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Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:50:00 -
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Pretty much what the title says .
LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun
Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything .
LOGI 514
Might aswell remove the assault suits altogheter and be done with it |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
381
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:56:00 -
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wrong
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Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
48
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:59:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:wrong
You really know how to proove your point well :D |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1108
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:59:00 -
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Logi dual-smgs, lol.
On a serious note, you are right. Amarr assault is only better if you use one of two weapons. New CalLogi's shield bonus technically makes it more like an assault, not less. Gallente logi beats Gallente assault hands down. Only the Minmatar provide a legitimate assault/logi divide. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
70
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:00:00 -
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I am a proto logi sniper.
Deal with it. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
381
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:01:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:wrong
You really know how to proove your point well :D
burden of proof is on the accuser |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
625
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:06:00 -
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they die just like everyone else. you people who cry about other people should try improving yourselves first. if you havnt done everything you can why should someone else help you.
lets make a deal i'll wipe your tears if you lick my boots. mutual benefit |
richiesutie 2
Seraphim Auxiliaries
209
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:06:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Pretty much what the title says . LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything . LOGI 514 Might aswell remove the assault suits altogheter and be done with it My point is : Does the LOGI suit have a role is it just an ASSAULT 2.0 . Thanks , Hasa Really i think there fine.
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Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
48
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:07:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Logi dual-smgs, lol.
On a serious note, you are right. Amarr assault is only better if you use one of two weapons. New CalLogi's shield bonus technically makes it more like an assault, not less. Gallente logi beats Gallente assault hands down. Only the Minmatar provide a legitimate assault/logi divide.
Exactly . Basicly If you want to play a frontile high power high DPS clone , there is no point in going for Assault suit over Logi simply because they both have mostly defensive bonuses and the Logi suits have much better ones . There is nothing that gives the Assault an edge in firepower over the Logi . The logi is pretty much self sustainable . Has the same firepower and can carry more equipment making it basicly a one man army . You can use pretty much all the equipment in the game except for the heavy weapons (thank god) with no penalty or drawbacks . |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
2999
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:08:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Pretty much what the title says . LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything . LOGI 514 Might aswell remove the assault suits altogheter and be done with it My point is : Does the LOGI suit have a role is it just an ASSAULT 2.0 . Thanks , Hasa It will continue to do so until they can do a build release to let them give those suits bonuses to support equipment so they can further modify their stats to push them into their assigned role. |
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2533
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:08:00 -
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Infantry and vehicles are about to be completely reworked for 1.4 and 1.5.
Calm your *female mammary gland, in the plural* people. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
70
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:10:00 -
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If you have issues taking out logis, slap on a mass driver and go to town using it like a shotgun....I did and man it's satisfying to demolish callogis XD |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
48
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:10:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:I am a proto logi sniper.
Deal with it.
Really I have nothing against the players who use it . Afcourse If you are competitive you will use everything at your disposal . My problem is with the system it self . It is just so poorly balanced that there is not even a single way to combat those accusations I made . You can simply get in a game and count the Logi suits that are AR fitted and see how the numbers go against the same AR + Assault suits :) |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
48
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:12:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Infantry and vehicles are about to be completely reworked for 1.4 and 1.5.
Calm your *female mammary gland, in the plural* people. \
In the meantime feedback is important ;) |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1109
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:12:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Hasa Hakira wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:wrong
You really know how to proove your point well :D burden of proof is on the accuser
And they met it. The burden is now upon you to provide a rebuttal. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
70
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:22:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:I am a proto logi sniper.
Deal with it. Really I have nothing against the players who use it . Afcourse If you are competitive you will use everything at your disposal . My problem is with the system it self . It is just so poorly balanced that there is not even a single way to combat those accusations I made . You can simply get in a game and count the Logi suits that are AR fitted and see how the numbers go against the same AR + Assault suits :) Haha I thought you were one of those "snipers shouldn't be allowed on top of buildings" people, I am an overwatch so I need logi to carry uplinks, REs and nano hives. :) |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
829
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:22:00 -
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yeh let's go ruin it for the real logis
we move slower than assault suits , we do have a decent tank with bonuses.. but you need that when you have a repair tool in your hand, last I checked it did not electrecute the enemy or anything when I pointed it at them. We do need the ability to cover our asses or assist in stopping an impending take over with guns too. If people are really choosing the logi as a frontline assault suit and it is hurting that bad.. why don't we just put a dmg penalty across all logis, say -20% dmg and then give assault suits a +2% dmg per lvl.. if your really looking to slay that will make you go to assault faster than a logi with extra equipment I would think. Anyone who is a real logi at heart would not cry foul play with this change, only the ones who like being an assault with it |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
682
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:23:00 -
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The only thing that bothers me about assault suits is the fact that I can't fit proto weapons and proto mods, while if a logi doesn't use their equipment slots that can fit way more proto mods and a proto weapon. |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
48
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:27:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:yeh let's go ruin it for the real logis
we move slower than assault suits , we do have a decent tank with bonuses.. but you need that when you have a repair tool in your hand, last I checked it did not electrecute the enemy or anything when I pointed it at them. We do need the ability to cover our asses or assist in stopping an impending take over with guns too. If people are really choosing the logi as a frontline assault suit and it is hurting that bad.. why don't we just put a dmg penalty across all logis, say -20% dmg and then give assault suits a +2% dmg per lvl.. if your really looking to slay that will make you go to assault faster than a logi with extra equipment I would think. Anyone who is a real logi at heart would not cry foul play with this change, only the ones who like being an assault with it
I have something similar in mind too . I don't want to bust the LOGIs I want to make them less prefarable as a DPS in favor of the Assault suit . Cause if the support suit can DPS better than the Assault And it can also be support at the same time , there is something wrong with the picture . |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
48
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:28:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:The only thing that bothers me about assault suits is the fact that I can't fit proto weapons and proto mods, while if a logi doesn't use their equipment slots that can fit way more proto mods and a proto weapon.
And this Yea ... |
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
682
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:29:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:yeh let's go ruin it for the real logis
we move slower than assault suits , we do have a decent tank with bonuses.. but you need that when you have a repair tool in your hand, last I checked it did not electrecute the enemy or anything when I pointed it at them. We do need the ability to cover our asses or assist in stopping an impending take over with guns too. If people are really choosing the logi as a frontline assault suit and it is hurting that bad.. why don't we just put a dmg penalty across all logis, say -20% dmg and then give assault suits a +2% dmg per lvl.. if your really looking to slay that will make you go to assault faster than a logi with extra equipment I would think. Anyone who is a real logi at heart would not cry foul play with this change, only the ones who like being an assault with it I have something similar in mind too . I don't want to bust the LOGIs I want to make them less prefarable as a DPS in favor of the Assault suit . Cause if the support suit can DPS better than the Assault And it can also be support at the same time , there is something wrong with the picture . what if DMG mods were less effective for logis? Like maybe 1 or 2 percent depending on the level?
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Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
316
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:30:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:they die just like everyone else. you people who cry about other people should try improving yourselves first. if you havnt done everything you can why should someone else help you.
This could be posted in soooooooo many threads on this forum. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
381
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:35:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:
And they met it. The burden is now upon you to provide a rebuttal.
Hasa Hakira wrote:Pretty much what the title says .
LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun
anecdotal and just plain not true, there are LOADS of support logis out there, and they do wonderful things. ive also seen what assaults can do VS logis and several of the assault varients are dominating if used properly.
im personally aware of amarr assaults who are absolutly devestating, who wouldnt be nearly as effective as logis.
minmatar assaults whome you do NOT want to get near... but cant stop them.
gallante assaults who for some reason do rediculas amounts of damage (true story learn to build your assault suits)
caldari assaults dont exsist because the idiot tryhards went logi and aparntly this means EVERY logi is LOGI514
but this has been fixed and your point is now moot.
Hasa Hakira wrote: Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything .
what do you want them to do, not run any weapons?
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Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
48
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:35:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Hasa Hakira wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:yeh let's go ruin it for the real logis
we move slower than assault suits , we do have a decent tank with bonuses.. but you need that when you have a repair tool in your hand, last I checked it did not electrecute the enemy or anything when I pointed it at them. We do need the ability to cover our asses or assist in stopping an impending take over with guns too. If people are really choosing the logi as a frontline assault suit and it is hurting that bad.. why don't we just put a dmg penalty across all logis, say -20% dmg and then give assault suits a +2% dmg per lvl.. if your really looking to slay that will make you go to assault faster than a logi with extra equipment I would think. Anyone who is a real logi at heart would not cry foul play with this change, only the ones who like being an assault with it I have something similar in mind too . I don't want to bust the LOGIs I want to make them less prefarable as a DPS in favor of the Assault suit . Cause if the support suit can DPS better than the Assault And it can also be support at the same time , there is something wrong with the picture . what if DMG mods were less effective for logis? Like maybe 1 or 2 percent depending on the level?
Yes Something similar will do the job . |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
48
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:36:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:
And they met it. The burden is now upon you to provide a rebuttal.
Hasa Hakira wrote:Pretty much what the title says .
LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun anecdotal and just plain not true, there are LOADS of support logis out there, and they do wonderful things. ive also seen what assaults can do VS logis and several of the assault varients are dominating if used properly. im personally aware of amarr assaults who are absolutly devestating, who wouldnt be nearly as effective as logis. minmatar assaults whome you do NOT want to get near... but cant stop them. gallante assaults who for some reason do rediculas amounts of damage (true story learn to build your assault suits) caldari assaults dont exsist because the idiot tryhards went logi and aparntly this means EVERY logi is LOGI514 but this has been fixed and your point is now moot. Hasa Hakira wrote: Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything . what do you want them to do, not run any weapons?
No I just want them to save some PG/CPU to use actual LOGI equipment :D |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
925
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:38:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:I have something similar in mind too . I don't want to bust the LOGIs I want to make them less prefarable as a DPS in favor of the Assault suit . Cause if the support suit can DPS better than the Assault And it can also be support at the same time , there is something wrong with the picture .
My idea to fix the balance between Assault and Logistics?
Assault suits should get a bonus to damage using the racial weapon type of the suit. This will take finishing off the full range of racial weapons.
Logistics suits will be getting a bonus to their equipment later this year to make them even more effective in that aspect.
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Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
318
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:41:00 -
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I don't have any problems filling all of my slots with Logi equipment.
Of course, I'm sometimes restricted to a Militia weapon to do so, but I don't mind.
Isn't that basically the same end-result as imposing a damage penalty on Logi's, after all?
(if they did impose a damage penalty on Logis, my gun would become essentially useless, though, so I wouldn't be too happy about that) |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
382
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:45:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:
And they met it. The burden is now upon you to provide a rebuttal.
Hasa Hakira wrote:Pretty much what the title says .
LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun anecdotal and just plain not true, there are LOADS of support logis out there, and they do wonderful things. ive also seen what assaults can do VS logis and several of the assault varients are dominating if used properly. im personally aware of amarr assaults who are absolutly devestating, who wouldnt be nearly as effective as logis. minmatar assaults whome you do NOT want to get near... but cant stop them. gallante assaults who for some reason do rediculas amounts of damage (true story learn to build your assault suits) caldari assaults dont exsist because the idiot tryhards went logi and aparntly this means EVERY logi is LOGI514 but this has been fixed and your point is now moot. Hasa Hakira wrote: Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything . what do you want them to do, not run any weapons? No I just want them to save some PG/CPU to use actual LOGI equipment :D
and if they ran an assault suit they would be so much more effective. but they skilled into flavor of the month and are upset so thats what they do instead.
just because its what you SEE all the time, doesnt mean that its the most effective, it just means its the most popular due to circumstance.
outside of caldari EVERY OTHER RACE has an assault suit that is ALOT more effective at assault than the logi
so your actually bitching about caldari pretending your bitching about logis.
this problem you see is a problem with FOTM players jumping on the caldari logi bandwagon and using what they have to pretend to be assaults.
that doesnt mean they are good at it.
also LOGISTICS means to use equipment. it doesnt mean to be someones personal supply depot.
my logi runs uplink, nano(healing hive), res, and remote explosives.
all my others (scout/ assault) just run explosives.
most people dont call me a logi even when im in a logi suit.
im an equipment user nothing more. and no you cant have any of my nanos, now go die and spawn on my uplinks so i can get points.
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Spycrab Potato
Hold-Your-Fire
213
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:53:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Pretty much what the title says . LOGI suits are dominating the battlefield and no one is using them to actually support anything just run and gun Logi shotgunner Logi ARs Logi mass drivers (the most anoying ones) Logi sniper , Logi tank , Logi dual SMGs , Logi dual scram pistol . Logi everything . LOGI 514 Might aswell remove the assault suits altogheter and be done with it My point is : Does the LOGI suit have a role is it just an ASSAULT 2.0 . Thanks , Hasa So you want us to run around without weapons? You assaults need to stop crying to CCP and come to me when I try to rep you. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
72
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:56:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:I don't have any problems filling all of my slots with Logi equipment.
Of course, I'm sometimes restricted to a Militia weapon to do so, but I don't mind.
Isn't that basically the same end-result as imposing a damage penalty on Logi's, after all?
(if they did impose a damage penalty on Logis, my gun would become essentially useless, though, so I wouldn't be too happy about that) It shouldn't be nerf logi Dmg mods, it should be buff assault Dmg mods, I use a charge sniper so I stack that thing with Dmg mods to try and get the one hit kill, if you nerfed my mods, I couldn't do that anymore :( |
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