Funny - how come nobody tried this when facing flaylocks despite the same argument being made.

A big part of the population playing this game dont want to alter tactics so they QQ until they get what they want.

The problem is with the fundamentals of the mass driver to begin with. It does crap damage to 200 shield but will two shot 600 armor.

Now that statement in itself has nothing wrong with it to be honest.

The problem is the way the mass driver was designed around the classes. Currently there is still massive stale mates happening on non CQC maps, Basically your enemy and you close to the effective AR range and no side advances.

The immediate ground between the two sides is a death zone for anyone trying to bridge the gap. This is what The Heavy class was created for, for massive infantry tanks with medic support that can push and bridge the gaps.

This became a problem when people who didn't understand heavy started to chime in on its balances, Heavy shouldn't be an offensive based class it should be defense and survivability and it just isn't right now.

Mass drivers are a problem because they conflict with how the game's framework was set out. They have a massive armor damage bonus and stupid range which in case is the problem for the Heavy class. Heavies main threat should be a flanking shotgunner because the AR aren't covering them, a sniper... same cover issue.

The Heavy class should not have the gank ability to kill an assault/medic without them having the option to get away, And the assault and medic should not have the ability to kill the heavy without severe ammo/time consumption, basically the heavy needs half the damage, double the range and triple the survivability on the field.

Fixing the flux blast radius and buffing the mass driver is the double buff on things that have to stop in patches. Was like LAV Buff where you made them crazy strong and made AV tracking and registry horrific. One

Forge gun's are tricky because the heavy class only has two weapon choices really. But tank and dropship inbalances are completely due to Forge guns. Having Militia gun that can one shot kamehameha any Infantry was always a stupid idea... if its a completely stationary target? Sure. But a moving target at over 8meters /s? and your hitting full damage? CCP basically needs to hire a Gun Nut who lives sleeps and breaths guns, so tactical and realistic world representations for futuristic guns can be created.

But the assault mass driver has lower damage. I think it's a fair trade off. I don't own the assault mass driver. I'm just a level 3

Armor is interesting, flaylock does more armor damage, rail technology does more armor damage, heavy machine gun gets armor damage bonus, mass driver gets armor damage bonus.

As far as killing yourself with MD... You already are receiving less damage at that range then an enemy would... making the gun broken there too... flaylock aswell, yes killing yourself is a side affect of using an AOE weapon but its less so in DUST.

No scout ;) no lower gear ;)

its my understanding that a mass driver is a crowd control weapon, it should have a large splash dmg radius with low direct dmg and be a mid to long range weapon.

users at the moment can shoot it almost directly at their feet to take out targets without killing themselves I think the splash dmg should be increased to prevent this

as a crowd control weapon it should not (even at proto level) be able to kill in 2-3 shots, I would suggest lowering its rate of fire by 1/3 and increasing its clip size. at proto level, instead of any dmg increase I thing splash radius and rate of fire should be increased...

that's my 2 cents.... and yeah be prepared the nerf bat is coming, and the result will probably not be this sensible.

If you beleive a game we have shields and armor and build "tanks" on suits, should have guns that one shot u regardless... i don't know what to say? There are plenty of other games that fit that bill with quick scoping and all that fun.

Shoot your feet and see how many shots it takes to eat your health with the MD, then repeat with a red dot same health. Repeat with flaylock.

*EDIT Officer weapons are always an exception

^ I can't get over this dude saying he ran around with a basic MD with no skills in MD and was 3 or 4 shoting proto suits with no flux.

I'll throw down 5 million ISK to see it happen.

And no, snipers don't one shot proto's(excluding thales, balac's), nore do shotguns.... nore nova knives. A core locus or militia grenade will end everyone though, as a grenade thrown at a camping target should.

its not assumptions silly, its fact. just go do it for yourself shoot your feet and then the enemy the damage values are different, the server bullet registry aside.

No, obviously I was talking about battle academy.

You wanna learn a trick to kill them. Either throw a grenade at the or run away in a straight line at first than start zigzag, you'll get hit but you won't die and you can also pick him off at the distance. I do this all the time. sometimes i back away from tje wall ajd wait until i count 6 shots. Than rush with a flux and kill