I don't expect major new content till 2.0

I'm not a huge competitive gamer myself, and I only came to Dust because of what it promised, I could care less about multiplayer, I hardly ever play it.

Dust can still be fun for me, and I'll stay with it. Hopefully 1.4 will be good, but I'm not expecting anything HUGE.

but... DUST is a muti player only game....

yes. :-)

So yeah, there is content in 1.4

CCP's already in a tough spot.

1.4 might be CCP's last leg. The bell lap of the race.

I honestly HOPE there's new content in 1.4 and not just fixes. People are grateful for the minor fixes, but the lack of content and the lack of reason to play other than grinding SP is chasing people away.

Look I have all the stuff I need for my role and then some, so SP grinding means nothing anymore. I'm a competitive gamer and came here for PC and corp matches. Now PC is dead.

I have no new heavy suit to skill into, I have no new pistol I want to try. I have no new map to play on. I have no new game mode to tryout. I have no reason to play FW.

These are problems that existed for far too long.

Now this isn't just about a "doom and gloom" post. There were some decent points made by the CPM. I'm sure IWS will post all the Q&A.

But this quote is what grabbed my attention cuz if the CPM knows this, then CCP knows this. So I hope they realize adding new content will go a long way in keeping some players playing DUST.

How does ANYONE think this game will prosper if its the same CORPs in the SAME alliances. There is NO reason to play what-so-ever. Where are the Merc's / Pirates groups? Where have all the districts gone? PC is dead because people who decide to be under the same TIT wont man up and do their own things. This game is about being A MERC, not a damn corporation.

"PC is dead" because without an actual eve sov tie-in it is meaningless. Not defending CCP by any means, but try to see more than three inches in front of your collective faces.

I don't see why people blame Corps / Alliances, im not just saying this cause im in one but we played the game we were given, there are no merc options, oh we can transfer money to each other? Cool so i can pay people to take land for me, which alliances do they take land so why pay someone?

People need to stop looking at the players/corps/alliances as ruining this game and more at CCP for lack of content, lack of merc options and most of all driving players away with a game still in beta. This is not the players fault.

CCP's already in a tough spot.

1.4 might be CCP's last leg. The bell lap of the race.

I honestly HOPE there's new content in 1.4 and not just fixes. People are grateful for the minor fixes, but the lack of content and the lack of reason to play other than grinding SP is chasing people away.

Look I have all the stuff I need for my role and then some, so SP grinding means nothing anymore. I'm a competitive gamer and came here for PC and corp matches. Now PC is dead.

I have no new heavy suit to skill into, I have no new pistol I want to try. I have no new map to play on. I have no new game mode to tryout. I have no reason to play FW.

These are problems that existed for far too long.

Now this isn't just about a "doom and gloom" post. There were some decent points made by the CPM. I'm sure IWS will post all the Q&A.

But this quote is what grabbed my attention cuz if the CPM knows this, then CCP knows this. So I hope they realize adding new content will go a long way in keeping some players playing DUST.

This honestly is both the players and CCP's fault. Keep staying under the same alliance only to find out that you will all get bored one day because you have no purpose to fight or anything for that matter to contend on. Think about it.

CCP's already in a tough spot.

1.4 might be CCP's last leg. The bell lap of the race.

I honestly HOPE there's new content in 1.4 and not just fixes. People are grateful for the minor fixes, but the lack of content and the lack of reason to play other than grinding SP is chasing people away.

Look I have all the stuff I need for my role and then some, so SP grinding means nothing anymore. I'm a competitive gamer and came here for PC and corp matches. Now PC is dead.

I have no new heavy suit to skill into, I have no new pistol I want to try. I have no new map to play on. I have no new game mode to tryout. I have no reason to play FW.

These are problems that existed for far too long.

Now this isn't just about a "doom and gloom" post. There were some decent points made by the CPM. I'm sure IWS will post all the Q&A.

But this quote is what grabbed my attention cuz if the CPM knows this, then CCP knows this. So I hope they realize adding new content will go a long way in keeping some players playing DUST.

This honestly is both the players and CCP's fault. Keep staying under the same alliance only to find out that you will all get bored one day because you have no purpose to fight or anything for that matter to contend on. Think about it.

I hope there will be new things too, but I'd be happy with Skirmish 1.0.

CCP needs to take some more steps to integrate Dust with Eve.

I honestly don't see how alliances killed PC. There's more than 1 alliance. This isn't a socialist convention going on in MH. If you don't want to join an alliance, get good enough to get noticed so people can hire you! If you're a nobody, then nobody needs you.

Don't want to merc, and want to be part of PC, join a corp involved with PC.

"PC is dead" because without an actual eve sov tie-in it is meaningless. Not defending CCP by any means, but try to see more than three inches in front of your collective faces.

And another thing: How are Mercs, Pirates or Small Corps supposed contend for land if everyone else has huge alliances?

Im talking to a brick wall at this point and wasting my time, if you don't see it then the standard grunt wont. And I have actually been noticed and hired out only problem AGAIN, how can you expect ANYONE to fight for a district or planet at this point in time if they are easily wiped out by alliance influence? It's common sense, unless CCP implements a cap on certain parts of the galaxy where people who exceed X amount of players in their CORP cant fight in it.

CCP needs too start doing one balancing update and one content update monthly instead of one or the other that they have been doing lately. the patches are nice but we need new content also.

Lol bored one day? EoN was built for more than just DUST when we realized where this game was going and with the ps4 coming out. EoN was also built for the long game in DUST with nullsec/sov we just didn't think it would take this long to get to where we are at now(which is a joke).

As for the bored comment we've been bored since Cronos quit, then we had 5 days of excitement vs LoI and been bored since, oh also the year before Corps/PC.. we are used to bored most of us are waiting for PS4.

I still don't see how this is the players fault when we prepared for and built(started before closed beta even started) for the mechanics that we were promised and shown and never got. Im sorry but this is on CCP for not delivering what they said(or taking their sweet time while they do) and once again for driving away the playerbase.

If you are here for ISK then it doesn't matter what corp owns what as long as they pay you.

That's EXACTLY what Im saying there is NO COMPETITION outside of LoI and EoN, how are we supposed to bring in new players if we all keep scaring them away with these huge alliances? As of right now no Merc/ Pirate/ Small Corps even stand a chance in PC. I have been on both ends of this; I was in EoN, LoI and now a regular Merc it honestly is frightening for smaller groups of players if they cant even enjoy the FULL experience of this game.

QQ about EoN ruining PC

lol

again, how is this the player's fault?

Not our fault we got ready for the mechanic in PC.

This honestly is both the players and CCP's fault. Keep staying under the same alliance only to find out that you will all get bored one day because you have no purpose to fight or anything for that matter to contend on. Think about it.

Your bored of this game? Then do something about it. You want more Corps? Make up your own. Want new players in this game? Teach/ Show them the trade of this game and push for guerrilla marketing. You can't expect a toddler to go into college on his first day of school and do well, it's completely irrational and out of the question.

Listen, if people didn't get bored, and left DUST / PC there would still be more corps playing which = more competition.

I don't get your point about how alliances destroyed PC

You're blaming us, for getting ready for a mechanic that CCP has in place??? Seriously??!!

"QQ about EoN ruining PC" never have I once said that, grow up. If your not going to actually help shape the future of this game then step aside, I came to this game because I WANTED to enjoy the experience that CCP has created and I'm not about to have it wasted by some "hotshot" on the internet who thinks the direction of this game currently is alright. Again either help the smaller Corps out/ expand this game or just be stuck in the same bubble your in.

what? No. If I'm bored, I'll leave.

I'm not here to hold hands and stuff like that. I don't mind helping people, but I won't help people that won't help themselves. How about try to attack someone?

You know what I personally did to a corp that attacked us that was a small corp? I gave each person on their team 5 million ISK, and told them "good effort. Talk to our CEO about getting a district"

You act like we're all bullies, and just stomp on new corps all the time. I don't even think we EVER attacked a small / new corp. There's no competition in that.

If you choose to hold people's hands and stuff like that, feel free. Personally I'm not. I'll help in my own way.

I would prefer if the current content works well and is balanced before they add more stuff and complicate stuff.
Let 1.4/1.5 be fixes, after that add content.

There should be a cap on how many corps can be in alliances 3-5 (depending on size). Bottom Line.

too late... GTA 5, then PS4 is out by then.

I don't know how adding a map, a new gun, a new suit, is a major deal to add. They can fix a million things but won't add something new? lol?

You think money is going to change anything? That's like throwing money at a poor person and saying to them "Invest that in the stock market, good luck." That's cruel.

You think money is going to change anything? That's like throwing money at a poor person and saying to them "Invest that in the stock market, good luck." That's cruel.

did i say money solved anything?

I gave them money to compensate them for money lost.

They wanted a district, obviously, so I told them contact our CEO.

You obviously have no idea what I'm talking about and instead wasting my time. I will just consult with Mavado and Cookie.

You obviously have no idea what I'm talking about and instead wasting my time. I will just consult with Mavado and Cookie.

Lightning xVx is just a troll.

Don't bother responding back to him.

I hope there will be new things too, but I'd be happy with Skirmish 1.0.

Skirmish 1.0 would be great to have again. Unfortunately CCP believes the game mode is unbalanced for some odd reason. I don't know CCP's logic however, since the Battlefield series had Rush mode and MAG had Sabotage and Domination, neither of which were imbalanced. This is another reason I fear that CCP has little idea how to design a FPS.

Skirmish 1.0 would be great to have again. Unfortunately CCP believes the game mode is unbalanced for some odd reason. I don't know CCP's logic however, since the Battlefield series had Rush mode and MAG had Sabotage and Domination, neither of which were imbalanced. This is another reason I fear that CCP has little idea how to design a FPS.

No. That would ruin the game.

False, like it or not, you're in a farmville alliance, nobody cares about the big alliances because they're full of mongs. The action is with the indie corps, don't like it? Do what SI seem to be doing, sell your districts to the smaller corps and let them flourish for a bit, when they're stronger come back and start a war, but seriously these big 15 corp alliances will do nobody any favours in the long run.

Speaking from a viewpoint outside all the Corp bullshit.

False, like it or not, you're in a farmville alliance, nobody cares about the big alliances because they're full of mongs. The action is with the indie corps, don't like it? Do what SI seem to be doing, sell your districts to the smaller corps and let them flourish for a bit, when they're stronger come back and start a war, but seriously these big 15 corp alliances will do nobody any favours in the long run.

Speaking from a viewpoint outside all the Corp bullshit.

You realize the only reason you SI guys aren't playing "farmville" right now is because The community got together and captured all the area you guys didn't fight for but were pretty much given....and then had the audacity to gloat and beat their chest about it.

At least we welcome actual combat, It's just that nobody wants to go at us right now.

A lot of you SI guys on the forums are incredibly hypocritical.

To add context to that quote in the OP


The reson CCP will be in a tough spot, is because 1.4 is far from 1.3 in terms of what it will bring. 1.3 is what anyone would call 'minor fixes'. 1.4 on the other hand...

From what was pitched to us, 1.4 will be making pretty massive changes to major aspects of core gameplay. It might be a point release, but it is not going to be minor by any definition. We're still waiting for the word from the bigwigs at the time of this posts as to what exactly we can divule from the 1.4 plan we recieved today... But rest assured - When you hear it, you're going to share our cautious optimism that this is the first step in a serious, deep dive towards making dust not suck at it's core level.

If this update somehow fails, that is why CCP will be in trouble. I'm not saying that all of these features will be perfect, because we don't know the nitty-gritty yet and have no way to playtest it. However, at least in telling us what they changed and how they changed it... We're pretty much unanimous in our optimism for 1.4 being a massive step forward, and the first real proof that this new, high speed development strategies and leadership structure is paying off.


Oh, and sorry for interrupting your PC banter with srsbsns. Carry on, Gents!

False, like it or not, you're in a farmville alliance, nobody cares about the big alliances because they're full of mongs. The action is with the indie corps, don't like it? Do what SI seem to be doing, sell your districts to the smaller corps and let them flourish for a bit, when they're stronger come back and start a war, but seriously these big 15 corp alliances will do nobody any favours in the long run.

Speaking from a viewpoint outside all the Corp bullshit.

lol Seraphim Iirrelevant

I find it really funny coming from the very corp that attack Dust University the first week of PC. Take your hypocritical bullshit elsewhere.

At least EoN didn't go out of its way to attack smaller corps to try and get more land. At least EoN has given / sold districts to smaller corps BEFORE you ever thought about doing it.

Now you're selling districts acting like you're doing the community a favor. EoN been doing this a lot longer than you have sir. Get off your wannabe high horse. Fact is your alliance was the most arrogant out there, and for what? Pressing X on as many districts as possible?

No wonder so many people blued up against you.

This honestly is both the players and CCP's fault. Keep staying under the same alliance only to find out that you will all get bored one day because you have no purpose to fight or anything for that matter to contend on. Think about it.

Lance m8, I usually find you amusing but I'm beginning to find you becoming more and more like a ******* mongoloid. All of our corps are nonfactors, who the **** cares if we hold some territory? You guys keep preaching "Hypocrite" and I sit here wondering how? Do I look like a director to you? Do you think I really care how much land my corp held or what they did to achieve it? I wanted to fight somewhat decent players, I found them, I got my ass handed too me as well as dishing out some severe damage. Unlike you Infantry scrubs, Tankers are good willed people, and aren't bothered by petty scrubs squabbles.

On DUST Uni, it was a tactical approach, you can bullshit me as much as you want, but you really think SI was the only one who was going to attack them? No, let them stay there and eventually they would've been taken by any number of corps, I can see that and I'm not even decent at strategy. iirc DUST Uni were being reallocated. In the beginning it was all out, everyone was pumped and this was going to be the start of epic battles, it wasn't.

*shrugs* I don't care who "started" doing it, I'm talking to you from a neutral standpoint, Corp bullshit should be in the war room, if you can't separate the game from discussing and making improvements it's sad.

I don't sit on a high horse, I just tell you what's going on, the indie corp leaders very happy that they're about to get into PC because they now have a district of their own, the enthusiasm that I lost about a month into it and maybe that we should be doing more of it, because right now you're the farmers of DUST, our alliance may be arrogant, it's hilarious to watch you guys get hyped up about it, and when you get hyped up, everybody wants to fight, it's great.


TL;DR give up Lance, forget the corp **** in GD, instead focus on what we can take out of this. Indie corps are having a lot more fun the these big ass alliances, I'm not a director, I'm a tanker who enjoys good fights, don't blame me for leadership decisions (You know, I was quite disappointed with the CRONOS alliance, I would've enjoyed fighting EU corps, Americans are bad in general ;) )

I am tired of ppl asking for glitter. I don't want more guns or cars or even custom pain suits. I want a reason to want to keep playing - in a persistent world where actions are supposed to have consequences, I want a setting where what I do makes some difference. This was the grand promis of Dust. Look at what actually is happening. PC is dead. FW literally is meaningless to me. Killboards are are a joke, basically it's a proxy for who's the best cal logi farmer. And the game offers nothing else.

My problem is you keep throwing jabs at EoN and saying we're the bad guys. "You ruined PC, and you're chasing away indie corps"

Basically is what you're inferring.

I'm no director either. I call it how i see it. Attacking DUST uni was a **** move. You know it, and I know it. Don't sugar coat it by saying "it was a tactical move". EoN gave Dust Uni a district or 2 in the end.

I laugh when you, of ALL PEOPLE IN PC, call us the farmers. Bro, you've been doing that from day 1 of PC. We've fought 2 wars to get where we're at.

You're blaming us for the very thing you did...irony at its finest.

Bottom line is, EoN is not stopping anyone from getting into PC. As you've seen Cubs has done allot of work on the front. Or you can choose to ignore the facts and point fingers.

Not our fault players left cuz the game got boring which led to less competition, which led to PC being how it is now. Point your fingers at CCP.

too late... GTA 5, then PS4 is out by then.

I don't know how adding a map, a new gun, a new suit, is a major deal to add. They can fix a million things but won't add something new? lol?

But seriously bro, get back to the wheat fields.

Well, when they try to do it quickly stuff like the flaylock happens.
Do you really want another flaylock?

resumes to troll a discussion when he has nothing relevant left to say

CCP's already in a tough spot.

1.4 might be CCP's last leg. The bell lap of the race.

I honestly HOPE there's new content in 1.4 and not just fixes. People are grateful for the minor fixes, but the lack of content and the lack of reason to play other than grinding SP is chasing people away.

Look I have all the stuff I need for my role and then some, so SP grinding means nothing anymore. I'm a competitive gamer and came here for PC and corp matches. Now PC is dead.

I have no new heavy suit to skill into, I have no new pistol I want to try. I have no new map to play on. I have no new game mode to tryout. I have no reason to play FW.

These are problems that existed for far too long.

Now this isn't just about a "doom and gloom" post. There were some decent points made by the CPM. I'm sure IWS will post all the Q&A.

But this quote is what grabbed my attention cuz if the CPM knows this, then CCP knows this. So I hope they realize adding new content will go a long way in keeping some players playing DUST.

This honestly is both the players and CCP's fault. Keep staying under the same alliance only to find out that you will all get bored one day because you have no purpose to fight or anything for that matter to contend on. Think about it.

To add context to that quote in the OP


The reson CCP will be in a tough spot, is because 1.4 is far from 1.3 in terms of what it will bring. 1.3 is what anyone would call 'minor fixes'. 1.4 on the other hand...

From what was pitched to us, 1.4 will be making pretty massive changes to major aspects of core gameplay. It might be a point release, but it is not going to be minor by any definition. We're still waiting for the word from the bigwigs at the time of this posts as to what exactly we can divule from the 1.4 plan we recieved today... But rest assured - When you hear it, you're going to share our cautious optimism that this is the first step in a serious, deep dive towards making dust not suck at it's core level.

If this update somehow fails, that is why CCP will be in trouble. I'm not saying that all of these features will be perfect, because we don't know the nitty-gritty yet and have no way to playtest it. However, at least in telling us what they changed and how they changed it... We're pretty much unanimous in our optimism for 1.4 being a massive step forward, and the first real proof that this new, high speed development strategies and leadership structure is paying off.


Oh, and sorry for interrupting your PC banter with srsbsns. Carry on, Gents!

How does ANYONE think this game will prosper if its the same CORPs in the SAME alliances. There is NO reason to play what-so-ever. Where are the Merc's / Pirates groups? Where have all the districts gone? PC is dead because people who decide to be under the same TIT wont man up and do their own things. This game is about being A MERC, not a damn corporation. This game will die to due; No Competition, No Purpose in fighting and Nothing new added/ fixed. There should be a cap on how many corps can be in alliances 3-5 (depending on size). Bottom Line.

Listen, if people didn't get bored, and left DUST / PC there would still be more corps playing which = more competition.

I don't get your point about how alliances destroyed PC

You're blaming us, for getting ready for a mechanic that CCP has in place??? Seriously??!!

Its a load of **** that a lot of the balancing updates are being integrated into the client updates. A lot of things can be done in hotfixes server side especially values like weapon range, dmg, modules, base values on suits etc that we already have.

AImiing and hit detection may require client code fixes but the other stuff can be rolled out ahead of time. Look at the changes made to PC they were introduced ahead of 1.3. This is just CCP using every bit of deadlines and slowing down the process as a result.

There is quite a bit that can be done server side or at least that what they led people at FF to believe.

1.5 is the vehicle patch

Wolfman is the vehicle dev now

2months to make or break

To add context to that quote in the OP


The reson CCP will be in a tough spot, is because 1.4 is far from 1.3 in terms of what it will bring. 1.3 is what anyone would call 'minor fixes'. 1.4 on the other hand...

From what was pitched to us, 1.4 will be making pretty massive changes to major aspects of core gameplay.

So yeah, there is content in 1.4

CCP's already in a tough spot.

1.4 might be CCP's last leg. The bell lap of the race.

I honestly HOPE there's new content in 1.4 and not just fixes. People are grateful for the minor fixes, but the lack of content and the lack of reason to play other than grinding SP is chasing people away.

Look I have all the stuff I need for my role and then some, so SP grinding means nothing anymore. I'm a competitive gamer and came here for PC and corp matches. Now PC is dead.

I have no new heavy suit to skill into, I have no new pistol I want to try. I have no new map to play on. I have no new game mode to tryout. I have no reason to play FW.

These are problems that existed for far too long.

Now this isn't just about a "doom and gloom" post. There were some decent points made by the CPM. I'm sure IWS will post all the Q&A.

But this quote is what grabbed my attention cuz if the CPM knows this, then CCP knows this. So I hope they realize adding new content will go a long way in keeping some players playing DUST.

CCP is giving content little by little , they need to have a job.

If they hand out everything now , they wont have a job in Dust514 department.

So yeah, there is content in 1.4

Nope, that is going to take too long for me.

I was already concerned that not getting the vehicle balance pass done before GTA 5 would be bad because it would prevent a deeper playerbase from providing feedback.

Pushing it back another month isn't going to help, especially when it looks like 1.4 won't have suits, maps, or game modes. So unless they are pulling some sort of magic rabbit out of their asses, I don't see anything being done to reverse the dropping player count.

So the vehicle balance pass won't be any good because the vet tankers will leave after a little bit longer of magic swarms, and other AV that we can't see, and then the noob tankers with less than 5 million SP will still be complaining about getting instapopped by AV grenades, because the AR toting infantry will not leave a game wherein they can feel omnipotent any time armor shows up.

I hope it's not just one map.


Munch

sorry, but this is the least of their worries. This is a FPS first and foremost. People need to have fun while shooting people before any extra little stuff like that gets done.

If they put more EVE / DUST connection...so what? We still have 4 maps, and the limited amount of weapons to choose from.

sorry, but this is the least of their worries. This is a FPS first and foremost. People need to have fun while shooting people before any extra little stuff like that gets done.

If they put more EVE / DUST connection...so what? We still have 4 maps, and the limited amount of weapons to choose from.

I wouldn't expect anything new for 1.4 just more fixes, but we really do need more content. We like the fixes with these monthly updates but it doesn't give us too much of a reason to stay.

One thing to keep in mind from this convo:

the CPM believes that racial heavy and scout suits are not being held back by only art assets, and is why we don't have placeholder content available for them.

Just so people can manage their expectations... don't expect anything in terms of new suits until at the earliest 1.6.

I've always wondered how this would be accomplished with two different platforms (computer and PS3).

Would Sony even allow it in the first place? I have my doubts.

Its been working for FFXIV:ARR... I can play on my PC with my buddy on his PS3.

So its possible somehow!

Sony has no issue with it but I dont think MS is letting anything outside of XBL, its probably the main reason its secure and why Dust is on PS3

Other developers (think it was Ubisoft) have said its a pain to get working well though.

What I really dont want to hear are the apologists if there isnt much there.

sorry, but this is the least of their worries. This is a FPS first and foremost. People need to have fun while shooting people before any extra little stuff like that gets done.

If they put more EVE / DUST connection...so what? We still have 4 maps, and the limited amount of weapons to choose from.

I get your point, but we don't have a BF2142 type of Gibraltar map or Titan (MCC for Dust) boarding to really force choke-point (indoor) battle lines either (maybe we'll discover that Nova Knives really are OP?). I'm just a bit bitter that we lost our 'Rush' conquest game mode even though it has been considered a standard team FPS element for many years.

As for Eve tie-ins, I doubt the people who code FPS core mechanics are the same ones building "new" game-modes or tie-ins with Faction Warfare or PI or SOV mechanics. I wouldn't be surprised if 1.4 included some additional Eve tie-ins.

I didn't enjoy Dust when I first played. I stuck with it.... well because it's free. Lately I've begun to actually enjoy it. Even with all the bugs, and the "failure" that people say Uprising was, I feel like it's still a lot of fun. Even if I had everything I wanted specc'd into, I'd still play, because it's a game, that's supposed to be fun.

I don't play for SP, I don't play for ISK and I certainly don't care about "being better than X Corp". The pissing contest can take place in the bathroom, I'm in the game room having fun.

That said, the fact that people are clamouring for new content is a good sign that the core game is better than it was.

that's the thinking of a casual player, while I won't judge you and call you a scrub for it, you shouldn't say competitive gamers are involved in a "pissing contest".

Humans are competitive in everything, it's a natural thing, almost a survival instinct.

The biggest / most popular corps in this game are competitive corps. Without them, the game would lose at least half the active player base. These competitive gamers are the ones spending the most money on this game in order to keep up with the SP race. What do casual players do? Play a couple pubs a week, might spend a couple dollars here and there.

What gives this game its longevity is suppose to be PC (Planetary Conquest). Without that, this game is nothing more than a mediocre lobby shooter with no meaning.

So I don't know why you look down on competitive gamers.

Really PC I think PC is one of the worst Ideas this isn't about us owning land if you want to sit around and farmville play EVE and join a big alliance and do PI, mercs should be fighting for capsuleers on the ground and in space.
Sorry for the Rant, just an personal belief.

CCP's already in a tough spot.

1.4 might be CCP's last leg. The bell lap of the race.

I honestly HOPE there's new content in 1.4 and not just fixes. People are grateful for the minor fixes, but the lack of content and the lack of reason to play other than grinding SP is chasing people away.

Look I have all the stuff I need for my role and then some, so SP grinding means nothing anymore. I'm a competitive gamer and came here for PC and corp matches. Now PC is dead.

I have no new heavy suit to skill into, I have no new pistol I want to try. I have no new map to play on. I have no new game mode to tryout. I have no reason to play FW.

These are problems that existed for far too long.

Now this isn't just about a "doom and gloom" post. There were some decent points made by the CPM. I'm sure IWS will post all the Q&A.

But this quote is what grabbed my attention cuz if the CPM knows this, then CCP knows this. So I hope they realize adding new content will go a long way in keeping some players playing DUST.

The problem isn't PC, the problem is its current mechanic, and the fact that people are leaving the game.

It won't be such a farmville snoozefest if there were people fighting over the land, and to address your other argument, IF the land had value for EVE players.

Fact is, EVE players don't really care about DUST. They have no reason to. So who's gonna pay mercs to do anything in DUST?

[quote=Takahiro Kashuken]
Pushing it back another month isn't going to help, especially when it looks like 1.4 won't have suits, maps, or game modes. So unless they are pulling some sort of magic rabbit out of their asses, I don't see anything being done to reverse the dropping player count.

CCP are not fools, but their development paradigm is quite different from big name mass market companies a lot of people are used to. Though 'released' this is yet to be 'marketed'. (that's me saying "We still be in beta foolz!")

CCP's already in a tough spot.

1.4 might be CCP's last leg. The bell lap of the race.

I honestly HOPE there's new content in 1.4 and not just fixes. People are grateful for the minor fixes, but the lack of content and the lack of reason to play other than grinding SP is chasing people away.

Look I have all the stuff I need for my role and then some, so SP grinding means nothing anymore. I'm a competitive gamer and came here for PC and corp matches. Now PC is dead.

I have no new heavy suit to skill into, I have no new pistol I want to try. I have no new map to play on. I have no new game mode to tryout. I have no reason to play FW.

These are problems that existed for far too long.

Now this isn't just about a "doom and gloom" post. There were some decent points made by the CPM. I'm sure IWS will post all the Q&A.

But this quote is what grabbed my attention cuz if the CPM knows this, then CCP knows this. So I hope they realize adding new content will go a long way in keeping some players playing DUST.

Eve players WANT this game to fail, they want it bad. This would return CCPs complete focus back to EVE

It's hard to explain, but while every fiber of my mind wants to agree whole-heartedly with the emotion, the cold fact is that we bitched up a storm for 2 solid months on aiming, mechanics, SP, weapons, and suits being OP or nerfed. What did anyone honestly suspect?

Maybe this comes as a shock to most of us, but their is no "solution" to this game. All we have are trade-offs and we need to make our expectations more clear and well-known. CCP is not communicating a solid list of future features, then by all means, let us ourselves make it for them. What fixes are crucial, what are we willing to wait for? What features need focus and for what reasons? Priorities? Impact and hypothetical errors in features?

Stop screaming to daddy or the office janitor to fix everything. Take some ownership, eh?

that's the thinking of a casual player, while I won't judge you and call you a scrub for it, you shouldn't say competitive gamers are involved in a "pissing contest".

Humans are competitive in everything, it's a natural thing, almost a survival instinct.

The biggest / most popular corps in this game are competitive corps. Without them, the game would lose at least half the active player base. These competitive gamers are the ones spending the most money on this game in order to keep up with the SP race. What do casual players do? Play a couple pubs a week, might spend a couple dollars here and there.

What gives this game its longevity is suppose to be PC (Planetary Conquest). Without that, this game is nothing more than a mediocre lobby shooter with no meaning.

So I don't know why you look down on competitive gamers.

That's largely out of our hands Jathniel. We can't make the game live up to the trailers that were shown over the years. CCP need to do that part.

What we can do is steer them in the right direction when they take a wrong turn: cal logis, flaylocks, fused nades, murder-taxis, amarr logi, etc etc

While it's true in a practical sense, I would have to ultimately disagree. CCP has all these ideas in their heads about where they want to go and what they think that next step is. The problem is, we are taking the step and they are watching the reaction.

I believe this relationship should be deeper and that rather than being reactive we become proactive. What do we want to see in a month? 2 months? 2.0? A year?

To begin with, I see features like PC and FC having lots of potential for long-term growth, but initially a very confined experience.

Personally I believe the 2 features that need to be implemented are:
- Secondary Market ---> Evolving value of ISK and the essence of universal player interaction. Very clear, numerical measures of inflation, unbalanced equipment, weapon popularity, etc. Lot's of value for everyone to look at.
- Boarding Parties ----> Simple, small maps aboard ships spawned by a Eve Weapon, "pod-launcher". Time-sensitive missions with a chance of opposing PvP (if clones aboard)...engaging and vital opportunities to cause real problems and destruction in New Eden (even if only allowed in High and Low-sec). Also allows for a highly desirable feeling of depth and accomplishment along with a sense of unknown and exploration.

I am confident that if we could even get a basic version of this in 2 months, we could launch this game into unlimited potential. We become self-aware on the market and in a grander scheme, we become living ammo...and ammo sees a lot of action in New Eden.