It is ridiculous. An underhand throw of an object a few feet away is not going to make a noise loud enough to hear. It's one thing if the object makes noise (cereal box shaking, an object that beeps flying). It's another if it makes a noise when it hits something (impact)... the mass and material make a big difference there. It's still another thing if the act of throwing it self is generating noise (your fingers gripping a balloon making noises from friction from the rubber when you throw it).

To actually hear the noise made by air friction from an object that is pitched at low speeds a short distance away... over gunfire and cannons.... that is stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. We have all lost IQ points reading it.

Guess what, I just threw a cushion a few meters away from me, and it made a loud noise! It also made a loud noise when it escaped my hand. Also, in the situation described in the OP, there were no guns or cannons going off nearby.

You may be schizophrenic. Get that checked out.

A few days ago, I was at E-7 on Line Harvest waiting for a blueberry to start hacking C. I`m standing on the slightly raised surface right next to the control panel. Shortly after my teammate starts hacking, an enemy scout throws a remote explosive at his feet and kills him. Seconds later, he does the same thing to me. I don't necessarily have a problem with remote explosives being used this way (I've done it as well), but here are a few things that I noticed during this encounter:

1. The throwing animation is too subtle. It's barely noticeable, and there's no throwing sound to go with the animation.

2. I did not hear a sound when the RE dropped on the ground. I'm fairly certain that they're supposed to make a noise when they hit the ground, but in that instance I didn't hear a thing.

3. I did not see the RE traveling through the air, even though the enemy was right in front of me when he threw it. I imagine it's because remote explosives are cloaked, and that's the reason why only players with low scan precision can see them. I think REs should be visible when thrown if the enemy is in your field of view, but this should only apply if the player is a few meters away from you.

4. This one is due to player error, but I want to mention it anyway. The scout was a few meters away from me, so, thinking that he wouldn't be able to throw the RE far enough, I opened fire. I was wrong, obviously. To address this, CCP could tweak the throwing distance ever so slightly. It doesn't really matter that much to me if they don't, but I think it's worth considering.

5. This one is unrelated to the aforementioned scenario, but I've noticed that when squadmates see things such as remote explosives and proximity mines, they do not show up on your radar or on the ground. Since squadmates can share information such as infantry, installation and vehicle positions, it doesn't make sense to exclude REs and proximity mines.

6. This one is also unrelated, but I think there should be a skillbook that, once brought up to a certain level, allows you to disarm REs and proximity mines. Example: walk up to an explosive, hold O to disarm. It could be accompanied by a skill that shortens the time it takes to disarm explosives.

7. I have one last suggestion, but I suspect this one won't be very popular. CCP could make it so that you have to manually activate REs and proximity mines before they can be detonated. Example: I place an explosive on the ground, walk up to it and press (or hold) O to arm. It could take a set amount of time to arm the explosive (with a skillbook to shorten the activation time), or you could simply press O circle to arm and walk away.

Hmm correct me if I'm wrong but you are suggesting, for the most part, cosmetic changes to make them more realistic as apposed to changing the RE's stats right? If so then why are people bashing you? Not like you saying Nerf 'em or anything. Personally I agree with the cosmetic changes. Not so much the "manually arm the RE" but hacking/disarming is easily a good idea.
+1 for the poste.

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .

Sorry it was probably me lol.
So let me get this straight.....
You got out smarted by someone with under 300 ehp an lost a expensive suit an now u cry, nerf, fix, rebalance , make it fair,?!
Man gtfo of here!

Our suits got blown to crap with 1.2 there is hardly anything we can skill into that's viable an we die from like two shots from any gun an u want us to practically stand still to place a remote?!

You got owned bro deal wit it, happens to us from a cross the map every day!

Remote explosives should take 20 seconds to arm and you have to stand still, when they detonate it should shower the enemy in flowers and it should use 100 CPU and PG

You forgot the obligatory 5m long pink arrow pointing at every RE

True, what I was suggesting would have made it slightly op

1. I can tell what weapon an enemy is holding by visual cue (it looks like a MD, for example). Spotting the type of equipment they are wielding can be more difficult, but not impossible. Are you saying that the standard throwing animation used for drop uplinks, nanohives, and remote/proximity explosives is not significant enough and perhaps a baseball pitch is in order? How much more grandious would you like the animation to be? I personally think it's silly that the absence of a weapon didn't clue you in to his intent...unless you hoped he was trying to resupply you.

2. Again, what should they sound like? And what's more silly: that you can't hear a 20 pound bag hitting the ground or that I can't hear all 300lbs of you clip-clopping around?

3. It's because the framerate of this game is atrocious. They are animated.

4. Again, and assuming these things don't weight more than cement, how far do you think they should be thrown? I personally hate that they spawn at belly-button height and prevent me from throwing them over short walls or railings even when i'm jumping. Out of curiosity, how far did he throw them? It wasn't clear in your OP (please provide in meters). I'd prefer that they stick to whatever I throw them against, but can ASSURE you that it would spawn QQ threads when I start throwing them on the ceilings of null cannons and on the sides of vehicles.

5. I'm ok with them being on your HUD when a teammate is looking directly at them via LOS...although he's not much of a teammate if he doesn't shoot/flux them immediately. They should not EVER appear on the map as they lack the EM output of a soldier, installation, vehicle, nanohive, or uplink. Think: they are receive only and do not transmit. Visual detection or preventative pre-detonation is your only valid method of defense.

6. They do; it's called your primary/secondary/grenade skillbook. If you REALLy want another method of disarming that you can sink SP into I'm all for it....provided that getting shot during disarm and/or failing to complete an initiated disarm procedure result in immediate explosion.

7. (fixed) They use proximity/timed activation. This is a real thing, not futuristic.

REs already suffer from ease of flux removal, flipping/disappear bug, long time between deployment and detonation, being VERY easy to spot if you would just LOOK for them (bridges, walkways, stairs, etc are all good candidates). They will never light up the map, sound like a bowling ball landing, flash neon lights, or play classic rock for your detecting pleasure. Heavies CAN see them visually if you look for them, but it's hard to keep track of your minimap, your ammo, your target, AND look for tiny black pieces of equipment while galloping along in pursuit of a scout.

Hmm correct me if I'm wrong but you are suggesting, for the most part, cosmetic changes to make them more realistic as apposed to changing the RE's stats right? If so then why are people bashing you? Not like you saying Nerf 'em or anything. Personally I agree with the cosmetic changes. Not so much the "manually arm the RE" but hacking/disarming is easily a good idea.
+1 for the poste.

So you need the REs to glow red for you to see them? That would completely defeat the purpose of them. Next time use your eyes instead of asking for a nerf.

REs are one of the few ways new players can take down older players with much better gear.

I didn't even ask for this, so I assume you're exaggerating.

I think REs should be visible when thrown if the enemy is in your field of view, but this should only apply if the player is a few meters away from you.

In this post you did ask for REs to glow red like grenades do right?

If not then sorry.

If yes then HTFU.

To his defence, your suggestions come pretty close to that. They'd make sure only random fools would ever die to REs.

Um all ur rebuttals kinda do you no justice , k fine you didn't follow the scout, but it was your bad luck he was packing explosives.

So yesterday I blew up a ton of people this way, lol then the following match a guy I got must have been pissed an skilled into r/e between matches an he got me lmao, I totally did it to myself too, an yes I could see it, like a black box on the ground.
I didn't know what it was at first, then as soon as I realized I was proud of the guy!

An you should be too!

Its harder than you think

so if so someone got u, don't say op or change, just admit a sneaky scout, had you in his trap the whole time an u had no clue till u were dead.

Take it like a man.

Leave RE's alone. They are not as easy to use as you may think.

I have run up to groups of people before and thrown them and they DO SEE THEM and run away or throw a grenade at them. They are not invisible nor are they hard to see. The only time people DON'T see them is when a large group is hacking an objective. Then I forgo my knife and plant an RE(if it already isn't there) so I can get them all in one go. Not to mention just running up to a group of people is dangerous for a Scout. If I manage to sneak up on you close enough to plant one of these things without you seeing it then you deserve to die because I could have easily just as one shot you with my Novas or a Shotgun.

Remote charges are underused in this game already. You were caught by surprise and were a victim to something called "lack of awareness". Tough break that is the way of the battlefield

I am not sure if I would blame it on RE's

I have had the issue with grenades - you dont see anything just the explosion....and you are dead

I am not sure if its animations rendering or lag causing nothing to be seen. A couple days ago I was starting to get paranoid and was going to swtich back to my big TV

Dude the op is on crack, ur still goin on about this trying to get it top bumped eh?

You fail to remind yourself this an also your so slow even if you ran your still in the same place!
It does 1500 damage in 5m , you gotta clear 15 feet before its active; hence perfect heavy killer!

It also makes a sound on my end when I drop it just like a nano hive.
All equipment is that way SO YOU CAN BE SNEAKY ITS THE DESIGN OF THE GAME!
If it showed up on ur map that would void the point!

Do grenades show on ur tacnet?

Do you hear enemy's drop uplinks?