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xLT Green
Damage Core corp. The Superpowers
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:23:00 -
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So I know the mass driver is fun and a great weapon that easy to usebut, ccp has been know to nurf ( so called balance) because I've over use. IV been murdered by it for a solid week now and I fore see this happening to the mass driver just like the flaylock, Just because over use . Given its a primary weapon I still see this happening. The tacAR was nurfed hard so don't think that it will never happen. The FOTM'S NEES TO STOP or risk a possible nurf. I wanna hear some feedback so lets talk. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
653
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:24:00 -
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yep mass driver and forge guns are already probably on teh chopping block, right next to lav's.
if you've been around mmo gaming forums long enough it's easy to see the warning signs. |
Jade Hasegawa
Intrepidus XI EoN.
37
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:26:00 -
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since the flaylock nerf I have seen a massive increase of Mass driver use particularily the scrubs that camp CRU and as sson as you move from spawn BOOM
Seriously, you need a mass driver to killme fine,but to camp a spawn point to do so, LAME |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
430
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:28:00 -
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You do realize that mass drivers only account for about a tenth of the kills? ARs are typically about 90% of a match's kills. Warning to AR users, ARs are on the chopping block due to over use. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
808
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:30:00 -
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xLT Green wrote:So I know the mass driver is fun and a great weapon that easy to usebut, ccp has been know to nurf ( so called balance) because I've over use. IV been murdered by it for a solid week now and I fore see this happening to the mass driver just like the flaylock, Just because over use . Given its a primary weapon I still see this happening. The tacAR was nurfed hard so don't think that it will never happen. The FOTM'S NEES TO STOP or risk a possible nurf. I wanna hear some feedback so lets talk.
I've been using the MD for 9 months. It's as effective as it's ever been right now.
Fixing the hit detection issues was huge for the MD. I think they could take a look at the splash radius personally. I've mentioned that to fellow MD users and they get pretty pissed, but I'd rather look at it honestly than see CCP come in with a nerf hammer on steroids.
All that being said, before anyone QQ's about the MD try using it for a bit.
There are guys that are using the flaylock to take down shields and follow up with the MD, but for the most part people are locked into Flux grenades, the MD, and a nanohive in their equipment slot. This of course being assault guys.
For a logi (outside of the Amarr) you are stuck with the MD and it's limited ammo, the Flux, and nanohives have to be a huge part of the equipment you carry.
I think the MD should be called the temporary flavor of the month, not because of a nerf causing people to seek out a new weapon but the limitations of the weapon being too much for many to use long term. |
GET ATMESON
Robbing The Hood
96
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:31:00 -
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xLT Green wrote:So I know the mass driver is fun and a great weapon that easy to usebut, ccp has been know to nurf ( so called balance) because I've over use. IV been murdered by it for a solid week now and I fore see this happening to the mass driver just like the flaylock, Just because over use . Given its a primary weapon I still see this happening. The tacAR was nurfed hard so don't think that it will never happen. The FOTM'S NEES TO STOP or risk a possible nurf. I wanna hear some feedback so lets talk.
Once MD are used by a mass amount of players you'll see more " MD need a nerf" I think the blast needs to chill out about 1.5m ETA until nerf 1 and a half months once everyone goes into it and pub matchs are flooded with MD. This will be a nightmare for ARMOR based players. |
Jake Bloodworth
DUST University Ivy League
59
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:37:00 -
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I'm not ready to jump on the "Mass Driver" OP bandwagon just yet. I will say that I see it abused effectively in very niche areas. Much like the forge gun, the MD seems to shine when it has elevation. The MD becomes OP when you cannot effectively assault the user because he is in a difficult to reach, elevated area. People don't complain about elevated AR users because you can use cover. The MD splash radius reduces your ability to take cover to near zero.
The flaylock nerf was easy. It was a sidearm that outperformed primary weapons. The MD is not so easy to nerf intelligently. It's a primary weapon that excels at indirect fire and area denial. That is what it is supposed to do. So you can't go neutering it. Overall, a difficult weapon to balance. Especially since the problem is not actually the MD, but certain maps/objectives that are perfect for its use. |
Mamertine Son
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:39:00 -
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Stop, cease, desist.
No more nerfing. And CCP needs to stop enabling this. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
416
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:45:00 -
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more nerfs less buffs |
xLTShinySidesx
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
557
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:49:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:You do realize that mass drivers only account for about a tenth of the kills? ARs are typically about 90% of a match's kills. Warning to AR users, ARs are on the chopping block due to over use.
Good luck with that argument, that was screamed to tears when the flaylock was on the block. |
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
400
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:50:00 -
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I don't like "don't nerf the mass driver" threads, because they inevitably turn into large "nerf the mass driver" threads. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2327
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:52:00 -
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Nerfs and buffs don't happen because of threads based on feels. Whenever they change a weapon, the explanation is accompanied with graphs and data that state why it should be changed.
If there's a spike in Mass Driver effectiveness, then yes, it'll get nerfed. |
Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven EoN.
838
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:59:00 -
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No, BC by that logic the duvolle needs a mega-nerf BC I get killed by that more than anything else. |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
0uter.Heaven EoN.
251
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:01:00 -
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Jade Hasegawa wrote:since the flaylock nerf I have seen a massive increase of Mass driver use particularily the scrubs that camp CRU and as sson as you move from spawn BOOM
Seriously, you need a mass driver to killme fine,but to camp a spawn point to do so, LAME
This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they were using a mass driver, and everything to do with the fact that they were camping. You can camp with any gun.... |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
104
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:05:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Nerfs and buffs don't happen because of threads based on feels. Whenever they change a weapon, the explanation is accompanied with graphs and data that state why it should be changed.
If there's a spike in Mass Driver effectiveness, then yes, it'll get nerfed. Pff, so why haven't the assault rifle been nerfed? Why haven't they fixed the scouts or the shotgun? Again don't talk with out knowing. Just because they show you a pretty little chart doesn't mean they use that mainly. All they look for is "performance" as in kills. Um the assault rifle kills more than any other weapon in the game yet they see a "spike" in kills. Bullshyt. That's like saying they will nerf the nova knife once people start using it more. Bullshyt, people spent time to spec into this and that and they want to nerf it because a lot of players started using it? Um last time I checked almost everyone and their mom use assault rifles nerf nao please. They can't nerf just because it's being used more. That's a bullshyt excuse |
Thor McStrut
Reckoners
94
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:06:00 -
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GET ATMESON wrote:xLT Green wrote:So I know the mass driver is fun and a great weapon that easy to usebut, ccp has been know to nurf ( so called balance) because I've over use. IV been murdered by it for a solid week now and I fore see this happening to the mass driver just like the flaylock, Just because over use . Given its a primary weapon I still see this happening. The tacAR was nurfed hard so don't think that it will never happen. The FOTM'S NEES TO STOP or risk a possible nurf. I wanna hear some feedback so lets talk. Once MD are used by a mass amount of players you'll see more " MD need a nerf" I think the blast needs to chill out about 1.5m ETA until nerf 1 and a half months once everyone goes into it and pub matchs are flooded with MD. This will be a nightmare for ARMOR based players.
I am an armor tanking masshole. Rival MD users are not my biggest threat. Often, when I find myself dueling with another MD, we either drive each other away, distract until help arrives, or I get the kill alone. When I die to a rival MD, it's almost exclusively because I was not paying attention or found myself in a 2+ vs 1.
Currently, I die mostly to surprise HMGs, sniping forges, trying to flux/MD llav, and superior gunplay from any AR/ScR/SMG. Oh, and also trying to be Rambo and charging into CQC with large squads, lol! Often leads to my suicide too! :)
My fit is as follows; Gal. Adv. Assault Enhanced shield extender Enhanced light weapon damage
Enhanced plate Enhanced Ferro plate Enhanced Rep
Flux Hive
EXO-5 Toxin SMG |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
725
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:09:00 -
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Weapons arent nerfed due to their popularity. Of all the issues I have with CCP and how they balance weaponry I have yet to see them nerf a weapon just because it was popular. They have nerfed guns that werent "popular" because they were still unbalanced. So you reasoning is flawed. The only thing you can say is the more a weapon is used the more data CCP has been able to collect and the more data means the faster CCP can determine if a weapons looks balanced or if it is more effective then its supposed to be.....IE OP. |
Jake Bloodworth
DUST University Ivy League
63
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:10:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:No, BC by that logic the duvolle needs a mega-nerf BC I get killed by that more than anything else.
That is not logic. You don't compare a weapon to other weapons in order to determine effectiveness. The argument that the MD is fine because it kills less people than AR's is a silly argument made by weak minded gamers. Using your "logic", we find that LAV's of all types received undue nerfs because AR's kill more people. The flaylock was the victim of an unfair nerf because AR's kill more people. Should we reduce the needed WP's for an orbital until OB's kill as often as AR's? No, that's ludicrous and would never be proposed because OB's perform well within their specific role.
MD's may or may not be performing too well in their specific role. But don't derail a thread discussing that point with your "logic". |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2327
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:18:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Nerfs and buffs don't happen because of threads based on feels. Whenever they change a weapon, the explanation is accompanied with graphs and data that state why it should be changed.
If there's a spike in Mass Driver effectiveness, then yes, it'll get nerfed. Pff, so why haven't the assault rifle been nerfed? Why haven't they fixed the scouts or the shotgun? Again don't talk with out knowing. Just because they show you a pretty little chart doesn't mean they use that mainly. All they look for is "performance" as in kills. Um the assault rifle kills more than any other weapon in the game yet they see a "spike" in kills. Bullshyt. That's like saying they will nerf the nova knife once people start using it more. Bullshyt, people spent time to spec into this and that and they want to nerf it because a lot of players started using it? Um last time I checked almost everyone and their mom use assault rifles nerf nao please. They can't nerf just because it's being used more. That's a bullshyt excuse Have you thought that, perhaps, maybe, the general purpose weapon may generally be used?
It's a weapon that's good at many things, yet is outclassed by many things. My LR is almost an instagib rifle in its optimal, whereas the AR would tickle at the same range. The MD is a much better area denial weapon than the AR. The scram rifle deals with shields much better than the AR. The shotgun is much better than the AR at extremely close ranges. The sniper is much better at extremely long ranges. The PC (lol)... really has no place.
The AR is a weapon everyone has used in every other FPS game, and feels comfortable to use. It is an adaptable weapon, good at many things, yet is outclassed by other weapons when they fit their niche.
Of course, you probably stuck your fingers in your ears and started yelling to drown me out, because god forbid I don't hop on the "AR is OP" train.
Should add that I love my LR, and wouldn't trade it for any other weapon. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
852
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:25:00 -
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he got killed with madd driver all week- that's some hard numbers and solid data right there, CCP will surely take note |
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Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
822
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:26:00 -
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Jake Bloodworth wrote:The MD becomes OP when you cannot effectively assault the user because he is in a difficult to reach, elevated area. People don't complain about elevated AR users because you can use cover. The MD splash radius reduces your ability to take cover to near zero.
Snipers, forge guns, dropships and thats just 3 off the top of my head. If it was an uncounter-able tactic I would agree with you but taking the high ground has been a military tactic since the primary weapon was a pointy stick.
Also allot of these people trying this actually have really bad aim. I was in a game last night and it was the B is a mushroom map and some dude was firing at me from the roof with his MD, fair enough you know what I did? I fired back, two direct hits later and the nugget who stood perfectly still trying to get me is dead. Unless your running around on your own it is easy to catch the lone roof MDer when he is targeting someone else and worst case scaring him off a bit and highlighting him for a friendly sniper. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
853
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:28:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:xLT Green wrote:So I know the mass driver is fun and a great weapon that easy to usebut, ccp has been know to nurf ( so called balance) because I've over use. IV been murdered by it for a solid week now and I fore see this happening to the mass driver just like the flaylock, Just because over use . Given its a primary weapon I still see this happening. The tacAR was nurfed hard so don't think that it will never happen. The FOTM'S NEES TO STOP or risk a possible nurf. I wanna hear some feedback so lets talk. I've been using the MD for 9 months. It's as effective as it's ever been right now. Fixing the hit detection issues was huge for the MD. I think they could take a look at the splash radius personally. I've mentioned that to fellow MD users and they get pretty pissed, but I'd rather look at it honestly than see CCP come in with a nerf hammer on steroids. All that being said, before anyone QQ's about the MD try using it for a bit. There are guys that are using the flaylock to take down shields and follow up with the MD, but for the most part people are locked into Flux grenades, the MD, and a nanohive in their equipment slot. This of course being assault guys. For a logi (outside of the Amarr) you are stuck with the MD and it's limited ammo, the Flux, and nanohives have to be a huge part of the equipment you carry. I think the MD should be called the temporary flavor of the month, not because of a nerf causing people to seek out a new weapon but the limitations of the weapon being too much for many to use long term.
same here, i didnt request respec to tac at the first of uprising i stuck with the broken MD, now the splash rad is just ez mode/retrrded, but we know that CCP won't fine tune the splash they'll take their normal dumbass approach and resmash the wep back down to nothing. just get the dam nerf over with already so we can go back to being oddities instead this FOTM sht |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
213
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:30:00 -
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Winthin CQC building type areas the mass driver is a beast but out side of that it really isnt. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
818
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:31:00 -
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Thor McStrut wrote:GET ATMESON wrote:xLT Green wrote:So I know the mass driver is fun and a great weapon that easy to usebut, ccp has been know to nurf ( so called balance) because I've over use. IV been murdered by it for a solid week now and I fore see this happening to the mass driver just like the flaylock, Just because over use . Given its a primary weapon I still see this happening. The tacAR was nurfed hard so don't think that it will never happen. The FOTM'S NEES TO STOP or risk a possible nurf. I wanna hear some feedback so lets talk. Once MD are used by a mass amount of players you'll see more " MD need a nerf" I think the blast needs to chill out about 1.5m ETA until nerf 1 and a half months once everyone goes into it and pub matchs are flooded with MD. This will be a nightmare for ARMOR based players. I am an armor tanking masshole. Rival MD users are not my biggest threat. Often, when I find myself dueling with another MD, we either drive each other away, distract until help arrives, or I get the kill alone. When I die to a rival MD, it's almost exclusively because I was not paying attention or found myself in a 2+ vs 1. Currently, I die mostly to surprise HMGs, sniping forges, trying to flux/MD llav, and superior gunplay from any AR/ScR/SMG. Oh, and also trying to be Rambo and charging into CQC with large squads, lol! Often leads to my suicide too! :) My fit is as follows; Gal. Adv. Assault Enhanced shield extender Enhanced light weapon damage Enhanced plate Enhanced Ferro plate Enhanced Rep Flux Hive EXO-5 Toxin SMG
We have much more in common than a first name |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
104
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:32:00 -
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CCP should get re branded as ARP. Assault rifle protection. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
726
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:32:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:xLT Green wrote:So I know the mass driver is fun and a great weapon that easy to usebut, ccp has been know to nurf ( so called balance) because I've over use. IV been murdered by it for a solid week now and I fore see this happening to the mass driver just like the flaylock, Just because over use . Given its a primary weapon I still see this happening. The tacAR was nurfed hard so don't think that it will never happen. The FOTM'S NEES TO STOP or risk a possible nurf. I wanna hear some feedback so lets talk. I've been using the MD for 9 months. It's as effective as it's ever been right now. Fixing the hit detection issues was huge for the MD. I think they could take a look at the splash radius personally. I've mentioned that to fellow MD users and they get pretty pissed, but I'd rather look at it honestly than see CCP come in with a nerf hammer on steroids. All that being said, before anyone QQ's about the MD try using it for a bit. There are guys that are using the flaylock to take down shields and follow up with the MD, but for the most part people are locked into Flux grenades, the MD, and a nanohive in their equipment slot. This of course being assault guys. For a logi (outside of the Amarr) you are stuck with the MD and it's limited ammo, the Flux, and nanohives have to be a huge part of the equipment you carry. I think the MD should be called the temporary flavor of the month, not because of a nerf causing people to seek out a new weapon but the limitations of the weapon being too much for many to use long term. same here, i didnt request respec to tac at the first of uprising i stuck with the broken MD, now the splash rad is just ez mode/retrrded, but we know that CCP won't fine tune the splash they'll take their normal dumbass approach and resmash the wep back down to nothing. just get the dam nerf over with already so we can go back to being oddities instead this FOTM sht
I dont think I could agree with you more.....unfortunately CCP does have a history over way overnerfing something. Make the fully upgraded radius the current starting radius and you have a weapon that still fullfills and is effective in its niche. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
1381
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:36:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:he got killed with madd driver all week- that's some hard numbers and solid data right there, CCP will surely take note Yes, 100% of the time, some one was killed by a weapon that was broken for ages, has travel time, and gets out DPS by a lot of weapons, for a straight week.
In all seriousness I was using the Mass Driver since mid-Codex. If because an increase in people using the weapon causes it to get nerfed, then that is wrongful nerf. The Flaylock was OP, because as a sidearm it could kill in two shots not particularly aimed well. My mass driver takes 3 shots for a lot of these health stackers and it's a Light Weapon.
I can't just drop this weapon to save it, I have been using it for ages through thick and thin. Right now, I can honestly say that it's getting to a good spot. Not OP, not UP, almost just right. What calls for a Nerf is when the weapon at hand can beat all others hands down. The mass Driver is far from that. Go out to 30-40 meters and you can see exactly where it is going and avoid it. I can't magically slow down time and see where AR fire is going. |
BLKDG
ROYAL SQUAD Shadow of the Apocalypse
31
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:40:00 -
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Ya'll realize that:
This particular cycle of FOTM happens to be on MD and FG?
Before this it was Flocks
Before that it was ...
And way back missiles were op
Its a cycle of laughs... The community sees an increase in a particular kill...maybe due to map type, play style, etc and it becomes too much. Begs nerd, gets nerd.
Next FOTM
over and over.
I've been in MD and FG for a while, mostly as a way for area defense (MD) or to solve mario cart 514 (FG).
This is part of the Darwinistic lifecycle of the Dust/eve universe. If ccp wants to relax a little. work on cor content, stop wasting time and energy on this c***. If you don't like FG<---SNIPE, if you don't like MD<----get to higher ground, get cover.
D**, play smart, squad up, get a mic and don't blast your music while playing. maybe people would want to play with you (instead you are on mute and wonder why no one talks) |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
297
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:43:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:he got killed with madd driver all week- that's some hard numbers and solid data right there, CCP will surely take note Yes, 100% of the time, some one was killed by a weapon that was broken for ages, has travel time, and gets out DPS by a lot of weapons, for a straight week. In all seriousness I was using the Mass Driver since mid-Codex. If because an increase in people using the weapon causes it to get nerfed, then that is wrongful nerf. The Flaylock was OP, because as a sidearm it could kill in two shots not particularly aimed well. My mass driver takes 3 shots for a lot of these health stackers and it's a Light Weapon. I can't just drop this weapon to save it, I have been using it for ages through thick and thin. Right now, I can honestly say that it's getting to a good spot. Not OP, not UP, almost just right. What calls for a Nerf is when the weapon at hand can beat all others hands down. The mass Driver is far from that. Go out to 30-40 meters and you can see exactly where it is going and avoid it. I can't magically slow down time and see where AR fire is going. But words for words, the Mass Driver has AOE, which makes people angry and does in fact cut down on aiming skill (but it still has travel time).
Funny - how come nobody tried this when facing flaylocks despite the same argument being made.
A big part of the population playing this game dont want to alter tactics so they QQ until they get what they want. |
Killar-12
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
427
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:53:00 -
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BLKDG wrote:Ya'll realize that:
This particular cycle of FOTM happens to be on MD and FG?
Before this it was Flocks
Before that it was ...
And way back missiles were op
Its a cycle of laughs... The community sees an increase in a particular kill...maybe due to map type, play style, etc and it becomes too much. Begs nerd, gets nerd.
Next FOTM
over and over.
I've been in MD and FG for a while, mostly as a way for area defense (MD) or to solve mario cart 514 (FG).
This is part of the Darwinistic lifecycle of the Dust/eve universe. If ccp wants to relax a little. work on cor content, stop wasting time and energy on this c***. If you don't like FG<---SNIPE, if you don't like MD<----get to higher ground, get cover.
D**, play smart, squad up, get a mic and don't blast your music while playing. maybe people would want to play with you (instead you are on mute and wonder why no one talks) But these people have IQ's over 9000... |
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