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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:05:00 -
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The CPM we have now are from EVE and not DUST 514. We have no representation as far as DUST 514.
Dust 514 needs representation to obtain balance.
Wheres the Dust 514 ASSAULT CPM? Nothing.
Wheres the Dust 514 SCOUT CPM? Nothing.
Wheres the Dust 514 LOGISTICS CPM? Nothing.
Wheres the Dust 514 HEAVY CPM? Nothing.
Wheres the Dust 514 DROPSHIP CPM? Nothing.
Wheres the Dust 514 TANK CPM? Nothing.
Wheres the Dust 514 LAV CPM? Nothing.
Anywho shakes head and fondly looks at PS4 pre-order as another week is passed by on the way to November. Continues playing Fallout 3. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:11:00 -
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Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2581
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:14:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience. But they also play EVE, which means they are EVEtards who do not represent any of us because playing EVE is the only thing that defines anyone who plays it and skews their view of anything other than EVE to want it to be EVE-like.
Logic. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:15:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience.
None of them are representative of the areas I mentioned and thats why we have the game of Dust 514 in its present state. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:16:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience.
Nah man, they were chosen because they hung around in IRC and brown nosed better than others and I believe right now they are telling CCP to hold off on letting the player base actually elect some CPM |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2886
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:17:00 -
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tbh, I don't even think the majority of CPM members even play DUST anymore. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2581
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:19:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience. None of them are representative of the areas I mentioned and thats why we have the game of Dust 514 in its present state. Why the hell did you just Like my post? You do realize I was not agreeing with you at all, right? |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:19:00 -
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Tech that's a rather bizarre view, and a rather poor one. I'm willing to bet that most of the CPM have tried out those roles at some point in the beta. Just because they don't limit themselves to one playstyle doesn't mean that they nothing about it. Breathed is better than depth right now. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
74
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:24:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience. Nah man, they were chosen because they hung around in IRC and brown nosed better than others and I believe right now they are telling CCP to hold off on letting the player base actually elect some CPM So vitrol aside they were chosen because they involved themselves with the dust developers. Not seeing an issue there
Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:None of them are representative of the areas I mentioned and thats why we have the game of Dust 514 in its present state. Proof? Unless you are on the CPM you can't really see what the CPM advocates. Also the CPM cannot bear primary blame for the state of the game when they basically came into existence a few months ago. I doubt they even had much if any time to give real preventative feedback on half the issues introduced since Uprising launched. I mean, if you inherit crap, chances are you have a long road of work before it's not crap anymore and that assumes everyone is working with you. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:25:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Tech that's a rather bizarre view, and a rather poor one. I'm willing to bet that most of the CPM have tried out those roles at some point in the beta. Just because they don't limit themselves to one playstyle doesn't mean that they nothing about it. Breathed is better than depth right now.
I can Confirm that CPM Jenza has just done it all throughout most of the betas, she's low on appearance these days because she just got done moving countries, and well you know how international shipping is, takes a month for household goods to ship usually (by boat)
I play as an omni but I just started level 2ing all the equipment/weapons/suits/vehicles and only halfway through now. Core is almost maxed out but I was getting tired of waiting and getting progressing out of milita gear. |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:26:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:None of them are representative of the areas I mentioned and thats why we have the game of Dust 514 in its present state. Thinking that the CPM can sit there and shape the game to their every whim shows how little you understand what the CPM even does.
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2582
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:29:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience. Nah man, they were chosen because they hung around in IRC and brown nosed better than others and I believe right now they are telling CCP to hold off on letting the player base actually elect some CPM Yeah, because the mature and thoughtful nature of this community clearly indicates that democratic election would be the best process for selection of CPM members.
You guys realize you're shooting yourselves in the foot with this stuff, right? |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:29:00 -
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I was in closed beta and Iron Wolf Saber is the only one I trust to speak on my behalf everyone else is very one sided I have no idea how they picked those people tbh
EDIT: also they hung in the IRC they did brown nose a little lol |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:29:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience. Nah man, they were chosen because they hung around in IRC and brown nosed better than others and I believe right now they are telling CCP to hold off on letting the player base actually elect some CPM IRC is open to everyone, it's not like you need an invite. It's quite good to hang out there, you actually get to hang out and discuss stuff with them. If you want to get involved get involved, don't complain about being left out. |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:32:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience. Nah man, they were chosen because they hung around in IRC and brown nosed better than others and I believe right now they are telling CCP to hold off on letting the player base actually elect some CPM IRC is open to everyone, it's not like you need an invite. It's quite good to hang out there, you actually get to hang out and discuss stuff with them. If you want to get involved get involved, don't complain about being left out.
The IRC is and was not an "official" source
the devs never posted meaningful stuff on the forums in beta or now tbh
We shouldn't have to go to a third party to talk to devs and I made this statement a year ago |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
191
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:34:00 -
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So you would rather a bunch of MAG vets on CPM? Cus you know, that worked out well
I think ill stick with the eve guys for now... |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5304
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:35:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote:The IRC is and was not an "official" source
the devs never posted meaningful stuff on the forums in beta or now tbh
We shouldn't have to go to a third party to talk to devs and I made this statement a year ago I won't go to IRC because it's not worth sifting through 30 pages of off topic troll talk to possibly find a Dev having a meaningful conversation.
I really need to learn how to block people on there >_< |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6252
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:36:00 -
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I was also picked out from my forum posts and what other people had to say about me if you are all wondering. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2582
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:37:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:So you would rather a bunch of MAG vets on CPM? Cus you know, that worked out well I think ill stick with the eve guys for now... Again, does the fact that they play EVE really matter?
Like I said, we have, do, and will play other games.
Are you trying to say there should be a restriction against anyone that plays EVE being able to be on the CPM?
What is a Dust player decides he wants to play EVE?
Should we make a rule that no Dust player can be on the CSM? |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:39:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience. Nah man, they were chosen because they hung around in IRC and brown nosed better than others and I believe right now they are telling CCP to hold off on letting the player base actually elect some CPM Yeah, because the mature and thoughtful nature of this community clearly indicates that democratic election would be the best process for selection of CPM members. You guys realize you're shooting yourselves in the foot with this stuff, right?
Yeah, it totally wasnt having our feedback ignored, promises go unfulfilled, or the current CPM acting like CCPs yes men while trying to stay segregated from the community they were supposed to represent that pissed people off and turned this into a toxic environment, we were just all born this way
I think an election now could work but anyone elected would have to be closely monitored and possibly replaced, its not the sort of thing were you can just grab a handful of people and say this is it and leave it that way for months, if a person is not up to it then it will show as it is now with the community turning against them and replacing them in a timely manner would be much better than letting them sit and fester gathering ill will which is also transferred on to CCP |
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KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was also picked out from my forum posts and what other people had to say about me if you are all wondering.
I played with u and was always on the forums with u ik u would have been elected by us and ik ud have my vote but the others aren't as active |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2888
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was also picked out from my forum posts and what other people had to say about me if you are all wondering.
Go back to the war council was first announced and see who's name popped up first and most often.
now tell us how jenza got picked?
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KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:41:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was also picked out from my forum posts and what other people had to say about me if you are all wondering.
Go back to the war council was first announced and see who's name popped up first and most often. now tell us how jenza got picked?
getting on dust interviews telling secrets about closed beta -_- people said wow she must be important lol but tbh everyone seen closed in open beta since the game didn't change too much |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
75
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:43:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote: Yeah, it totally wasnt having our feedback ignored, promises go unfulfilled, or the current CPM acting like CCPs yes men while trying to stay segregated from the community they were supposed to represent that pissed people off and turned this into a toxic environment, we were just all born this way
I think an election now could work but anyone elected would have to be closely monitored and possibly replaced, its not the sort of thing were you can just grab a handful of people and say this is it and leave it that way for months, if a person is not up to it then it will show as it is now with the community turning against them and replacing them in a timely manner would be much better than letting them sit and fester gathering ill will which is also transferred on to CCP
Calling BS here. The community was toxic prior to the CPM appointment and continues to be. Keep in mind the age of the CPM and the time CCP takes to actually make turnarounds on feedback. The fact of the matter is that you have no clue what the CPM is saying behind closed doors and it time we all stopped pretending we did. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2888
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:44:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I was also picked out from my forum posts and what other people had to say about me if you are all wondering.
Go back to the war council was first announced and see who's name popped up first and most often. now tell us how jenza got picked? getting on dust interviews telling secrets about closed beta -_- people said wow she must be important lol but tbh everyone seen closed in open beta since the game didn't change too much
I wasn't trolling or hating on her. I see IWS posted the reasons why he was selected, and I nodded at his reply.
I know Jenza wasn't selected cuz of her posts... cuz there's not many. What other people had to say about her? Not many people have good things to say about her. Being honest, not trolling or hating. I've seen it here on the forums.
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
191
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:45:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:P14GU3 wrote:So you would rather a bunch of MAG vets on CPM? Cus you know, that worked out well I think ill stick with the eve guys for now... Again, does the fact that they play EVE really matter? Like I said, we have, do, and will play other games. Are you trying to say there should be a restriction against anyone that plays EVE being able to be on the CPM? What is a Dust player decides he wants to play EVE? Should we make a rule that no Dust player can be on the CSM? No what I am trying to say, is when the CPM was first appointed, it was mostly eve and mag vets here. OP apparently wishes there were fewer/0 EvE players, Which could have only meant more MAG vets on CPM.
Btw can't wait for CPM1.. maybe we can get the people you talked about.. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2582
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:46:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:Delta 749 wrote: Yeah, it totally wasnt having our feedback ignored, promises go unfulfilled, or the current CPM acting like CCPs yes men while trying to stay segregated from the community they were supposed to represent that pissed people off and turned this into a toxic environment, we were just all born this way
I think an election now could work but anyone elected would have to be closely monitored and possibly replaced, its not the sort of thing were you can just grab a handful of people and say this is it and leave it that way for months, if a person is not up to it then it will show as it is now with the community turning against them and replacing them in a timely manner would be much better than letting them sit and fester gathering ill will which is also transferred on to CCP
Calling BS here. The community was toxic prior to the CPM appointment and continues to be. Keep in mind the age of the CPM and the time CCP takes to actually make turnarounds on feedback. The fact of the matter is that you have no clue what the CPM is saying behind closed doors and it time we all stopped pretending we did. That's the point though. The fact that they aren't blogging every single thing they ever say to CCP is clear evidence of trying to hide that they just nod at everything CCP says and are trying to turn this game into an EVE clone.
Lack of constant information release = evil intent. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:46:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:The IRC is and was not an "official" source
the devs never posted meaningful stuff on the forums in beta or now tbh
We shouldn't have to go to a third party to talk to devs and I made this statement a year ago I won't go to IRC because it's not worth sifting through 30 pages of off topic troll talk to possibly find a Dev having a meaningful conversation. I really need to learn how to block people on there >_< IRC is actually pretty good, part trolling, part meaningful discussion of game mechanics and part chatting with the devs. And the deva tend to be slightly more talkative on irc precisely because it isn't an offical source. If they say something on here that later turns out to he incorrect they'll get upped and slammed in thread after thread (we've all seen it happen) if it's on irc so what? Without the logs (which nova refuses to share, at least he did last time I went on irc) what can you prove? they can say "well we're looking at something to do with this" they rarely provide details but it gives you hints if what's happening behind the scenes. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1965
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:49:00 -
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the Dust CPM guys were originally chosen to help set up a process for chosing CPMs, but I think at this point no one (CCP included) cares enough to actually do that.
Why bother to elect representation for a few thousand players, when most people who actually play the game are only doing so to grind SP in the hopes that some day in the future the game will be fun?
Heck, they'd probably have a hard time of finding another 12 people who want to actually spend the time being a CPM who wouldn't be relatively hostile towards them. The fanboy population is dwindling, and they already picked out the most obvious fanboys on their initial appointments. Might as well stick with them at this point. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1367
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:00:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:Delta 749 wrote: Yeah, it totally wasnt having our feedback ignored, promises go unfulfilled, or the current CPM acting like CCPs yes men while trying to stay segregated from the community they were supposed to represent that pissed people off and turned this into a toxic environment, we were just all born this way
I think an election now could work but anyone elected would have to be closely monitored and possibly replaced, its not the sort of thing were you can just grab a handful of people and say this is it and leave it that way for months, if a person is not up to it then it will show as it is now with the community turning against them and replacing them in a timely manner would be much better than letting them sit and fester gathering ill will which is also transferred on to CCP
Calling BS here. The community was toxic prior to the CPM appointment and continues to be. Keep in mind the age of the CPM and the time CCP takes to actually make turnarounds on feedback. The fact of the matter is that you have no clue what the CPM is saying behind closed doors and it time we all stopped pretending we did. That's the point though. The fact that they aren't blogging every single thing they ever say to CCP is clear evidence of trying to hide that they just nod at everything CCP says and are trying to turn this game into an EVE clone. Lack of constant information release = evil intent.
Gonna address both of you in this one since its just a bit easier that way
While their appointment may not be the root cause their actions or lack thereof have just exacerbated the toxicity in the community and no one Ive seen is asking for constant updates they just want to know they are being heard or that their concerns are being noted
Lets use IWS as an example since hes actually around, when he shows up and sounds like a CCP shill giving people more of the same crap they have been hearing for months they turn on him more and make snarky replies but when he actually has something to say or hell even when he says "Ill talk to them about it" peoples reaction to him is like night and day which shows the community isnt completely poisoned yet and if there were more people willing to put in the time and effort and actually be open about at the very least what issues they were going to talk to CCP about and not just brush them off to the council board then I think we would see a turnaround in the community albeit a slow one Bah, Im getting all run on sentency again |
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