Well, that was a depressingly insightful read.

"I'm pissed off about my friends having to grind SP so I'm going to pretend to be an expert on internal affairs at CCP. I will preface my rant with an insult to anyone who might disagree."

Seriously, Dust is an FPS with with a long-term skill tree. That's the point. If you have a problem with that, then no amount of AAA developers or polish will make you happy. Dust is intended to be competitive, but its NOT intended to be e-sports material.

I thought most competitive shooters just regurgitate what works even if some other game chewed it for them already.

No competitive FPS clan will stick around and hope-n-pray that this gets better. I agree with Attorney that the only thing that will save this is if they just focused on a massive reboot of just about everything. Take it down for 6-12 months and go back to an internal beta and re-release it on the PS4.

To have this game survive in the near future it must have:
- At least 64 v 64 game modes
- Large Map Sizes
- Commander Mode
- More diverse play environments
- PVE
- More vehicle diversity

There is no way that this game is going to compete against BF or KZ which are PS4 launch titles. Then add in Destiny and the other games that are coming out shortly after and this game will look archaic.

I thought most competitive shooters just regurgitate what works even if some other game chewed it for them already.

I'm sorry but what does map size and team size have to do with making the game survive? Look at MAG. They had Commander Mode, the largest battles, and extremely large playing maps, yet the game went downhill. If it's as bad as you and OP say in Dust those gimmicks ain't gonna help. We need them to dive deeper into New Eden with Dust 514 and allow for some dynamic stuff to really happen.

I guarantee you it'll be way more inviting if corporations could do something like, actually help toppling an EVE empire.

I thought most competitive shooters just regurgitate what works even if some other game chewed it for them already.

Old saying, if it aint broke don't fix it.

Isn't that what lead Medal of Honor getting stomped out of existence almost though?

We are npt 8 years in, EVE is 8 years in, we are 18 months into DUST's 10 year plan, get your facts right b4 slating,yes things are bad now and the game needs improving on but there are so many QQ threads there good ideas are getting lost in the sh*t in the forums

Old saying, if it aint broke don't fix it.

MAG was a great game with an insufficient business strategy. It's funny, 1.03 pales the carnage inflicted by patches such as Uprising.

True true but it gets boring after a while if the vomit doesn't at least change colors or smells.

MAG's fault was not in the game's basis but what the developers did after that.
There is the imfamous 1.3 patch that Noc mentioned
There were two DLCs that were completely worthless
The developer went under and yet the game still survived for a bit after

Map/Team size
a - Allow for more diversity in vehicles (air ground)
b - Allow for more diversity of players. A couple new guys can survive in a bigger group when they have more support
c - Makes dropships and transport vehicles mean more than just getting to an objective a tad bit quicker
d - Bigger and more complex facilities mean that more strategy is involved and allows for more diversity in vehicles as different ones will be suited to different environments

Adapt & Die - This shouldnt mean that you have to overcome bad mechanics, sloppy development and poor communication. It should mean that you have to be able to field the best fit for the environment that is put in front of you. The ability to take stock of the situation and put yourself in the best possible gear to have your and your team win.

Right now we are just playing ring-around-the-rosie trucking from objective to objective.

You mean if MAG 2/DUST 514 had been a bit more like ... say ... Planetside 2, it would be a great game?

You mean if MAG 2/DUST 514 had been a bit more like ... say ... Planetside 2, it would be a great game?

Not realy, truthful and honest but not depressing .

Pretty much this.

Sony is actually ambitious for their game, CCP doesn't actually care enough about Dust514 to have wanted something on the scale of Planetside2.

Instead they tried to make a poor Battlefield clone and have even failed that.

This doesn't really even get into how badly they've failed to capitalize on their unique features ie integration with Eve Online.

They have no plans to have meaningful -combined arms- combat between Eve fleets and Dust514 mercs.

There are no plans beyond space farming of some kind that Eve industrialists (carebears) might want.

Noone that actually pvps in Eve (ie the actual good players) will care about Dust514 with any of their plans.

Complimentary. A simple word.

Isn't that what lead Medal of Honor getting stomped out of existence almost though?

Too bad the word you were looking for is Complementary. Sometimes, trying to sound smarter than you are can backfire.

I know this is an FPS but our "grind" system mimics that of MMOs. We REALLY need PVE..

They can't even get racial heavy/scout suits and racial rifles out. I can't imagine the PvE will be good enough to save this game.

You are taking the ten year plan and changing words around. I'm sure they meant ten years after release ;)

Sometimes corrected one spelling without noticing that ALL his posts are edited cause he just flies through can make you look like a bloody Nerd. But not the I like comics and games kind.

lol, good luck with this game being viable 10 months after release

You didn't misspell the word, you used the wrong word entirely. Judging by your response, you still don't know the difference. I'm just trying to help you. Don't use big words when you have a limited vocabulary, it will save you from sounding ignorant.

Is it even viable now? Player counts are trending down, there doesn't seem to be any meaningful content due for the next couple of months, and the fixes are coming slow and with their own problems.

How few players does Dust need to be called a flop?

Isn't that what lead Medal of Honor getting stomped out of existence almost though?

Is it even viable now? Player counts are trending down, there doesn't seem to be any meaningful content due for the next couple of months, and the fixes are coming slow and with their own problems.

How few players does Dust need to be called a flop?

You don't cut a dog in half and try and sew it on a cat.

Right now people are hanging on by a thread with hope that 1.4 will actually be something meaningful. 1.3 is going to be a balancing pass and 1.4 will be new content.

1.4 will be the last shot CCP has at keeping core FPS players interested or they will just sit and wait for the PS4 launch FPS titles.

Uprising Launch - 8-9k people
One Month Later - 5-6k people
Currently - 4k people

CCP either understands that they need to burn the midnight oil to get a good release out for 1.4 or the only people that are going to playing this game are EVE folks and the poor sap that thought they were getting a good deal with a free FPS game.

Well since it was 5000 last time we could see, at the rate it dropped (4000 in 2 weeks from 9000), that'd put it somewhere around 1500-3000 right now. When people stop buying Aurum and logging in and the numbers drop below 1000, maybe they'll take notice as to how all of their hardcore playerbase left and it's just clueless noobs that dont have the patience to understand this stupid game.

The EvE API log in tracker has dust at a pretty steady 4600-4800 actually... on weekends at least.

However... whats more interesting is looking at the newborn player chart. It says over 9000 people per week are making new dust accounts, and yet the player numbers never increase.

I find that very interesting myself...

http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust

Lies... They are just protecting their own ass. I wouldn't be surprise if the player population is made up too. I see the same people all the time.

Well since it was 5000 last time we could see, at the rate it dropped (4000 in 2 weeks from 9000), that'd put it somewhere around 1500-3000 right now. When people stop buying Aurum and logging in and the numbers drop below 1000, maybe they'll take notice as to how all of their hardcore playerbase left and it's just clueless noobs that dont have the patience to understand this stupid game.

We are npt 8 years in, EVE is 8 years in, we are 18 months into DUST's 10 year plan, get your facts right b4 slating,yes things are bad now and the game needs improving on but there are so many QQ threads there good ideas are getting lost in the sh*t in the forums

Complimentary. A simple word. A simple fix. How can FPS mechanics COMPLIMENT the MMO EVE? and you take it from there. You don't cut a dog in half and try and sew it on a cat.


You MAKE the complete FPS game. and THEN see how that can work with another game. you don't bash it to pieces and try and create something new with the bloody remains.


And about MAG? I wouldn't be surprised if it showed up on ps4. right next to socom. cause what was wrong with that game wasn't its core mechanics. (Bad decisions about DLC) MAG also had a complex tier objective system that NO ONE WOULD HAVE HATED DUST FOR RIPPING OFF. They should have.

Bring on the AA HAV's, because that is going to fix everything.

Oh wow, I forgot about those tanks. Commando suit is in a bad state so how will I be convinced that this vehicle will be useful?

Isn't that what lead Medal of Honor getting stomped out of existence almost though?

The EvE API log in tracker has dust at a pretty steady 4600-4800 actually... on weekends at least.

However... whats more interesting is looking at the newborn player chart. It says over 9000 people per week are making new dust accounts, and yet the player numbers never increase.

I find that very interesting myself...

http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust

Who cares?

So he used the wrong word that sounds exactly like the right word. The only people that care are other grammer n@zis and English teachers. How about arguing the topic rather than being a petty little nothing?

I'm obviously trolling this thread because I'm sick of people writing novel-sized forum posts about why they hate this game, yet continue to play it. This topic is a dead horse that has been beaten beyond recognition and I have absolutely no desire to "argue the topic". I would much prefer that people just STFU or HTFU. Don't like the game and don't think it will ever succeed? STOP PLAYING.

We have stopped playing, the in game client but WE WILL NEVER STOP PLAYING THE REAL GAME.

Didnt anyone tell you, you dont play dust on a PS3 you play it like EVE, ON THE FORUMS.

Old saying, if it aint broke don't fix it.

https://forums.dust514.com. Where the real metagame is.

https://forums.dust514.com. Where the real metagame is.

True true but it gets boring after a while if the vomit doesn't at least change colors or smells.

You heard it here first, gents!

Any attempt at innovation is bad.

I'm obviously trolling this thread because I'm sick of people writing novel-sized forum posts about why they hate this game, yet continue to play it. This topic is a dead horse that has been beaten beyond recognition and I have absolutely no desire to "argue the topic". I would much prefer that people just STFU or HTFU. Don't like the game and don't think it will ever succeed? STOP PLAYING.

I'm obviously trolling this thread because I'm sick of people writing novel-sized forum posts about why they hate this game, yet continue to play it. This topic is a dead horse that has been beaten beyond recognition and I have absolutely no desire to "argue the topic". I would much prefer that people just STFU or HTFU. Don't like the game and don't think it will ever succeed? STOP PLAYING.

People are stopping, all the time. Just look at the trending figures on eve-offline. As regards the novellas of criticism, would you prefer one-liners? You know, "This game sucks, you're all gay for playing, I'm quitting to wait for Destiny"?

If you don't want to read constructive feedback that people have put thought into then I suggest you stop playing the forum. If people didn't care about the game they'd just leave quietly and move onto the next thing.

Found the error in your statement.

Executive Prodcer-DUST514
CCP is looking for an Executive Producer to take on DUST 514 continued development since its initial launch on the PlayStation 3 on May 14, 2013. In a similar way as CCP made EVE Online growth and prosper for over a decade the plan is the same for DUST 514 and in a similar way as with EVE, expand platforms in the future beyond the initial PS3 version. The EP is responsible for reconciling business and creative needs to create an inspirational product with successful business model. This position will lead overall development and will work closely with publishing and operations activities for DUST 514. The EP is responsible for the overall success of the title. The Executive Producer will need to build and lead strong teams of senior people from across the project in order to develop, communicate and execute the creative vision and business plans for DUST 514. As the key business leader for the project, the Executive Producer maintains a strategic focus on the overall goals of the project and a long term perspective in respect to creativity, quality, budget and timelines.

LOL

DUST is dead,

LMFAO!

Executive Prodcer-DUST514
CCP is looking for an Executive Producer to take on DUST 514 continued development since its initial launch on the PlayStation 3 on May 14, 2013. In a similar way as CCP made EVE Online growth and prosper for over a decade the plan is the same for DUST 514 and in a similar way as with EVE, expand platforms in the future beyond the initial PS3 version. The EP is responsible for reconciling business and creative needs to create an inspirational product with successful business model. This position will lead overall development and will work closely with publishing and operations activities for DUST 514. The EP is responsible for the overall success of the title. The Executive Producer will need to build and lead strong teams of senior people from across the project in order to develop, communicate and execute the creative vision and business plans for DUST 514. As the key business leader for the project, the Executive Producer maintains a strategic focus on the overall goals of the project and a long term perspective in respect to creativity, quality, budget and timelines.

I thought most competitive shooters just regurgitate what works even if some other game chewed it for them already.

You meant the "working formula" that everyone uses because they know that it works ?

A car have 4 wheels right ? Why try to put 3 wheels on, when you know that isn't going to work ? Why try to use 20 wheels, when you know that isn't going to make any difference ?

TL;DR If I wanted your opinion I would stick it in your mouth, read or sod off.

EDIT: Vindication!!!!!! AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!!!!!
http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs/job-details.aspx?jobid=476

Don't get to excited there big boy.

New leadership might mean another 8-10 years to turn this pile of crap around.
At the very least maybe 2-3 years to get it going in the correct direction.

Meh and who knows new leadership my run this crap pile even further into the ground.

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Executive Producer of Dust 514 is being replaced!
http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs/job-details.aspx?jobid=476

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budgie ...

MoH failed cuz nobody WANTED a MoH.

Why would anyone want a clone CoD game with BF mechanics? 2 very different markets colliding to create a mediocre game that wasn't good in any department.

People want a DUST. People want a reason to play. Problem is CCP don't even know what they want for DUST themselves.

You know how many people expected PVE at this point? How great that would have been for new comers AND vets alike? People are tired of the same 4 map pubstomp. PC means nothing anymore, FW has always meant nothing, and lolpubs.

True true but it gets boring after a while if the vomit doesn't at least change colors or smells.