I really hope that when I come back (year from now ?) The game is going to be evolved and matured . I hope so , I sude do

Sorry to hear that. Weird cause I am actually leaving in exactly two weeks myself, will be without internet for a couple months, really really hope this game is still here to come back to. Good luck dude, cheers:D

they die just like everyone else. you people who cry about other people should try improving yourselves first. if you havnt done everything you can why should someone else help you.

lets make a deal i'll wipe your tears if you lick my boots. mutual benefit

I don't understand why logis get more high/low slots compared to the assault suits.
This combined with more CPU/PG ALONE is a reason why most folks prefer Logi over Assault

If I have more equipment slots, I should have less high/low slots, thats only fair trade. And this is how Dust normally should work.
Exchange one thing against another.

As full Proto Amarr Assault when I look at Cal Logis I could still puke.
I have 3 High/3 Low, and Cal Logis have 5High 4 Low? Seriously CCP 3 slots more and on top of that 2 more equipment and as sacrifice they don't have a second weapon?
That's just stupid.

As Logi you are a supporting class, which means you are always a little behind the frontline, therefore you don't need to have 700+ EHP.
The job of a logi is supporting the team, means droping uplinks, using nanite injectors, using reppers to help heavies etc. Logis play the WP game, while Heavies defend and Assaults attack & defend at the same time So EHP should be spread like this: Heavy->Assault->Logi->Scout.

Know your job, know your role!

I don't understand why logis get more high/low slots compared to the assault suits.
This combined with more CPU/PG ALONE is a reason why most folks prefer Logi over Assault

If I have more equipment slots, I should have less high/low slots, thats only fair trade. And this is how Dust normally should work.
Exchange one thing against another.

As full Proto Amarr Assault when I look at Cal Logis I could still puke.
I have 3 High/3 Low, and Cal Logis have 5High 4 Low? Seriously CCP 3 slots more and on top of that 2 more equipment and as sacrifice they don't have a second weapon?
That's just stupid.

As Logi you are a supporting class, which means you are always a little behind the frontline, therefore you don't need to have 700+ EHP.
The job of a logi is supporting the team, means droping uplinks, using nanite injectors, using reppers to help heavies etc. Logis play the WP game, while Heavies defend and Assaults attack & defend at the same time So EHP should be spread like this: Heavy->Assault->Logi->Scout.

Know your job, know your role!

Really I have nothing against the players who use it . Afcourse If you are competitive you will use everything at your disposal .
My problem is with the system it self . It is just so poorly balanced that there is not even a single way to combat those accusations I made . You can simply get in a game and count the Logi suits that are AR fitted and see how the numbers go against the same AR + Assault suits :)

Haha I thought you were one of those "snipers shouldn't be allowed on top of buildings" people, I am an overwatch so I need logi to carry uplinks, REs and nano hives. :) [

Good point but i sneak up on guys like you all the time in my Gallente scout suit, i can spot any sniper within a min or so of looking due to my suits racial bonus which is why its the best suit for sniping. My point is you cant defend yourself if someone sneaks up on you, good luck no scoping a scout that has a run speed over 10.00 with a shotgun, and its alot harder to spot people in a logi suit than it is in a gallent scout which was made for sniping. Unless you are on a high building or have a body guard u are a very easy target especially because any gallente scout sniping will prob spot you before you spot him.

you can remedy your lack of hives and uplinks by sniping with a buddy one has hives the other uplinks and you can tag team snipe, one breaks shield the other finishes the job.

Why hasn't the lack of sidearm as a logi(omit ammar logi) been brought up, most of the time when i run my logi and im killing with it i almost always run out of ammo and dont have time to sit in a nanohive, a sidearm is a big part of being an assault. As an Assault i usually end up closing the distance on someone with my AR and finish them with my SMG.

The only thing that bothers me about assault suits is the fact that I can't fit proto weapons and proto mods, while if a logi doesn't use their equipment slots that can fit way more proto mods and a proto weapon.

Pretty much what the title says .

LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun

Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything .

LOGI 514

Might aswell remove the assault suits altogheter and be done with it

My point is : Does the LOGI suit have a role is it just an ASSAULT 2.0 .
All suits proto with highlighted advantages / superiorities :

Cal Assault - 300 CPU 60 PG = 4high 3 low
Cal Logi - 350 CPU 78 PG = 5 high 4 low

Gallente Assault - 300 CPU 60 PG = 3high 4 low
Gallente Logi - 390 CPU 78 PG = 3 high 5 low

Amarr Assault - 350 CPU 78 PG = 3high 3 low
Amarr Logi -390 CPU 72 PG = 3high 4 low

ofcourse no need to point out the additional equipment slots and the passive armor rep on all logistics suits ...

Basicly only the Amarr Assault has one advantage in one stat over the logistics version , but that quickly is diminished by the passive armor rep and passive for MORE armor rep efficacy and the obvious superiority in every other stat (CPU and slots)

And if you add to all those stats Core skills 5 the margin becomes even greater ... Basicly with the Core skill bonuses you can have HALF a suit more with the LOGI

Yea Logistics suits = Assault 2.0 and that's that for now

So now what ?

Thanks ,
Hasa