I'm starting to think that it would be in everyone's best interest to let this iteration of Dust die and start development on a PC version.

This isn't a doom and gloom post. I like this game and want it to succeed. But I feel it has no future at its current rate of development on a console that's approaching the end of its lifespan.

There is a lot of content that was promised and has yet to be implemented in this game. And with the PS4 on the horizon, how many players will still be around when it's finally "finished."

I don't know why CCP chose to develop on the PS3 rather than PC. If it was an attempt to attract a more casual gaming crowd then that ship has already sailed it seems. CCP had their big "release," on May 14. Player numbers peaked around that time and have steadily declined since. In all likelihood no matter what kind of update we get player numbers will never surpass that level again.

Dealing with console technical limitations has hindered the development of this game up to this point and will limit the scope of the game in the future. If CCP wants to take the longterm approach with their games then the computer is a much better medium for them.


Anyone else feel the same way?

For the ps4...I'm not going to go buy a pc for dust but most of us will be getting a ps4 either way so this is just a beta they've been secretly building dust on ps4 for release and they used ps3 and our feedback for testing which was then implemented on the ps4 version... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6O2ncUKvlg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

This really does seem like it was meant to be a PC game.. ESP with the horrid equipment wheel

Its too bad hackers are such a problem on PC...

I wonder if a combination of dedicated servers, moderation, and account creation fees could keep hacking in check.

The important bits of Dust are already server side authenticated. New accounts are already siloed to some degree in the academy matches. I'd say that CCP's bets are hedged.

If the game files are such that numbers like weapons damage or movement speed can be edited with hotfixes, that means PC would have access to editing the same numbers.

Oh FFS.

Dust was meant to get console players to get into the EVE universe. Not so EVE players could have a shooter to play in-universe. Dust is supposed to draw people into EVE, not the other way around.

How's that going to happen if CCP ditches consoles and goes to PC?

I kinda agree with the ditch PS3 and go to PC only. We will have much better games to play and this is a CONSOLE game after all don't need to be mixing KB and M on console.

This really does seem like it was meant to be a PC game.. ESP with the horrid equipment wheel

Its too bad hackers are such a problem on PC...

I wonder if a combination of dedicated servers, moderation, and account creation fees could keep hacking in check.

Hacking can be dealt with. Planetside 2 had monstrous hacking problems in early days but that was because the devs didn't apply any effort in dealing with it. Once they got their act together hacking dried up and almost completely disappeared.

Its not an unsolvable problem.

Hacking can be dealt with. Planetside 2 had monstrous hacking problems in early days but that was because the devs didn't apply any effort in dealing with it. Once they got their act together hacking dried up and almost completely disappeared.

Its not an unsolvable problem.

Cost wise a competitive Personal Computer set up compared to a Play Station 4 isn't even funny. Some of us can't afford that kind of warefare. CCP made a smart bet with Sony.

I'm starting to think that it would be in everyone's best interest to let this iteration of Dust die and start development on a PC version.

This isn't a doom and gloom post. I like this game and want it to succeed. But I feel it has no future at its current rate of development on a console that's approaching the end of its lifespan.

There is a lot of content that was promised and has yet to be implemented in this game. And with the PS4 on the horizon, how many players will still be around when it's finally "finished."

I don't know why CCP chose to develop on the PS3 rather than PC. If it was an attempt to attract a more casual gaming crowd then that ship has already sailed it seems. CCP had their big "release," on May 14. Player numbers peaked around that time and have steadily declined since. In all likelihood no matter what kind of update we get player numbers will never surpass that level again.

Dealing with console technical limitations has hindered the development of this game up to this point and will limit the scope of the game in the future. If CCP wants to take the longterm approach with their games then the computer is a much better medium for them.
Anyone else feel the same way?

Oh yeah? Good to hear!

Yeah... I'm all for PC client here. CCP seems to struggle with Sony's development requirements. I suspect they could do a lot more if they had the proper platform.

I would even pay sub for a PC version of this game (after a little polishing).

Plenty of people do, and they are all short sighted.

The games scope is too big to be done on PC. It would be hacked within hours.

Controls are not the the issue -- have KB/M. Graphics are kind of an issue, but we have PS4 client coming to fix that.

PC offers nothing aside from hacker problems.

Well at least they won't have hacked maxed characters at least.

Here's a question...

Is there a lot of hacking in eve?

I've not really heard of it being a problem.

If CCP can develop eve to not suffer constant hacking issues.. Why couldn't they develop dust to do the same?

Genuine question, I don't know anything about game development.

Free to play FPS game....

MMO subscription game.


BIG difference.

Why is that?

Hotfixes are server side, patches are client side. (At least for dust)

PCs could only ever have access to client side mechanics.

yeah cuz CCP would not want more then one person to have an account on a PC.

....

/facepalm

its more like majority of the items, weapons, stats and the sorts are all stored server side and there is no localized information pulled from any client outside of input signals.

Now its possible to packsniff incomming information and 'alter' the way it is displayed on a localized client to which most wall hacks, super radar and the sorts work on popularized cheats for games.

Here's a question...

Is there a lot of hacking in eve?

I've not really heard of it being a problem.

If CCP can develop eve to not suffer constant hacking issues.. Why couldn't they develop dust to do the same?

Genuine question, I don't know anything about game development.

How would you feel if I told you that I was on skype with a clan of PS2 hackers right now?

They should make it for Wii so I have a reason to use that darn thing stupid bowling gets old lol

Cost wise a competitive Personal Computer set up compared to a Play Station 4 isn't even funny. Some of us can't afford that kind of warefare. CCP made a smart bet with Sony.

I totally agree dust belongs on PC, I feel like I've lost quite a few IQ points having played with many of the console scrubs in this game.

Regardless of their original intentions ... It's clear this game is not doing well on the PS3.

Is it really though? What's the difference?

They have thrown **** at the wall and expect people to eat it.
Of course it didn't do well.

It would have the same reaction on a PC.
EVE never had competition, aside from a few games that never came out of beta, so the argument that PC players won't ditch it is invalid.

I'm starting to think that it would be in everyone's best interest to let this iteration of Dust die and start development on a PC version.

This isn't a doom and gloom post. I like this game and want it to succeed. But I feel it has no future at its current rate of development on a console that's approaching the end of its lifespan.

There is a lot of content that was promised and has yet to be implemented in this game. And with the PS4 on the horizon, how many players will still be around when it's finally "finished."

I don't know why CCP chose to develop on the PS3 rather than PC. If it was an attempt to attract a more casual gaming crowd then that ship has already sailed it seems. CCP had their big "release," on May 14. Player numbers peaked around that time and have steadily declined since. In all likelihood no matter what kind of update we get player numbers will never surpass that level again.

Dealing with console technical limitations has hindered the development of this game up to this point and will limit the scope of the game in the future. If CCP wants to take the longterm approach with their games then the computer is a much better medium for them.


Anyone else feel the same way?

Nobody wants to lose money.
If you hack a F2P game, you just open another account, nothing lost.
If you hack a sub game, you will lose everything you paid.

The real question is.. Is this game not doing well because of the ps3?

It is well known that the ps3 is a pita to code for... Not to mention the ram is laughable.

Also... Equipment and active modules would be about 100x better if you could use 1GÇô2-3-4 instead of the horrible equipment wheel we have now.

So a one time account activation fee, combined with the SP system could solve most hacking problems on its own?

Horrible?
After 1.2 switching is easy and quick.

PS3 is a pita to code for yes, but you can pull it off, plenty of games that show that.
I would say the choice of engine was bad, unreal engine 3 is known to require heavy modifications to work well on a PS3.

Selecting the right piece of equipment is still fairly inconsistent for the most part, its usually 2-3 attempts to pull out the right piece of equipment when you have 3-4 on that wheel.

Active modules on a tank are even worse cause you can inadvertently turn them off trying to select the right one!

I know there's hacking, sure, will always be in any game, its hard to fully stamp out client side aimbots and such. But its not rampant uncontrolled lunacy like it used to be, you can put a stop to 80-90% of you wish.

I totally agree dust belongs on PC, I feel like I've lost quite a few IQ points having played with many of the console scrubs in this game.

Plenty of people do, and they are all short sighted.

The games scope is too big to be done on PC. It would be hacked within hours.

Controls are not the the issue -- have KB/M. Graphics are kind of an issue, but we have PS4 client coming to fix that.

PC offers nothing aside from hacker problems.

Plenty of people do, and they are all short sighted.

The games scope is too big to be done on PC. It would be hacked within hours.

Controls are not the the issue -- have KB/M. Graphics are kind of an issue, but we have PS4 client coming to fix that.

PC offers nothing aside from hacker problems.

Regardless of their original intentions ... It's clear this game is not doing well on the PS3.