So I know the mass driver is fun and a great weapon that easy to usebut, ccp has been know to nurf ( so called balance) because I've over use. IV been murdered by it for a solid week now and I fore see this happening to the mass driver just like the flaylock, Just because over use . Given its a primary weapon I still see this happening. The tacAR was nurfed hard so don't think that it will never happen. The FOTM'S NEES TO STOP or risk a possible nurf.
I wanna hear some feedback so lets talk.

So I know the mass driver is fun and a great weapon that easy to usebut, ccp has been know to nurf ( so called balance) because I've over use. IV been murdered by it for a solid week now and I fore see this happening to the mass driver just like the flaylock, Just because over use . Given its a primary weapon I still see this happening. The tacAR was nurfed hard so don't think that it will never happen. The FOTM'S NEES TO STOP or risk a possible nurf.
I wanna hear some feedback so lets talk.

You do realize that mass drivers only account for about a tenth of the kills? ARs are typically about 90% of a match's kills. Warning to AR users, ARs are on the chopping block due to over use.

since the flaylock nerf I have seen a massive increase of Mass driver use particularily the scrubs that camp CRU and as sson as you move from spawn BOOM

Seriously, you need a mass driver to killme fine,but to camp a spawn point to do so, LAME

Nerfs and buffs don't happen because of threads based on feels. Whenever they change a weapon, the explanation is accompanied with graphs and data that state why it should be changed.

If there's a spike in Mass Driver effectiveness, then yes, it'll get nerfed.

Once MD are used by a mass amount of players you'll see more " MD need a nerf" I think the blast needs to chill out about 1.5m ETA until nerf 1 and a half months once everyone goes into it and pub matchs are flooded with MD. This will be a nightmare for ARMOR based players.

No, BC by that logic the duvolle needs a mega-nerf BC I get killed by that more than anything else.

Pff, so why haven't the assault rifle been nerfed? Why haven't they fixed the scouts or the shotgun? Again don't talk with out knowing. Just because they show you a pretty little chart doesn't mean they use that mainly. All they look for is "performance" as in kills. Um the assault rifle kills more than any other weapon in the game yet they see a "spike" in kills. Bullshyt. That's like saying they will nerf the nova knife once people start using it more. Bullshyt, people spent time to spec into this and that and they want to nerf it because a lot of players started using it? Um last time I checked almost everyone and their mom use assault rifles nerf nao please. They can't nerf just because it's being used more. That's a bullshyt excuse

The MD becomes OP when you cannot effectively assault the user because he is in a difficult to reach, elevated area. People don't complain about elevated AR users because you can use cover. The MD splash radius reduces your ability to take cover to near zero.

I've been using the MD for 9 months. It's as effective as it's ever been right now.

Fixing the hit detection issues was huge for the MD. I think they could take a look at the splash radius personally. I've mentioned that to fellow MD users and they get pretty pissed, but I'd rather look at it honestly than see CCP come in with a nerf hammer on steroids.

All that being said, before anyone QQ's about the MD try using it for a bit.

There are guys that are using the flaylock to take down shields and follow up with the MD, but for the most part people are locked into Flux grenades, the MD, and a nanohive in their equipment slot. This of course being assault guys.

For a logi (outside of the Amarr) you are stuck with the MD and it's limited ammo, the Flux, and nanohives have to be a huge part of the equipment you carry.

I think the MD should be called the temporary flavor of the month, not because of a nerf causing people to seek out a new weapon but the limitations of the weapon being too much for many to use long term.

I am an armor tanking masshole. Rival MD users are not my biggest threat. Often, when I find myself dueling with another MD, we either drive each other away, distract until help arrives, or I get the kill alone. When I die to a rival MD, it's almost exclusively because I was not paying attention or found myself in a 2+ vs 1.

Currently, I die mostly to surprise HMGs, sniping forges, trying to flux/MD llav, and superior gunplay from any AR/ScR/SMG. Oh, and also trying to be Rambo and charging into CQC with large squads, lol! Often leads to my suicide too! :)

My fit is as follows;
Gal. Adv. Assault
Enhanced shield extender
Enhanced light weapon damage

Enhanced plate
Enhanced Ferro plate
Enhanced Rep

Flux
Hive

EXO-5
Toxin SMG

same here, i didnt request respec to tac at the first of uprising i stuck with the broken MD, now the splash rad is just ez mode/retrrded, but we know that CCP won't fine tune the splash they'll take their normal dumbass approach and resmash the wep back down to nothing. just get the dam nerf over with already so we can go back to being oddities instead this FOTM sht

he got killed with madd driver all week- that's some hard numbers and solid data right there, CCP will surely take note

Yes, 100% of the time, some one was killed by a weapon that was broken for ages, has travel time, and gets out DPS by a lot of weapons, for a straight week.

In all seriousness I was using the Mass Driver since mid-Codex. If because an increase in people using the weapon causes it to get nerfed, then that is wrongful nerf. The Flaylock was OP, because as a sidearm it could kill in two shots not particularly aimed well. My mass driver takes 3 shots for a lot of these health stackers and it's a Light Weapon.

I can't just drop this weapon to save it, I have been using it for ages through thick and thin. Right now, I can honestly say that it's getting to a good spot. Not OP, not UP, almost just right. What calls for a Nerf is when the weapon at hand can beat all others hands down. The mass Driver is far from that. Go out to 30-40 meters and you can see exactly where it is going and avoid it. I can't magically slow down time and see where AR fire is going.

But words for words, the Mass Driver has AOE, which makes people angry and does in fact cut down on aiming skill (but it still has travel time).

Ya'll realize that:

This particular cycle of FOTM happens to be on MD and FG?

Before this it was Flocks

Before that it was ...

And way back missiles were op

Its a cycle of laughs... The community sees an increase in a particular kill...maybe due to map type, play style, etc and it becomes too much. Begs nerd, gets nerd.

Next FOTM

over and over.

I've been in MD and FG for a while, mostly as a way for area defense (MD) or to solve mario cart 514 (FG).

This is part of the Darwinistic lifecycle of the Dust/eve universe. If ccp wants to relax a little. work on cor content, stop wasting time and energy on this c***. If you don't like FG<---SNIPE, if you don't like MD<----get to higher ground, get cover.

D**, play smart, squad up, get a mic and don't blast your music while playing. maybe people would want to play with you (instead you are on mute and wonder why no one talks)

Funny - how come nobody tried this when facing flaylocks despite the same argument being made.

A big part of the population playing this game dont want to alter tactics so they QQ until they get what they want.

But these people have IQ's over 9000...

The problem is with the fundamentals of the mass driver to begin with. It does crap damage to 200 shield but will two shot 600 armor.

Now that statement in itself has nothing wrong with it to be honest.

The problem is the way the mass driver was designed around the classes. Currently there is still massive stale mates happening on non CQC maps, Basically your enemy and you close to the effective AR range and no side advances.

The immediate ground between the two sides is a death zone for anyone trying to bridge the gap. This is what The Heavy class was created for, for massive infantry tanks with medic support that can push and bridge the gaps.

This became a problem when people who didn't understand heavy started to chime in on its balances, Heavy shouldn't be an offensive based class it should be defense and survivability and it just isn't right now.

Mass drivers are a problem because they conflict with how the game's framework was set out. They have a massive armor damage bonus and stupid range which in case is the problem for the Heavy class. Heavies main threat should be a flanking shotgunner because the AR aren't covering them, a sniper... same cover issue.

The Heavy class should not have the gank ability to kill an assault/medic without them having the option to get away, And the assault and medic should not have the ability to kill the heavy without severe ammo/time consumption, basically the heavy needs half the damage, double the range and triple the survivability on the field.

Fixing the flux blast radius and buffing the mass driver is the double buff on things that have to stop in patches. Was like LAV Buff where you made them crazy strong and made AV tracking and registry horrific. One

Forge gun's are tricky because the heavy class only has two weapon choices really. But tank and dropship inbalances are completely due to Forge guns. Having Militia gun that can one shot kamehameha any Infantry was always a stupid idea... if its a completely stationary target? Sure. But a moving target at over 8meters /s? and your hitting full damage? CCP basically needs to hire a Gun Nut who lives sleeps and breaths guns, so tactical and realistic world representations for futuristic guns can be created.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they were using a mass driver, and everything to do with the fact that they were camping. You can camp with any gun....

Snipers, forge guns, dropships and thats just 3 off the top of my head. If it was an uncounter-able tactic I would agree with you but taking the high ground has been a military tactic since the primary weapon was a pointy stick.

Also allot of these people trying this actually have really bad aim. I was in a game last night and it was the B is a mushroom map and some dude was firing at me from the roof with his MD, fair enough you know what I did? I fired back, two direct hits later and the nugget who stood perfectly still trying to get me is dead. Unless your running around on your own it is easy to catch the lone roof MDer when he is targeting someone else and worst case scaring him off a bit and highlighting him for a friendly sniper.

Have you thought that, perhaps, maybe, the general purpose weapon may generally be used?

It's a weapon that's good at many things, yet is outclassed by many things. My LR is almost an instagib rifle in its optimal, whereas the AR would tickle at the same range. The MD is a much better area denial weapon than the AR. The scram rifle deals with shields much better than the AR. The shotgun is much better than the AR at extremely close ranges. The sniper is much better at extremely long ranges. The PC (lol)... really has no place.

The AR is a weapon everyone has used in every other FPS game, and feels comfortable to use. It is an adaptable weapon, good at many things, yet is outclassed by other weapons when they fit their niche.

Of course, you probably stuck your fingers in your ears and started yelling to drown me out, because god forbid I don't hop on the "AR is OP" train.

Should add that I love my LR, and wouldn't trade it for any other weapon.

The flay was OP because of RoF, so they nerfed splash and dmg to make it nearly useless because everyone screamed "Its a sidearm!"

And you all realize the MD has been nerfed and buffed more than any other weapn in the game, and they finally have it just about right. I will admit splash is to big. The assault (which I use as a support logi) has way too big of a splash. It should be about where the regular is splash wise now. Maybe a little more. 6 meters is plenty for area denial. Why 8?

All I got out of that was

The heavy suit is broken
Armor is broken
(Both true)

And you dont like the idea of a heavy sniper? If a FG hit you running at over 8 m/s he was a good shot.
If you lower dmg on the forge tanks and dropships will be OP again. Splash has already been nerfed a couple times iirc and is in a pretty good place now.

AV grenades are what really break the vehicle balance and should be nerfed/removed imo.

The flay was OP because of RoF, so they nerfed splash and dmg to make it nearly useless because everyone screamed "Its a sidearm!"

And you all realize the MD has been nerfed and buffed more than any other weapn in the game, and they finally have it just about right. I will admit splash is to big. The assault (which I use as a support logi) has way too big of a splash. It should be about where the regular is splash wise now. Maybe a little more. 6 meters is plenty for area denial. Why 8?

But the assault mass driver has lower damage. I think it's a fair trade off. I don't own the assault mass driver. I'm just a level 3

The problem is with the fundamentals of the mass driver to begin with. It does crap damage to 200 shield but will two shot 600 armor.

Now that statement in itself has nothing wrong with it to be honest.

The problem is the way the mass driver was designed around the classes. Currently there is still massive stale mates happening on non CQC maps, Basically your enemy and you close to the effective AR range and no side advances.

The immediate ground between the two sides is a death zone for anyone trying to bridge the gap. This is what The Heavy class was created for, for massive infantry tanks with medic support that can push and bridge the gaps.

This became a problem when people who didn't understand heavy started to chime in on its balances, Heavy shouldn't be an offensive based class it should be defense and survivability and it just isn't right now.

Mass drivers are a problem because they conflict with how the game's framework was set out. They have a massive armor damage bonus and stupid range which in case is the problem for the Heavy class. Heavies main threat should be a flanking shotgunner because the AR aren't covering them, a sniper... same cover issue.

The Heavy class should not have the gank ability to kill an assault/medic without them having the option to get away, And the assault and medic should not have the ability to kill the heavy without severe ammo/time consumption, basically the heavy needs half the damage, double the range and triple the survivability on the field.

Fixing the flux blast radius and buffing the mass driver is the double buff on things that have to stop in patches. Was like LAV Buff where you made them crazy strong and made AV tracking and registry horrific. One

Forge gun's are tricky because the heavy class only has two weapon choices really. But tank and dropship inbalances are completely due to Forge guns. Having Militia gun that can one shot kamehameha any Infantry was always a stupid idea... if its a completely stationary target? Sure. But a moving target at over 8meters /s? and your hitting full damage? CCP basically needs to hire a Gun Nut who lives sleeps and breaths guns, so tactical and realistic world representations for futuristic guns can be created.

Your not getting 1 shotted by splash unless your a scout. And its called "leading your target." Quit running in a straight line.

Heavys are broken, quite blaming the MD.

And AV grenades rock anything that isn't a dropship, or rail-sniping. You should actually have to spec into AV, not spec into core locusts and get proto AV as a bonus.

Look I stated the mass driver works well great idea and everything it works well and I like it a lot. But come on ccp nurfed to weapons the flaylock and TACAR because people cryed about it too much about it because every one used them . And I'm seeing it with the MD now its team easy with put friendly fire on you can spam them without any repercussions. I'm tank armor and I get frustrated but I'm putting that to the side I also have a shield tank but I never get guned down by lasers or scrambler rifle witch I love that gun. All I'm am saying is too many people use and abuse it i never said it was op just used to much.

Nerfs and buffs don't happen because of threads based on feels. Whenever they change a weapon, the explanation is accompanied with graphs and data that state why it should be changed.

If there's a spike in Mass Driver effectiveness, then yes, it'll get nerfed.

Fuck off, AR scrub.

Unlike the **** you use, mass drivers actually take skill. I'm glad to see they're actually being used again- AR dominance is incredibly annoying.

I miss chromosome. The only balance issue was a broken stat; until AR scrubs complained and got an entire class of weapons nerfed. I knew you would go after mass drivers next.
MDs and forge guns are the only non-ARs left that work the way they should.

Ya'll realize that:

This particular cycle of FOTM happens to be on MD and FG?

Before this it was Flocks

Before that it was ...

And way back missiles were op

Its a cycle of laughs... The community sees an increase in a particular kill...maybe due to map type, play style, etc and it becomes too much. Begs nerd, gets nerd.

Next FOTM

over and over.

You get credit for making me laugh when you said MD takes skill. Congrats on that.

except theonly pplI ever se ecamping a CRU are MD users or redline snipers:P

@Bethhy

I run gallente logi with about 600 ehp. Over 400 of that is armor. ANYTHING explosive rocks me. I kill myself with my massdriver at least 1 or 2 times a day (hence why I say splash is way too big.) Your not getting the point that armor is broken period. All plates need about 50% more hp to make it competitive. Until armor is fixed you can't blame the MD.

It sounds like you are running scout so any opinion you have on the forge is mute. Scout is broken as well. If your not running a scout, you are being direct hit by a forge or wearing basic or lower gear. Both weapons are fairly balanced. Moreso than probably any other weapons in the game. They have also had the most tweaking since dusts inceptiin.

Use it. It fires on an arc and has a travel time, unlike your instant-hit easymode ARs. You can also kill yourself really easily in CQC, are tied to nanohives/supply depots, and you need to be extremely good with it to kill anyone above you.

Armor is interesting, flaylock does more armor damage, rail technology does more armor damage, heavy machine gun gets armor damage bonus, mass driver gets armor damage bonus.

As far as killing yourself with MD... You already are receiving less damage at that range then an enemy would... making the gun broken there too... flaylock aswell, yes killing yourself is a side affect of using an AOE weapon but its less so in DUST.

No scout ;) no lower gear ;)

Triple the HP....you want heavies to run around with 3000+ HP? Yea that would completely break this game.

How exactly do I receive less damage than my enemy in CQC? If we are both armor fit we receive the same damage unless I get a direct hit, if they are shield fit, I receive more, or about the same..

And you seem to be skirting around the forge issue. The forge is the most powerful weapon in the game but has heavy drawbacks (pun intended.) It should 1 shot all but the toughest of infantry with splash (2m radius I believe?) And instakill infantry with direct hit.

Will you complain if someone oneshots you with a mlt sniper rifle or standard plasma cannon?

I did use it....and I laughed at the sheer carnage that 1 skill point into the MDs can do. Proto suits? There a joke when using the MD. Doesnt matter which protosuit....the only protosuit that survives more than 3 shots is the caldari.....and that takes 4. Its laughably easy to target. I consistently hit targets that a pretty far away....but then again as a nade master this is the same thing just easy moded. The 4 meter radius means I always hit the enemy unless there is some weird dip in the terrain that somehow blocks the shot....but even that is a rarity. Shooting people who are above you is a little more difficult and takes a little more skill but by and large its not as difficult as MD users note here. I wrote a long piece on the MD after using just the standard one and how much of a joke it is that people act like its hard to use. Dude if this is hard for dust players to use then the skill lvl of dust players is even lower than I thought.....and I thought the general skill level was low to begin with.


To see my full statement regarding the mass driver https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142616#post1142616

BTW you people keep claiming I use ARs. Hate to burst your bubble but no matter how often you say it this does not make it correct. I use the ASCR......get used to it.

If they want to max out a tank like the current 1k+ armor heavies they can be a slow walking target why not?


We aren't shooting an LAV with little damage recognition and no hitboxes for damage multiplyer's. How much health would you think an infantry "tank" would need to bridge AR range stalemates?

Video or it didn't happen. The standard mass driver is pure ****.

Um well first off....everyone would spec into heavies as there would be no reason to be anything else if you are a slayer. If your mainly a support guy then you would probably just run a repairer and sit behind your superman.....you realize the repair guns can repair 100+ hp per second right.....and I think maybe even to 2 different targets at the same time.

Also CCP stated that the heavies were designed to be a mobile defensive platform.......not an offensive one.

So yea a 3000+ HP heavy would be basically invincible......until everyone was one. Then all we would have is a slow lumbering players using the HMGs trying to kill eachother and constantly failing. TTK would probably be changed to minutes instead of seconds.

its my understanding that a mass driver is a crowd control weapon, it should have a large splash dmg radius with low direct dmg and be a mid to long range weapon.

users at the moment can shoot it almost directly at their feet to take out targets without killing themselves I think the splash dmg should be increased to prevent this

as a crowd control weapon it should not (even at proto level) be able to kill in 2-3 shots, I would suggest lowering its rate of fire by 1/3 and increasing its clip size. at proto level, instead of any dmg increase I thing splash radius and rate of fire should be increased...

that's my 2 cents.... and yeah be prepared the nerf bat is coming, and the result will probably not be this sensible.

1sec is a long time to stand still at a distance

LOL yes because its impossible for someone to be actually telling the truth..............not that I even have video capture device. You can ask Taste....he was there. Although he was drunk. I would say you could ask Stryker....but he fell asleep drunk while we were playing....so honestly I dont know how you would view those two. Kain Spero was there was well but I am sure you would not believe him either.

If you beleive a game we have shields and armor and build "tanks" on suits, should have guns that one shot u regardless... i don't know what to say? There are plenty of other games that fit that bill with quick scoping and all that fun.

Shoot your feet and see how many shots it takes to eat your health with the MD, then repeat with a red dot same health. Repeat with flaylock.

*EDIT Officer weapons are always an exception

I did use it....and I laughed at the sheer carnage that 1 skill point into the MDs can do. Proto suits? There a joke when using the MD. Doesnt matter which protosuit....the only protosuit that survives more than 3 shots is the caldari.....and that takes 4. Its laughably easy to target. I consistently hit targets that a pretty far away....but then again as a nade master this is the same thing just easy moded. The 4 meter radius means I always hit the enemy unless there is some weird dip in the terrain that somehow blocks the shot....but even that is a rarity. Shooting people who are above you is a little more difficult and takes a little more skill but by and large its not as difficult as MD users note here. I wrote a long piece on the MD after using just the standard one and how much of a joke it is that people act like its hard to use. Dude if this is hard for dust players to use then the skill lvl of dust players is even lower than I thought.....and I thought the general skill level was low to begin with.


To see my full statement regarding the mass driver https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142616#post1142616

BTW you people keep claiming I use ARs. Hate to burst your bubble but no matter how often you say it this does not make it correct. I use the ASCR......get used to it.

^ I can't get over this dude saying he ran around with a basic MD with no skills in MD and was 3 or 4 shoting proto suits with no flux.

I'll throw down 5 million ISK to see it happen.

LOL yes because its impossible for someone to be actually telling the truth..............not that I even have video capture device. You can ask Taste....he was there. Although he was drunk. I would say you could ask Stryker....but he fell asleep drunk while we were playing....so honestly I dont know how you would view those two. Kain Spero was there was well but I am sure you would not believe him either.

Now who is assuming about another player? And there are plenty of weapons that 1 shot in this game.
Shotgun, sniper rifle, forge gun, nova knives, grenades...

And as I have stated before I kill myself in CQC quite often. Sometimes the person I'm shooting at lives. Don't make assumptions because someone beat you in CQC with an MD. It damages the user as much as the target.

And no, snipers don't one shot proto's(excluding thales, balac's), nore do shotguns.... nore nova knives. A core locus or militia grenade will end everyone though, as a grenade thrown at a camping target should.

its not assumptions silly, its fact. just go do it for yourself shoot your feet and then the enemy the damage values are different, the server bullet registry aside.

Not sure what game your playing. Go into a PC match and tell me proto snipers,shotgunners and knifers don't OHK proto. With complex dmg mods 600-700 ehp is nothing for those weapons. Maybe armor just sucks that bad and only gallente have that issue..

No, obviously I was talking about battle academy.

^ I can't get over this dude saying he ran around with a basic MD with no skills in MD and was 3 or 4 shoting proto suits with no flux.

I'll throw down 5 million ISK to see it happen.

I get killed by MD more than anything lately (it's a CQC thing) but I don't want t. Ym nerfed. Or anything.
Just learn to deal with it or create the neverending pillow fight interrupted by AR fire.

So I know the mass driver is fun and a great weapon that easy to usebut, ccp has been know to nurf ( so called balance) because I've over use. IV been murdered by it for a solid week now and I fore see this happening to the mass driver just like the flaylock, Just because over use . Given its a primary weapon I still see this happening. The tacAR was nurfed hard so don't think that it will never happen. The FOTM'S NEES TO STOP or risk a possible nurf.
I wanna hear some feedback so lets talk.

Sadly i wish the actual repair gun repaired that much i think its more around 30hp/s and the one that can lock on two targets is similar, the monster health repair comes from the proto nanohives pumping out 70hp/s

The heavy I was saying needed considerble less damage, its a defensive character not an offensive one.. its ment to take a hit. will heavies moving foward with medics aat their back be bad ass? hell yeah. will they be able to turn around and stop a shotgunner? or two AR's hitting the big slow moving head?

*EDIT slow lumbering players that are hard to kill was kinda the purpose of a tank class.

You wanna learn a trick to kill them. Either throw a grenade at the or run away in a straight line at first than start zigzag, you'll get hit but you won't die and you can also pick him off at the distance. I do this all the time. sometimes i back away from tje wall ajd wait until i count 6 shots. Than rush with a flux and kill

No, BC by that logic the duvolle needs a mega-nerf BC I get killed by that more than anything else.

It's depressing that I saw this thread coming months (almost a year) in advance.
Mass drivers have gotten nothing but buffs and fixes since I've played.

When I started- catastrophic hit detection, tiny clip, terrible sight, very loud, could see the grenade FROM THE MAP
Codex- hit detection improvement- still buggy though
Chromosome- clip size buff, sound effect change, no longer able to see the rounds on the map
Uprising 1.0- sight improvement, hit detection broken again
Uprising 1.2- hit detection completely fixed

I predicted that as soon as they're working right, people would start complaining.

Agree big time and kept making that point on the FP.

On the MD, I could see a small reduction of radius OR a tiny reduction of splash damage.
- I wouldnt want the blast radius on the standard ones to be much smaller than grenades.

Maybe a gal proto?

So I know the mass driver is fun and a great weapon that easy to usebut, ccp has been know to nurf ( so called balance) because I've over use. IV been murdered by it for a solid week now and I fore see this happening to the mass driver just like the flaylock, Just because over use . Given its a primary weapon I still see this happening. The tacAR was nurfed hard so don't think that it will never happen. The FOTM'S NEES TO STOP or risk a possible nurf.
I wanna hear some feedback so lets talk.

You do realize that mass drivers only account for about a tenth of the kills? ARs are typically about 90% of a match's kills. Warning to AR users, ARs are on the chopping block due to over use.

This is stupid. The OP (and countless others before and after him) has made a specious argument (look it up). CCP, for all their foolishness, are not complete idiots. It may appear that they nerf any weapon that is popular, but that's not the case. Association is not causality.

We are the sheep, not CCP. When we start getting killed a lot by things, we follow the herd and the weapon gets popular. It's popular, because it's OP. It gets nerfed, because it's OP. That doesn't mean that popular weapons get nerfed, it means that OP weapons get popular. The LR got the living crap nerfed out of it and it wasn't THAT popular, not like the TAR, contact nades, and flaylocks were. I don't recall routinely seeing entire squads, or even multiple squads, running them. I do recall faces melting from halfway across the battlefield though.

Any effect popularity might have is to bring quicker attention to the OP-ness of the weapon. People have been QQing about the FG almost as long as the flaylock, yet it didn't get nerfed with 1.3. Why? Because it does what it's supposed to. The AR? No weapons is more popular, and man do I want to gouge my own eyes out every time that buster guy shows up to ***** about that; and yet no nerf.

The flaylock is a sidearm, not meant to be a primary weapon. The dev blog said straight out they intended it to be a high-skill precision weapon, but instead it was lol 'splosion city, so they changed it to work the way they intended it to. Same thing with the TAR, it was supposed to be a precision med-long range weapon but every a-hole with a wal-mart $15 modded turbo controller turned those things into duvolles to the third power. Seriously, this just should not be that hard a concept to understand.

Note: I really hope a dev reads this and comments, because confirming that this is their approach would save a whole crapton of threads that will inevitably follow.


TL;DR: OP weapons are popular, that's why popular weapons get nerfed. Because they're OP, not because they're popular.

So you're saying the Mass Driver is OP. Ha okay, do you realize the Mass Driver was nerfed the most out of every gun? They made it so bad it barely wasn't usable. And yes ccp do nerf mostly based on popularity. The only reason the ar doesn't get nerf is because it's the "golden standard" of dust. It makes the money for dust. The assault rifle has the most bpos. It's the easiest gun to use. That's why it isn't nerfed and won't be nerfed. Your argument is almost a decent one but yet you still ignore the facts. I bet you that if everyone starts using the laser rifle again it will get cried about and ccp will notice a spike in its performance (kills) thus it will get nerfed. Look at how the flay lock got nerfed, I'm not by no means saying it wasn't OP. But the fact that they based the nerf on mainly how many kills only shows that when a weapon other than the assault rifle gets popular it will get nerfed. It's almost a given deal. So please don't try to impress us with your fancy words and a huge paragraph that is basically saying the same thing over and over. Heck I bet that even the new fotm became the smg, shot gun (after they fix the hit detection) it will get nerfed. Not because it's OP but because people are becoming deadly with it. So please don't write a other book about the same thing. You know I'm right, CCP has to fix other things. Add new content to the game. Etc. Some weapons need buff. The aiming system needs to be fixed which once it's fixed we are going to see even more nerf threads. So again keep this in mind. Thank you