Sorry it was probably me lol.

So let me get this straight..... You got out smarted by someone with under 300 ehp an lost a expensive suitan now u cry, nerf, fix, rebalance , make it fair,?! Man gtfo of here!

an now u cry, nerf, fix, rebalance , make it fair,?! Man gtfo of here!

Our suits got blown to crap with 1.2 there is hardly anything we can skill into that's viable

an we die from like two shots from any gun an u want us to practically stand still to place a remote?!

You got owned bro deal wit it, happens to us from a cross the map every day!

re need nothing to be done about them i think player should get to carry more than 3 though its the only effecvtive solution for stupid ppl who act invincible in there preccious full proto gear.. so thats y im throwing them in front of ppl and pressing buttons..

u just place it down some where get there attention they charge then i press button... killed and lav this way to ..it flipped right over me..so stfu and stop hateing and wanting to nerf everything and an even better idead for all the little wining babys who always use proto... maybe u wont lose it if u dont bring it into a match like an idiot!..

oh u can see them place it down just look on the ground most ppl just charge stupidly ahead... so if they place an re down while u r shooting aT THEM u rnt going to see that re on the grounds in plain sight right in front of u...

Ideally there is nothing really wrong with REs. They have a several second activation timer so you cannot just drop and pop (you should of been here when you could really do this). You cannot throw these very far but they can slide an awfully long ways which us users would gladly trade to make them sticky as now they will sometimes roll and just disappear.

It is such a situational weapon that you cannot get mad at a guy for using them. They are the 'trap' weapon and take brains to use.

Except on objectives but people REALLY need to learn to check or just drop a flux just in case.

A few days ago, I was at E-7 on Line Harvest waiting for a blueberry to start hacking C. I`m standing on the slightly raised surface right next to the control panel. Shortly after my teammate starts hacking, an enemy scout throws a remote explosive at his feet and kills him. Seconds later, he does the same thing to me. I don't necessarily have a problem with remote explosives being used this way (I've done it as well), but here are a few things that I noticed during this encounter:

1. The throwing animation is too subtle. It's barely noticeable, and there's no throwing sound to go with the animation.

2. I did not hear a sound when the RE dropped on the ground. I'm fairly certain that they're supposed to make a noise when they hit the ground, but in that instance I didn't hear a thing.

3. I did not see the RE traveling through the air, even though the enemy was right in front of me when he threw it. I imagine it's because remote explosives are cloaked, and that's the reason why only players with low scan precision can see them. I think REs should be visible when thrown if the enemy is in your field of view, but this should only apply if the player is a few meters away from you.

4. This one is due to player error, but I want to mention it anyway. The scout was a few meters away from me, so, thinking that he wouldn't be able to throw the RE far enough, I opened fire. I was wrong, obviously. To address this, CCP could tweak the throwing distance ever so slightly. It doesn't really matter that much to me if they don't, but I think it's worth considering.

5. This one is unrelated to the aforementioned scenario, but I've noticed that when squadmates see things such as remote explosives and proximity mines, they do not show up on your radar or on the ground. Since squadmates can share information such as infantry, installation and vehicle positions, it doesn't make sense to exclude REs and proximity mines.

6. This one is also unrelated, but I think there should be a skillbook that, once brought up to a certain level, allows you to disarm REs and proximity mines. Example: walk up to an explosive, hold O to disarm. It could be accompanied by a skill that shortens the time it takes to disarm explosives.

6. I have one last suggestion, but I suspect this one won't be very popular. CCP could make it so that you have to manually activate REs and proximity mines before they can be detonated. Example: I place an explosive on the ground, walk up to it and press (or hold) O to arm. It could take a set amount of time to arm the explosive (with a skillbook to shorten the activation time), or you could simply press O circle to arm and walk away.

so now you want to nerf REs?.... look you only get 3-4 and they are stationary... you can see them clear as day on the ground if you look and it already takes about 2 seconds for them to activate once thrown before you can detonate.... and how often really can you say this happens to you? often enough its a real problem? or are you just QQing cause you died once like this.... plus they are supposed to have some stealthy aspects.... leave remotes alone CCP...if anything they need to be fixed because 1/2 the time you drop one they just fizzle out of existence...

Not mad at anybody, but they don't take brains to use against heavies. We can't see the explosives on the minimap or on the ground, and our limited mobility makes them hard to dodge, especially when using armor plates.

Not mad at anybody, but they don't take brains to use against heavies. We can't see the explosives on the minimap or on the ground, and our limited mobility makes them hard to dodge, especially when using armor plates.

It's not the REs on objectives that I'm worried about. I rarely get killed by those.

A one on one situation they are not viable against an HMG, you'll long be dead before you can rush in and drop and have time to blow, I've tried. If they are occupied well that's different.

If they had one pre-set and you happened to wander in, that's just great placement.

My advice: Use them a few matches and note how you move and your weaknesses and you'll better be able to combat them and spot when someone is setting one.

6. This one is also unrelated, but I think there should be a skillbook that, once brought up to a certain level, allows you to disarm REs and proximity mines. Example: walk up to an explosive, hold O to disarm. It could be accompanied by a skill that shortens the time it takes to disarm explosives.

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3. Run a suit with 250 armor an shields through a hail of md, faylocks, contact nades , an AR an tell me If that's easy mode!

4. This doesn't happen everydamnday like getting killed instantly from md or Fay splash damage.

5. If your stupid enough to chase a scout you deserve to die for thinking he's not baiting you!

6. Every suit in the game is stronger so we use this thing called" TACTICS"

7. Why shouldn't they kill a heavy? If your dumb enough to step on a land mine shouldn't you die?

Wrong. You cannot see them clear as day if you are a heavy. It has always been my experience that REs are completely invisible when I use a heavy dropsuit. You cannot see them on the minimap OR the ground.

It doesn't happen often because most players only use them on objectives, if they use them at all.

8. You got owned take it soldier

You could use sp to buy these things called skills to prevent this, maybe you should watch the tutorial again

no im right because I have avoided them many times because I can see them... my alt is a heavy and he sees them fine as well...you aren't supposed to see them on the mini map because that would defeat the purpose of them... you have to actually look for them... sometimes they blend in well with the ground or do to imperfect graphics they "sink" into the ground but some part of them is always visable if you know what to look for.... you sir are putting out misinformation to achieve your own ends....shame on you...

Completely disagree with this post. Check for REs next time. Your Idea will give away the position of every RE that is meant for a trap.

They aren't OP. They are meant for placing down to trap enemies to their doom. The whole trapping situation will be flawed with this idea.

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FAil OMGDZ a remote explosive killed me. Get over it. Running towards a person and throwing a remote explosive is a high risk High reward tactic. People who keep asking for nerfs are why this game will burn to the ground. HTFU. I can't believe this is actaully a post in the forums. PURE FAILURE, I am honestly disgusted that people just keep asking for nerfs.

Throwing noise? Take a baseball... throw it a few feet to land on the ground. Did it make a "noise" when you made an underhand throw?

That's the most ridiculous request I've seen on these forums since I started playing.

Dude, stop defending this. You got instapopped. So what?

Had you bothered to read, you would know that being instapopped is not what I'm concerned about.

Not ridiculous at all. Throw something in the air and listen. The object makes a sound when it escapes your hand and when it lands on the ground. I assume the former is the sound you hear when grenades are thrown a few meters away from you.

Yes, you're concerned about not being able to anticipate being instapopped, so you won't to basically derail the entire usage of REs to traps.

You got instapopped in a manner you couldn't predict, so making the RE obsolete to be able to use in a offensive manner is you answer?

It is ridiculous. An underhand throw of an object a few feet away is not going to make a noise loud enough to hear. It's one thing if the object makes noise (cereal box shaking, an object that beeps flying). It's another if it makes a noise when it hits something (impact)... the mass and material make a big difference there. It's still another thing if the act of throwing it self is generating noise (your fingers gripping a balloon making noises from friction from the rubber when you throw it).

To actually hear the noise made by air friction from an object that is pitched at low speeds a short distance away... over gunfire and cannons.... that is stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. We have all lost IQ points reading it.

Guess what, I just threw a cushion a few meters away from me, and it made a loud noise! It also made a loud noise when it escaped my hand. Also, in the situation described in the OP, there were no guns or cannons going off nearby.

You may be schizophrenic. Get that checked out.

A few days ago, I was at E-7 on Line Harvest waiting for a blueberry to start hacking C. I`m standing on the slightly raised surface right next to the control panel. Shortly after my teammate starts hacking, an enemy scout throws a remote explosive at his feet and kills him. Seconds later, he does the same thing to me. I don't necessarily have a problem with remote explosives being used this way (I've done it as well), but here are a few things that I noticed during this encounter:

1. The throwing animation is too subtle. It's barely noticeable, and there's no throwing sound to go with the animation.

2. I did not hear a sound when the RE dropped on the ground. I'm fairly certain that they're supposed to make a noise when they hit the ground, but in that instance I didn't hear a thing.

3. I did not see the RE traveling through the air, even though the enemy was right in front of me when he threw it. I imagine it's because remote explosives are cloaked, and that's the reason why only players with low scan precision can see them. I think REs should be visible when thrown if the enemy is in your field of view, but this should only apply if the player is a few meters away from you.

4. This one is due to player error, but I want to mention it anyway. The scout was a few meters away from me, so, thinking that he wouldn't be able to throw the RE far enough, I opened fire. I was wrong, obviously. To address this, CCP could tweak the throwing distance ever so slightly. It doesn't really matter that much to me if they don't, but I think it's worth considering.

5. This one is unrelated to the aforementioned scenario, but I've noticed that when squadmates see things such as remote explosives and proximity mines, they do not show up on your radar or on the ground. Since squadmates can share information such as infantry, installation and vehicle positions, it doesn't make sense to exclude REs and proximity mines.

6. This one is also unrelated, but I think there should be a skillbook that, once brought up to a certain level, allows you to disarm REs and proximity mines. Example: walk up to an explosive, hold O to disarm. It could be accompanied by a skill that shortens the time it takes to disarm explosives.

7. I have one last suggestion, but I suspect this one won't be very popular. CCP could make it so that you have to manually activate REs and proximity mines before they can be detonated. Example: I place an explosive on the ground, walk up to it and press (or hold) O to arm. It could take a set amount of time to arm the explosive (with a skillbook to shorten the activation time), or you could simply press O circle to arm and walk away.

Hmm correct me if I'm wrong but you are suggesting, for the most part, cosmetic changes to make them more realistic as apposed to changing the RE's stats right? If so then why are people bashing you? Not like you saying Nerf 'em or anything. Personally I agree with the cosmetic changes. Not so much the "manually arm the RE" but hacking/disarming is easily a good idea.
+1 for the poste.

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .

Sorry it was probably me lol.
So let me get this straight.....
You got out smarted by someone with under 300 ehp an lost a expensive suit an now u cry, nerf, fix, rebalance , make it fair,?!
Man gtfo of here!

Our suits got blown to crap with 1.2 there is hardly anything we can skill into that's viable an we die from like two shots from any gun an u want us to practically stand still to place a remote?!

You got owned bro deal wit it, happens to us from a cross the map every day!

Remote explosives should take 20 seconds to arm and you have to stand still, when they detonate it should shower the enemy in flowers and it should use 100 CPU and PG

You forgot the obligatory 5m long pink arrow pointing at every RE

True, what I was suggesting would have made it slightly op

1. I can tell what weapon an enemy is holding by visual cue (it looks like a MD, for example). Spotting the type of equipment they are wielding can be more difficult, but not impossible. Are you saying that the standard throwing animation used for drop uplinks, nanohives, and remote/proximity explosives is not significant enough and perhaps a baseball pitch is in order? How much more grandious would you like the animation to be? I personally think it's silly that the absence of a weapon didn't clue you in to his intent...unless you hoped he was trying to resupply you.

2. Again, what should they sound like? And what's more silly: that you can't hear a 20 pound bag hitting the ground or that I can't hear all 300lbs of you clip-clopping around?

3. It's because the framerate of this game is atrocious. They are animated.

4. Again, and assuming these things don't weight more than cement, how far do you think they should be thrown? I personally hate that they spawn at belly-button height and prevent me from throwing them over short walls or railings even when i'm jumping. Out of curiosity, how far did he throw them? It wasn't clear in your OP (please provide in meters). I'd prefer that they stick to whatever I throw them against, but can ASSURE you that it would spawn QQ threads when I start throwing them on the ceilings of null cannons and on the sides of vehicles.

5. I'm ok with them being on your HUD when a teammate is looking directly at them via LOS...although he's not much of a teammate if he doesn't shoot/flux them immediately. They should not EVER appear on the map as they lack the EM output of a soldier, installation, vehicle, nanohive, or uplink. Think: they are receive only and do not transmit. Visual detection or preventative pre-detonation is your only valid method of defense.

6. They do; it's called your primary/secondary/grenade skillbook. If you REALLy want another method of disarming that you can sink SP into I'm all for it....provided that getting shot during disarm and/or failing to complete an initiated disarm procedure result in immediate explosion.

7. (fixed) They use proximity/timed activation. This is a real thing, not futuristic.

REs already suffer from ease of flux removal, flipping/disappear bug, long time between deployment and detonation, being VERY easy to spot if you would just LOOK for them (bridges, walkways, stairs, etc are all good candidates). They will never light up the map, sound like a bowling ball landing, flash neon lights, or play classic rock for your detecting pleasure. Heavies CAN see them visually if you look for them, but it's hard to keep track of your minimap, your ammo, your target, AND look for tiny black pieces of equipment while galloping along in pursuit of a scout.

Hmm correct me if I'm wrong but you are suggesting, for the most part, cosmetic changes to make them more realistic as apposed to changing the RE's stats right? If so then why are people bashing you? Not like you saying Nerf 'em or anything. Personally I agree with the cosmetic changes. Not so much the "manually arm the RE" but hacking/disarming is easily a good idea.
+1 for the poste.

So you need the REs to glow red for you to see them? That would completely defeat the purpose of them. Next time use your eyes instead of asking for a nerf.

REs are one of the few ways new players can take down older players with much better gear.

I didn't even ask for this, so I assume you're exaggerating.

I think REs should be visible when thrown if the enemy is in your field of view, but this should only apply if the player is a few meters away from you.

In this post you did ask for REs to glow red like grenades do right?

If not then sorry.

If yes then HTFU.

To his defence, your suggestions come pretty close to that. They'd make sure only random fools would ever die to REs.

Um all ur rebuttals kinda do you no justice , k fine you didn't follow the scout, but it was your bad luck he was packing explosives.

So yesterday I blew up a ton of people this way, lol then the following match a guy I got must have been pissed an skilled into r/e between matches an he got me lmao, I totally did it to myself too, an yes I could see it, like a black box on the ground.
I didn't know what it was at first, then as soon as I realized I was proud of the guy!

An you should be too!

Its harder than you think

so if so someone got u, don't say op or change, just admit a sneaky scout, had you in his trap the whole time an u had no clue till u were dead.

Take it like a man.

Leave RE's alone. They are not as easy to use as you may think.

I have run up to groups of people before and thrown them and they DO SEE THEM and run away or throw a grenade at them. They are not invisible nor are they hard to see. The only time people DON'T see them is when a large group is hacking an objective. Then I forgo my knife and plant an RE(if it already isn't there) so I can get them all in one go. Not to mention just running up to a group of people is dangerous for a Scout. If I manage to sneak up on you close enough to plant one of these things without you seeing it then you deserve to die because I could have easily just as one shot you with my Novas or a Shotgun.

Remote charges are underused in this game already. You were caught by surprise and were a victim to something called "lack of awareness". Tough break that is the way of the battlefield

I am not sure if I would blame it on RE's

I have had the issue with grenades - you dont see anything just the explosion....and you are dead

I am not sure if its animations rendering or lag causing nothing to be seen. A couple days ago I was starting to get paranoid and was going to swtich back to my big TV

Dude the op is on crack, ur still goin on about this trying to get it top bumped eh?

You fail to remind yourself this an also your so slow even if you ran your still in the same place!
It does 1500 damage in 5m , you gotta clear 15 feet before its active; hence perfect heavy killer!

It also makes a sound on my end when I drop it just like a nano hive.
All equipment is that way SO YOU CAN BE SNEAKY ITS THE DESIGN OF THE GAME!
If it showed up on ur map that would void the point!

Do grenades show on ur tacnet?

Do you hear enemy's drop uplinks?

Face it you never been killed that way an now you wanna cry unfair ?!
Poor sportsmanship

I didn't use the word unfair once in this entire thread. I just don't think it makes sense that you can't hear remote explosives landing on the ground right next to you.

TROLLL MUCH!

Why don't you stop quoting 5 things from one post an do it once like everyone else instead of doing these stupid quotes, so that the person replying back can't quote your post because you already used the 5 quotes?!

This entire thread shows the lack of intellect in your personality.

You died END OF STORY!

So quote this 5 times or reply at all an please prove me right!

[quote=Canaan Knute]Yeah, instead of just saying its unfair and calling it a day, you want to delegate them from any form offensive use and only useful for traps.

Had you bothered to read, you would know that being instapopped is not what I'm concerned about.

Um, actually indirectly it is because if you had your way you wouldn't get insta dead!
L

I like to make my posts structured. It has nothing to do with trolling.

Instead of ignoring my argument, why don't you tell me why it's reasonable for a heavy piece of equipment like the remote explosive to land without making a sound?

I don't care about remote explosives being able to kill me in one hit, but I do care about weapons not behaving realistically, and REs not making a sound upon landing is not realistic.

So all this just to get a sound to the damn thing?

Ok your walking I run up behind you drop it behind you ( whoosh all loud an $/-/%) jump, land Infront of you sub gun to the face, circle you , BOOM YOUR DEAD AN SO ARE YOUR FRIENDS!

You want the the noise why? So you that in 3 seconds your dead?

What will you want then?, a 20 second timer?
Dude I ll get you with it no matter what you do to it, why ?, cuz I'm frigging NICE wit it, that's why so asking for blinking bells an whistles isnt gonna save you so why bother, just give up on defending your stupid thread!

and dare I say it... adapt or die?

It's still not going to save you !

So now you want realism?
Here's futuristic realism for ya....
Your throwing " not placing " a plastic explosive that doesn't make a noise or blow up on impact , why?
Because its probably the future an they have it in a space foam case to avoide impact explosions, not to mention that it's a lob not a throw.

LMAO I GIVE UP!

BET YOUR SINGLE OR SOON TO BE FOR NOT GIVING UP ON A MUTE POINT LOL DUUDE UR TOO MUCH, IM DONE

What in the world does this debate have anything to do with being single? It seems like you're getting desperate because your arguments failed to convince me and you are unable to pressure me into abandoning this thread.

Lmao I can't help my self, dude your a TROLL, nothing s gonna convince you

all your looking for is a argument for a stupid sound that isn't gonna matter when u blow up anyway, your entire trhread Is you arguing an provoking a stupid point!

An being single lmao, this thread is probably why, you argue dumb $ hit hopping somebody sees your dumb point an praises you for being so smart!
Hence TROLL

lol it's not gonna happen bro, this threads dumb, your being dumb, an not one guy in the damn games gonna agree with you nerf queen!

Plus all this stupid quoting your doing isn't taking the whole quote, so your thinking others won't see everything just what you quoted an assume that guys a idiot an your right, lmao I see right through you dude, quote the whole damn thing instead of just the chunk that your trying to defame !

I will not even look at this thread again, much less reply, in order to expedite this threads inevitable burying under the ten tons of things that are actually important. I just had to reply as it kinda pissed me off that you claim it took no skill when it sounds like he tactically dispatched you and a teammate and apparently you couldn't kill him the entire time and he was a Scout. Sounds impressive and I would like to meet him. Hell, I hope I was him.

I don't care about remote explosives being able to kill me in one hit, but I do care about weapons not behaving realistically, and REs not making a sound upon landing is not realistic.

5. This one is unrelated to the aforementioned scenario, but I've noticed that when squadmates see things such as remote explosives and proximity mines, they do not show up on your radar or on the ground. Since squadmates can share information such as infantry, installation and vehicle positions, it doesn't make sense to exclude REs and proximity mines.

Lol!

Hitscan weapons.
Unlimited vehicle ammunition.
Short ranges on all weapons.
Tiny explosive damage.
Antigravity spaceships.
Shields stopping rail guns.
No water, anywhere.
Headshot bonus damage.
Uphill /downhill speed identical.
No doors, anywhere.
No destructible environment.
No prone.
Missiles that are slower than a thrown baseball.
Can't see past a few dozen meters.

Yeah, that's just off the top of my head.

an now u cry, nerf, fix, rebalance , make it fair,?! Man gtfo of here!

You're assuming that I'm only concerned about the lack of realism in regards to REs.

No, I'm just pointing out that realism regarding REs is really not even a factor considering the rampant amount of unrealistic examples in this game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK50So-yYRU

Reality says remote explosions need a huge buff.

u can see them u just have to look its less likely to spot them in dark areas though i use heavy to and they r mostl likely placed at objectives so toss a nade in first problem solved..

RE's have already been disappearing for no reason at all, and now there is a delay to getting to the detonation screen at 1.3. They don't need any more nerfs.

They got nerfed yesterday dude give it a rest!

Yes, I read about that, but I don't think it was a nerf, or at least not an intentional one.

Not up to your standards?

And then you assume that I approve of this change.

That's a troll answer

You seem to have a hard time realizing that I'm not actually a troll. My reply was not trollish at all, but I would like to know how you came to that conclusion.

Keep telling yourself that!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Yes, I will keep telling myself the truth.

"In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

Technically, you're right, because this thread seems to have upset you, but it was not my intention to make anyone angry. I sincerely believe that there is something wrong with REs, or else I wouldn't have created this thread. Ask yourself this: is everyone who posts feedback that you don't like a troll?

A few days ago, I was at E-7 on Line Harvest waiting for a blueberry to start hacking C. I`m standing on the slightly raised surface right next to the control panel. Shortly after my teammate starts hacking, an enemy scout throws a remote explosive at his feet and kills him. Seconds later, he does the same thing to me. I don't necessarily have a problem with remote explosives being used this way (I've done it as well), but here are a few things that I noticed during this encounter:

1. The throwing animation is too subtle. It's barely noticeable, and there's no throwing sound to go with the animation.

2. I did not hear a sound when the RE dropped on the ground. I'm fairly certain that they're supposed to make a noise when they hit the ground, but in that instance I didn't hear a thing.

3. I did not see the RE traveling through the air, even though the enemy was right in front of me when he threw it. I imagine it's because remote explosives are cloaked, and that's the reason why only players with low scan precision can see them. I think REs should be visible when thrown if the enemy is in your field of view, but this should only apply if the player is a few meters away from you.

4. This one is due to player error, but I want to mention it anyway. The scout was a few meters away from me, so, thinking that he wouldn't be able to throw the RE far enough, I opened fire. I was wrong, obviously. To address this, CCP could tweak the throwing distance ever so slightly. It doesn't really matter that much to me if they don't, but I think it's worth considering.

5. This one is unrelated to the aforementioned scenario, but I've noticed that when squadmates see things such as remote explosives and proximity mines, they do not show up on your radar or on the ground. Since squadmates can share information such as infantry, installation and vehicle positions, it doesn't make sense to exclude REs and proximity mines.

6. This one is also unrelated, but I think there should be a skillbook that, once brought up to a certain level, allows you to disarm REs and proximity mines. Example: walk up to an explosive, hold O to disarm. It could be accompanied by a skill that shortens the time it takes to disarm explosives.

Agree with all of the above. Everything sounds sensible here. To be honest, they are minor tweaks (not to make, I'm sure!) but they would add that little bit of something.

I don't know what that guy oazoosarow is smoking but he's gone on a tangent and far away just targeting this. Just ignore him. Won't make him go away though lol

I'm not upset, I just think your ridiculous an I'm trying to help you see it, even though I ve wasted my time.
Your moaning over such a ridiculous feature when out of all the things not realistic in this game your stuck on this the most.

I ve read your posts an realized your that guy!
The guy that needs to be right, the guy that is relentless to the point of his own alienation , I've tried to help you see it, but I'm over it, cuz I know that this probably affects a large part of your life.
Getting stuck on the " little things"
Sometimes bud you just gotta know when to let go, like I should have after my first post.
Arguing with you intrigued me.
Kinda like watching a really small fish trying to jump the damn with the big fish. Even though it ll take him years till he's matured enough, but it doesn't stop him from trying to fit in!
Kinda like the nerf everything posts people make, you wanted to be one of those fish, instead of realizing that the battle you picked was rubbish !

But you should be proud of how much of a relentless mindless post got the r/e nerfed, so congradulations you are officially one of the nerf queens!
I hope your happy you succeeded in wreaking yet another good game machanic!

Maybe both you guys should add your two cents here to so were left with glass bottles an sticks!https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99123&find=unread

Lol ur probably the op s alt

Agree with all of the above. Everything sounds sensible here. To be honest, they are minor tweaks (not to make, I'm sure!) but they would add that little bit of something.

I don't know what that guy oazoosarow is smoking but he's gone on a tangent and far away just targeting this. Just ignore him. Won't make him go away though lol

Give me this scout's name.

Hi OP,

First and foremost, thank you for this highly entertaining thread. You've done well in defending your opinions, but I'd like to remind you of the state of today's Scout. Underpowered is an understatement. Any Scout would perform his chosen role more effectively by skilling into a low-level Medium frame.

Many would commend the clever Scout at hand for 1) remaining Scout despite obvious disadvantage and 2) successfully employing a method by which to overcome his handicap. I've observed very few classes other than the Scout using REs as a tool in combat. Do you truly wish render less effective one of the limited tools available to this underpowered class?

Sincerely,
Shotty GoBang

I didn't get a good look at his name, unfortunately.

But how will I honor this scout as a hero now?

Hi OP,

First and foremost, thank you for this highly entertaining thread. You've done well in defending your opinions, but I'd like to remind you of the state of today's Scout. Underpowered is an understatement. Any Scout would perform his chosen role more effectively by skilling into a low-level Medium frame. No doubt Heavies aren't the demi-gods we see in the Uprising Assault/Logi builds, but I think you'd agree that Scouts are worse off than Heavies at the moment.

That said, many would commend the clever Scout at hand for 1) remaining Scout despite obvious disadvantage and 2) successfully employing a method by which to overcome his handicap. I've observed very few classes other than the Scout using REs as a tool in combat. Do you truly wish render less effective one of the limited tools available to this underpowered class?

Sincerely,
Shotty GoBang

I'm telling ya it was probably me lol, unles the "drop n dash" has caught on but if it wasn't me hats off to the heavy killer for using my move!

But there is a patten on it kinda like the people's elbow; I expect royalties lol

Psh. I was using RE's back in Replication.
Before it was cool.

I agree that the scout is somewhat underpowered. I tried using the shotgun, and it does feel like the hit detection is a bit off. I also don't have a problem with scouts using REs to dispatch enemies, but I don't think it's logical to argue that they shouldn't be tweaked simply because the scout suit and other weapons commonly used by scouts are underpowered. If it was up to me, I would tweak shotguns and REs at the same time so that you could still be a force to be reckoned with.

I hope that heavies will be buffed as well though. You guys are scary enough as it is. :)

Ya maybe but in chrome I added tha FLAVA!

There is a motorcycle helmet somewhere in my garage, so I could test this out, just have to find it first.

They ruined them on 1.3 ; now they take longer to be active so even if you can hear them "drop n dash" as long as you see it happen you have about 3 good seconds, plus you can't chuck 2/3 in the air now or even detonate for about ten seconds when you die, so it should fix some of the "problems" you have with them.

Unfortunately I think it's horse$ hit, considering my scout an every weapon I have is above pro 3, an they all suck now, except maybe my knives ( I ve learned more efficient ways to use them).

But who knows maybe everything will work in the 5.6 update in 2020

Note to OP:
It's pretty dang difficult to come out ahead running around in a Light Frame with REs. It takes substantially more skill to sneak up behind someone and place/arm/time/detonate a Remote Explosive than, say for example, OHK'ing infantry with a Forge Gun. I've lost faith in your arguments, though I admire your ability to keep a cool head while defending your perspective.

- Shotty GoBang

Update:
Ran a handful of matches in a speed suit with REs. IMHO, active scanners are much more useful to a Scout. Nanohives+Nades are another more combat-viable equipment alternative. An RE kill is the ultimate "neh neh" but they certainly are not easy to come by.

Note to OP:
It's pretty dang difficult to come out ahead running around in a Light Frame with REs. It takes substantially more skill and situational awareness to lure or sneak up on someone then place/arm/time/detonate an RE than, say for example, OHK infantry with a Forge Gun. I've lost faith in your arguments, though I admire your ability to keep a cool head while defending your perspective.

- Shotty GoBang

Turn your headphones up dude ! I can hear footsteps, drop uplinks what ever else.

The r/e got nerfed to a useless point 5 days ago, yet you still go on about a noise.

How loud should this noise be, how far can you hear it? One meter? Two? If the guy threw the explosive as far as you said he did you wouldn't hear it anyway.[]quote]I wasn't talking a throwing noise, I was talking about REs making a sound when they hit the ground. If they land right next to me, I should be able to hear them. Gunfire and explosions would probably drown out the noise, so you could take advantage of that to set your trap.

[quote]So this humongous debate for a feature that you haven't even fully thought out. It's not gonna even matter, your after all this realism for such a small thing, can you hear the wind in the game? Birds chirping? Why don't tanks blow up a whole wall when they shoot it?

I don't wear headphones, because they tend to affect my hearing, but that's a pretty weak rebuttal. There's something wrong with the game if headphones are needed to hear certain sounds, especially when they affect gameplay.
[qYour argument is flat out ridonculous! Yes we know you want a noise, but no equipment deployment makes a noise for the opposition .

The r/e got nerfed to a useless point 5 days ago, yet you still go on about a noise.

How loud should this noise be, how far can you hear it? One meter? Two? If the guy threw the explosive as far as you said he did you wouldn't hear it anyway.[]quote]I wasn't talking a throwing noise, I was talking about REs making a sound when they hit the ground. If they land right next to me, I should be able to hear them. Gunfire and explosions would probably drown out the noise, so you could take advantage of that to set your trap.

The first two examples you gave would not affect gameplay. As for a destructible environment, CCP probably can't make that work due to technological limitations, but I think it should happen eventually.

Not blaming you, just frigging be happy they suck now, all your whining an constant thread bumping is probably a coincidence but irritating non the less

So you don't wear head phone s or comunicate verbly with your team? So you were a lone wolf heavy that had no communication withh your team, you can t hear foots steps,or have a teamate tell you you have a scout lurking or even ask your team where they are? Your a heavy what were u doing alone!
an you think that the game should change just for you because you don't think you should have to wear headphones to hear subtle sounds!
Wholly crap this dudes unreal!

You're talking about headsets, not headphones. Use the correct term next time. I have a headset, but I can only hear other people's voices with it.

That's all you have to say? Redirecting? No quotes this time?
No buddy, bumping for you is constantly commenting $ hit that makes no sense an has no sense of reason, to keep your thread at the top keeping it alive hoping someone agrees with you so you can gang up on those that don't!
Essentially your fishing for a pat on the back!

You're talking about headsets, not headphones. Use the correct term next time. I have a headset, but I can only hear other people's voices with it.

Oh I don't mind keeping it alive the damage is done now!
I look hysterical! Lmfao dude reread the the thread, only like two people thought it might be a ok idea, lol I could care less if it made a sound, your still gonna die, an that's what you don't get!

Every thing you wrote back was you defending yourself as a person not your idea, everything I just posted u dodged!
So say what you want but if I see you on the field, I'm gonna ohk you the whole damn match!

Just because your the most stubborn person I ever met in my life, an just do you know there's more scouts other than me that got cheesed by every stupid thing you ve had to say, so now that the scout community has you on their radar, all I say to you is
KAAAAAABOOOOOM!