Use it. It fires on an arc and has a travel time, unlike your instant-hit easymode ARs. You can also kill yourself really easily in CQC, are tied to nanohives/supply depots, and you need to be extremely good with it to kill anyone above you.

Armor is interesting, flaylock does more armor damage, rail technology does more armor damage, heavy machine gun gets armor damage bonus, mass driver gets armor damage bonus.

As far as killing yourself with MD... You already are receiving less damage at that range then an enemy would... making the gun broken there too... flaylock aswell, yes killing yourself is a side affect of using an AOE weapon but its less so in DUST.

No scout ;) no lower gear ;)

Triple the HP....you want heavies to run around with 3000+ HP? Yea that would completely break this game.

How exactly do I receive less damage than my enemy in CQC? If we are both armor fit we receive the same damage unless I get a direct hit, if they are shield fit, I receive more, or about the same..

And you seem to be skirting around the forge issue. The forge is the most powerful weapon in the game but has heavy drawbacks (pun intended.) It should 1 shot all but the toughest of infantry with splash (2m radius I believe?) And instakill infantry with direct hit.

Will you complain if someone oneshots you with a mlt sniper rifle or standard plasma cannon?

I did use it....and I laughed at the sheer carnage that 1 skill point into the MDs can do. Proto suits? There a joke when using the MD. Doesnt matter which protosuit....the only protosuit that survives more than 3 shots is the caldari.....and that takes 4. Its laughably easy to target. I consistently hit targets that a pretty far away....but then again as a nade master this is the same thing just easy moded. The 4 meter radius means I always hit the enemy unless there is some weird dip in the terrain that somehow blocks the shot....but even that is a rarity. Shooting people who are above you is a little more difficult and takes a little more skill but by and large its not as difficult as MD users note here. I wrote a long piece on the MD after using just the standard one and how much of a joke it is that people act like its hard to use. Dude if this is hard for dust players to use then the skill lvl of dust players is even lower than I thought.....and I thought the general skill level was low to begin with.


To see my full statement regarding the mass driver https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142616#post1142616

BTW you people keep claiming I use ARs. Hate to burst your bubble but no matter how often you say it this does not make it correct. I use the ASCR......get used to it.

If they want to max out a tank like the current 1k+ armor heavies they can be a slow walking target why not?


We aren't shooting an LAV with little damage recognition and no hitboxes for damage multiplyer's. How much health would you think an infantry "tank" would need to bridge AR range stalemates?

Video or it didn't happen. The standard mass driver is pure ****.

Um well first off....everyone would spec into heavies as there would be no reason to be anything else if you are a slayer. If your mainly a support guy then you would probably just run a repairer and sit behind your superman.....you realize the repair guns can repair 100+ hp per second right.....and I think maybe even to 2 different targets at the same time.

Also CCP stated that the heavies were designed to be a mobile defensive platform.......not an offensive one.

So yea a 3000+ HP heavy would be basically invincible......until everyone was one. Then all we would have is a slow lumbering players using the HMGs trying to kill eachother and constantly failing. TTK would probably be changed to minutes instead of seconds.

its my understanding that a mass driver is a crowd control weapon, it should have a large splash dmg radius with low direct dmg and be a mid to long range weapon.

users at the moment can shoot it almost directly at their feet to take out targets without killing themselves I think the splash dmg should be increased to prevent this

as a crowd control weapon it should not (even at proto level) be able to kill in 2-3 shots, I would suggest lowering its rate of fire by 1/3 and increasing its clip size. at proto level, instead of any dmg increase I thing splash radius and rate of fire should be increased...

that's my 2 cents.... and yeah be prepared the nerf bat is coming, and the result will probably not be this sensible.

1sec is a long time to stand still at a distance

LOL yes because its impossible for someone to be actually telling the truth..............not that I even have video capture device. You can ask Taste....he was there. Although he was drunk. I would say you could ask Stryker....but he fell asleep drunk while we were playing....so honestly I dont know how you would view those two. Kain Spero was there was well but I am sure you would not believe him either.

If you beleive a game we have shields and armor and build "tanks" on suits, should have guns that one shot u regardless... i don't know what to say? There are plenty of other games that fit that bill with quick scoping and all that fun.

Shoot your feet and see how many shots it takes to eat your health with the MD, then repeat with a red dot same health. Repeat with flaylock.

*EDIT Officer weapons are always an exception

I did use it....and I laughed at the sheer carnage that 1 skill point into the MDs can do. Proto suits? There a joke when using the MD. Doesnt matter which protosuit....the only protosuit that survives more than 3 shots is the caldari.....and that takes 4. Its laughably easy to target. I consistently hit targets that a pretty far away....but then again as a nade master this is the same thing just easy moded. The 4 meter radius means I always hit the enemy unless there is some weird dip in the terrain that somehow blocks the shot....but even that is a rarity. Shooting people who are above you is a little more difficult and takes a little more skill but by and large its not as difficult as MD users note here. I wrote a long piece on the MD after using just the standard one and how much of a joke it is that people act like its hard to use. Dude if this is hard for dust players to use then the skill lvl of dust players is even lower than I thought.....and I thought the general skill level was low to begin with.


To see my full statement regarding the mass driver https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1142616#post1142616

BTW you people keep claiming I use ARs. Hate to burst your bubble but no matter how often you say it this does not make it correct. I use the ASCR......get used to it.

^ I can't get over this dude saying he ran around with a basic MD with no skills in MD and was 3 or 4 shoting proto suits with no flux.

I'll throw down 5 million ISK to see it happen.

LOL yes because its impossible for someone to be actually telling the truth..............not that I even have video capture device. You can ask Taste....he was there. Although he was drunk. I would say you could ask Stryker....but he fell asleep drunk while we were playing....so honestly I dont know how you would view those two. Kain Spero was there was well but I am sure you would not believe him either.

Now who is assuming about another player? And there are plenty of weapons that 1 shot in this game.
Shotgun, sniper rifle, forge gun, nova knives, grenades...

And as I have stated before I kill myself in CQC quite often. Sometimes the person I'm shooting at lives. Don't make assumptions because someone beat you in CQC with an MD. It damages the user as much as the target.

And no, snipers don't one shot proto's(excluding thales, balac's), nore do shotguns.... nore nova knives. A core locus or militia grenade will end everyone though, as a grenade thrown at a camping target should.

its not assumptions silly, its fact. just go do it for yourself shoot your feet and then the enemy the damage values are different, the server bullet registry aside.

Not sure what game your playing. Go into a PC match and tell me proto snipers,shotgunners and knifers don't OHK proto. With complex dmg mods 600-700 ehp is nothing for those weapons. Maybe armor just sucks that bad and only gallente have that issue..