Funny - how come nobody tried this when facing flaylocks despite the same argument being made.

A big part of the population playing this game dont want to alter tactics so they QQ until they get what they want.

But these people have IQ's over 9000...

The problem is with the fundamentals of the mass driver to begin with. It does crap damage to 200 shield but will two shot 600 armor.

Now that statement in itself has nothing wrong with it to be honest.

The problem is the way the mass driver was designed around the classes. Currently there is still massive stale mates happening on non CQC maps, Basically your enemy and you close to the effective AR range and no side advances.

The immediate ground between the two sides is a death zone for anyone trying to bridge the gap. This is what The Heavy class was created for, for massive infantry tanks with medic support that can push and bridge the gaps.

This became a problem when people who didn't understand heavy started to chime in on its balances, Heavy shouldn't be an offensive based class it should be defense and survivability and it just isn't right now.

Mass drivers are a problem because they conflict with how the game's framework was set out. They have a massive armor damage bonus and stupid range which in case is the problem for the Heavy class. Heavies main threat should be a flanking shotgunner because the AR aren't covering them, a sniper... same cover issue.

The Heavy class should not have the gank ability to kill an assault/medic without them having the option to get away, And the assault and medic should not have the ability to kill the heavy without severe ammo/time consumption, basically the heavy needs half the damage, double the range and triple the survivability on the field.

Fixing the flux blast radius and buffing the mass driver is the double buff on things that have to stop in patches. Was like LAV Buff where you made them crazy strong and made AV tracking and registry horrific. One

Forge gun's are tricky because the heavy class only has two weapon choices really. But tank and dropship inbalances are completely due to Forge guns. Having Militia gun that can one shot kamehameha any Infantry was always a stupid idea... if its a completely stationary target? Sure. But a moving target at over 8meters /s? and your hitting full damage? CCP basically needs to hire a Gun Nut who lives sleeps and breaths guns, so tactical and realistic world representations for futuristic guns can be created.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they were using a mass driver, and everything to do with the fact that they were camping. You can camp with any gun....

Snipers, forge guns, dropships and thats just 3 off the top of my head. If it was an uncounter-able tactic I would agree with you but taking the high ground has been a military tactic since the primary weapon was a pointy stick.

Also allot of these people trying this actually have really bad aim. I was in a game last night and it was the B is a mushroom map and some dude was firing at me from the roof with his MD, fair enough you know what I did? I fired back, two direct hits later and the nugget who stood perfectly still trying to get me is dead. Unless your running around on your own it is easy to catch the lone roof MDer when he is targeting someone else and worst case scaring him off a bit and highlighting him for a friendly sniper.

Have you thought that, perhaps, maybe, the general purpose weapon may generally be used?

It's a weapon that's good at many things, yet is outclassed by many things. My LR is almost an instagib rifle in its optimal, whereas the AR would tickle at the same range. The MD is a much better area denial weapon than the AR. The scram rifle deals with shields much better than the AR. The shotgun is much better than the AR at extremely close ranges. The sniper is much better at extremely long ranges. The PC (lol)... really has no place.

The AR is a weapon everyone has used in every other FPS game, and feels comfortable to use. It is an adaptable weapon, good at many things, yet is outclassed by other weapons when they fit their niche.

Of course, you probably stuck your fingers in your ears and started yelling to drown me out, because god forbid I don't hop on the "AR is OP" train.

Should add that I love my LR, and wouldn't trade it for any other weapon.

The flay was OP because of RoF, so they nerfed splash and dmg to make it nearly useless because everyone screamed "Its a sidearm!"

And you all realize the MD has been nerfed and buffed more than any other weapn in the game, and they finally have it just about right. I will admit splash is to big. The assault (which I use as a support logi) has way too big of a splash. It should be about where the regular is splash wise now. Maybe a little more. 6 meters is plenty for area denial. Why 8?

All I got out of that was

The heavy suit is broken
Armor is broken
(Both true)

And you dont like the idea of a heavy sniper? If a FG hit you running at over 8 m/s he was a good shot.
If you lower dmg on the forge tanks and dropships will be OP again. Splash has already been nerfed a couple times iirc and is in a pretty good place now.

AV grenades are what really break the vehicle balance and should be nerfed/removed imo.

The flay was OP because of RoF, so they nerfed splash and dmg to make it nearly useless because everyone screamed "Its a sidearm!"

And you all realize the MD has been nerfed and buffed more than any other weapn in the game, and they finally have it just about right. I will admit splash is to big. The assault (which I use as a support logi) has way too big of a splash. It should be about where the regular is splash wise now. Maybe a little more. 6 meters is plenty for area denial. Why 8?

But the assault mass driver has lower damage. I think it's a fair trade off. I don't own the assault mass driver. I'm just a level 3

The problem is with the fundamentals of the mass driver to begin with. It does crap damage to 200 shield but will two shot 600 armor.

Now that statement in itself has nothing wrong with it to be honest.

The problem is the way the mass driver was designed around the classes. Currently there is still massive stale mates happening on non CQC maps, Basically your enemy and you close to the effective AR range and no side advances.

The immediate ground between the two sides is a death zone for anyone trying to bridge the gap. This is what The Heavy class was created for, for massive infantry tanks with medic support that can push and bridge the gaps.

This became a problem when people who didn't understand heavy started to chime in on its balances, Heavy shouldn't be an offensive based class it should be defense and survivability and it just isn't right now.

Mass drivers are a problem because they conflict with how the game's framework was set out. They have a massive armor damage bonus and stupid range which in case is the problem for the Heavy class. Heavies main threat should be a flanking shotgunner because the AR aren't covering them, a sniper... same cover issue.

The Heavy class should not have the gank ability to kill an assault/medic without them having the option to get away, And the assault and medic should not have the ability to kill the heavy without severe ammo/time consumption, basically the heavy needs half the damage, double the range and triple the survivability on the field.

Fixing the flux blast radius and buffing the mass driver is the double buff on things that have to stop in patches. Was like LAV Buff where you made them crazy strong and made AV tracking and registry horrific. One

Forge gun's are tricky because the heavy class only has two weapon choices really. But tank and dropship inbalances are completely due to Forge guns. Having Militia gun that can one shot kamehameha any Infantry was always a stupid idea... if its a completely stationary target? Sure. But a moving target at over 8meters /s? and your hitting full damage? CCP basically needs to hire a Gun Nut who lives sleeps and breaths guns, so tactical and realistic world representations for futuristic guns can be created.

Your not getting 1 shotted by splash unless your a scout. And its called "leading your target." Quit running in a straight line.

Heavys are broken, quite blaming the MD.

And AV grenades rock anything that isn't a dropship, or rail-sniping. You should actually have to spec into AV, not spec into core locusts and get proto AV as a bonus.

Look I stated the mass driver works well great idea and everything it works well and I like it a lot. But come on ccp nurfed to weapons the flaylock and TACAR because people cryed about it too much about it because every one used them . And I'm seeing it with the MD now its team easy with put friendly fire on you can spam them without any repercussions. I'm tank armor and I get frustrated but I'm putting that to the side I also have a shield tank but I never get guned down by lasers or scrambler rifle witch I love that gun. All I'm am saying is too many people use and abuse it i never said it was op just used to much.

Nerfs and buffs don't happen because of threads based on feels. Whenever they change a weapon, the explanation is accompanied with graphs and data that state why it should be changed.

If there's a spike in Mass Driver effectiveness, then yes, it'll get nerfed.

Fuck off, AR scrub.

Unlike the **** you use, mass drivers actually take skill. I'm glad to see they're actually being used again- AR dominance is incredibly annoying.

I miss chromosome. The only balance issue was a broken stat; until AR scrubs complained and got an entire class of weapons nerfed. I knew you would go after mass drivers next.
MDs and forge guns are the only non-ARs left that work the way they should.

Ya'll realize that:

This particular cycle of FOTM happens to be on MD and FG?

Before this it was Flocks

Before that it was ...

And way back missiles were op

Its a cycle of laughs... The community sees an increase in a particular kill...maybe due to map type, play style, etc and it becomes too much. Begs nerd, gets nerd.

Next FOTM

over and over.

You get credit for making me laugh when you said MD takes skill. Congrats on that.

except theonly pplI ever se ecamping a CRU are MD users or redline snipers:P

@Bethhy

I run gallente logi with about 600 ehp. Over 400 of that is armor. ANYTHING explosive rocks me. I kill myself with my massdriver at least 1 or 2 times a day (hence why I say splash is way too big.) Your not getting the point that armor is broken period. All plates need about 50% more hp to make it competitive. Until armor is fixed you can't blame the MD.

It sounds like you are running scout so any opinion you have on the forge is mute. Scout is broken as well. If your not running a scout, you are being direct hit by a forge or wearing basic or lower gear. Both weapons are fairly balanced. Moreso than probably any other weapons in the game. They have also had the most tweaking since dusts inceptiin.