To add context to that quote in the OP


The reson CCP will be in a tough spot, is because 1.4 is far from 1.3 in terms of what it will bring. 1.3 is what anyone would call 'minor fixes'. 1.4 on the other hand...

From what was pitched to us, 1.4 will be making pretty massive changes to major aspects of core gameplay.

So yeah, there is content in 1.4

CCP's already in a tough spot.

1.4 might be CCP's last leg. The bell lap of the race.

I honestly HOPE there's new content in 1.4 and not just fixes. People are grateful for the minor fixes, but the lack of content and the lack of reason to play other than grinding SP is chasing people away.

Look I have all the stuff I need for my role and then some, so SP grinding means nothing anymore. I'm a competitive gamer and came here for PC and corp matches. Now PC is dead.

I have no new heavy suit to skill into, I have no new pistol I want to try. I have no new map to play on. I have no new game mode to tryout. I have no reason to play FW.

These are problems that existed for far too long.

Now this isn't just about a "doom and gloom" post. There were some decent points made by the CPM. I'm sure IWS will post all the Q&A.

But this quote is what grabbed my attention cuz if the CPM knows this, then CCP knows this. So I hope they realize adding new content will go a long way in keeping some players playing DUST.

CCP is giving content little by little , they need to have a job.

If they hand out everything now , they wont have a job in Dust514 department.

So yeah, there is content in 1.4

Nope, that is going to take too long for me.

I was already concerned that not getting the vehicle balance pass done before GTA 5 would be bad because it would prevent a deeper playerbase from providing feedback.

Pushing it back another month isn't going to help, especially when it looks like 1.4 won't have suits, maps, or game modes. So unless they are pulling some sort of magic rabbit out of their asses, I don't see anything being done to reverse the dropping player count.

So the vehicle balance pass won't be any good because the vet tankers will leave after a little bit longer of magic swarms, and other AV that we can't see, and then the noob tankers with less than 5 million SP will still be complaining about getting instapopped by AV grenades, because the AR toting infantry will not leave a game wherein they can feel omnipotent any time armor shows up.

I hope it's not just one map.


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sorry, but this is the least of their worries. This is a FPS first and foremost. People need to have fun while shooting people before any extra little stuff like that gets done.

If they put more EVE / DUST connection...so what? We still have 4 maps, and the limited amount of weapons to choose from.

sorry, but this is the least of their worries. This is a FPS first and foremost. People need to have fun while shooting people before any extra little stuff like that gets done.

If they put more EVE / DUST connection...so what? We still have 4 maps, and the limited amount of weapons to choose from.

I wouldn't expect anything new for 1.4 just more fixes, but we really do need more content. We like the fixes with these monthly updates but it doesn't give us too much of a reason to stay.

One thing to keep in mind from this convo:

the CPM believes that racial heavy and scout suits are not being held back by only art assets, and is why we don't have placeholder content available for them.

Just so people can manage their expectations... don't expect anything in terms of new suits until at the earliest 1.6.

I've always wondered how this would be accomplished with two different platforms (computer and PS3).

Would Sony even allow it in the first place? I have my doubts.

Its been working for FFXIV:ARR... I can play on my PC with my buddy on his PS3.

So its possible somehow!

Sony has no issue with it but I dont think MS is letting anything outside of XBL, its probably the main reason its secure and why Dust is on PS3

Other developers (think it was Ubisoft) have said its a pain to get working well though.

What I really dont want to hear are the apologists if there isnt much there.

sorry, but this is the least of their worries. This is a FPS first and foremost. People need to have fun while shooting people before any extra little stuff like that gets done.

If they put more EVE / DUST connection...so what? We still have 4 maps, and the limited amount of weapons to choose from.

I get your point, but we don't have a BF2142 type of Gibraltar map or Titan (MCC for Dust) boarding to really force choke-point (indoor) battle lines either (maybe we'll discover that Nova Knives really are OP?). I'm just a bit bitter that we lost our 'Rush' conquest game mode even though it has been considered a standard team FPS element for many years.

As for Eve tie-ins, I doubt the people who code FPS core mechanics are the same ones building "new" game-modes or tie-ins with Faction Warfare or PI or SOV mechanics. I wouldn't be surprised if 1.4 included some additional Eve tie-ins.

I didn't enjoy Dust when I first played. I stuck with it.... well because it's free. Lately I've begun to actually enjoy it. Even with all the bugs, and the "failure" that people say Uprising was, I feel like it's still a lot of fun. Even if I had everything I wanted specc'd into, I'd still play, because it's a game, that's supposed to be fun.

I don't play for SP, I don't play for ISK and I certainly don't care about "being better than X Corp". The pissing contest can take place in the bathroom, I'm in the game room having fun.

That said, the fact that people are clamouring for new content is a good sign that the core game is better than it was.

that's the thinking of a casual player, while I won't judge you and call you a scrub for it, you shouldn't say competitive gamers are involved in a "pissing contest".

Humans are competitive in everything, it's a natural thing, almost a survival instinct.

The biggest / most popular corps in this game are competitive corps. Without them, the game would lose at least half the active player base. These competitive gamers are the ones spending the most money on this game in order to keep up with the SP race. What do casual players do? Play a couple pubs a week, might spend a couple dollars here and there.

What gives this game its longevity is suppose to be PC (Planetary Conquest). Without that, this game is nothing more than a mediocre lobby shooter with no meaning.

So I don't know why you look down on competitive gamers.

Really PC I think PC is one of the worst Ideas this isn't about us owning land if you want to sit around and farmville play EVE and join a big alliance and do PI, mercs should be fighting for capsuleers on the ground and in space.
Sorry for the Rant, just an personal belief.

CCP's already in a tough spot.

1.4 might be CCP's last leg. The bell lap of the race.

I honestly HOPE there's new content in 1.4 and not just fixes. People are grateful for the minor fixes, but the lack of content and the lack of reason to play other than grinding SP is chasing people away.

Look I have all the stuff I need for my role and then some, so SP grinding means nothing anymore. I'm a competitive gamer and came here for PC and corp matches. Now PC is dead.

I have no new heavy suit to skill into, I have no new pistol I want to try. I have no new map to play on. I have no new game mode to tryout. I have no reason to play FW.

These are problems that existed for far too long.

Now this isn't just about a "doom and gloom" post. There were some decent points made by the CPM. I'm sure IWS will post all the Q&A.

But this quote is what grabbed my attention cuz if the CPM knows this, then CCP knows this. So I hope they realize adding new content will go a long way in keeping some players playing DUST.

The problem isn't PC, the problem is its current mechanic, and the fact that people are leaving the game.

It won't be such a farmville snoozefest if there were people fighting over the land, and to address your other argument, IF the land had value for EVE players.

Fact is, EVE players don't really care about DUST. They have no reason to. So who's gonna pay mercs to do anything in DUST?

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Pushing it back another month isn't going to help, especially when it looks like 1.4 won't have suits, maps, or game modes. So unless they are pulling some sort of magic rabbit out of their asses, I don't see anything being done to reverse the dropping player count.

CCP are not fools, but their development paradigm is quite different from big name mass market companies a lot of people are used to. Though 'released' this is yet to be 'marketed'. (that's me saying "We still be in beta foolz!")