DUST Search - Why no Dust 514 CPM??

Delta 749 wrote:

Gonna address both of you in this one since its just a bit easier that way

While their appointment may not be the root cause their actions or lack thereof have just exacerbated the toxicity in the community and no one Ive seen is asking for constant updates they just want to know they are being heard or that their concerns are being noted

Lets use IWS as an example since hes actually around, when he shows up and sounds like a CCP shill giving people more of the same crap they have been hearing for months they turn on him more and make snarky replies but when he actually has something to say or hell even when he says "Ill talk to them about it" peoples reaction to him is like night and day which shows the community isnt completely poisoned yet and if there were more people willing to put in the time and effort and actually be open about at the very least what issues they were going to talk to CCP about and not just brush them off to the council board then I think we would see a turnaround in the community albeit a slow one
Bah, Im getting all run on sentency again


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Promethius Franklin DUST University Ivy League 74	Posted - 2013.07.19 20:11:00 - [1] - Quote Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience.
Promethius Franklin DUST University Ivy League 74	Posted - 2013.07.19 20:24:00 - [2] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Promethius Franklin wrote: Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience. Nah man, they were chosen because they hung around in IRC and brown nosed better than others and I believe right now they are telling CCP to hold off on letting the player base actually elect some CPM So vitrol aside they were chosen because they involved themselves with the dust developers. Not seeing an issue there Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: None of them are representative of the areas I mentioned and thats why we have the game of Dust 514 in its present state. Proof? Unless you are on the CPM you can't really see what the CPM advocates. Also the CPM cannot bear primary blame for the state of the game when they basically came into existence a few months ago. I doubt they even had much if any time to give real preventative feedback on half the issues introduced since Uprising launched. I mean, if you inherit crap, chances are you have a long road of work before it's not crap anymore and that assumes everyone is working with you.
Promethius Franklin DUST University Ivy League 75	Posted - 2013.07.19 20:43:00 - [3] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Yeah, it totally wasnt having our feedback ignored, promises go unfulfilled, or the current CPM acting like CCPs yes men while trying to stay segregated from the community they were supposed to represent that pissed people off and turned this into a toxic environment, we were just all born this way I think an election now could work but anyone elected would have to be closely monitored and possibly replaced, its not the sort of thing were you can just grab a handful of people and say this is it and leave it that way for months, if a person is not up to it then it will show as it is now with the community turning against them and replacing them in a timely manner would be much better than letting them sit and fester gathering ill will which is also transferred on to CCP Calling BS here. The community was toxic prior to the CPM appointment and continues to be. Keep in mind the age of the CPM and the time CCP takes to actually make turnarounds on feedback. The fact of the matter is that you have no clue what the CPM is saying behind closed doors and it time we all stopped pretending we did.
Promethius Franklin DUST University Ivy League 77	Posted - 2013.07.19 21:14:00 - [4] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Gonna address both of you in this one since its just a bit easier that way While their appointment may not be the root cause their actions or lack thereof have just exacerbated the toxicity in the community and no one Ive seen is asking for constant updates they just want to know they are being heard or that their concerns are being noted Lets use IWS as an example since hes actually around, when he shows up and sounds like a CCP shill giving people more of the same crap they have been hearing for months they turn on him more and make snarky replies but when he actually has something to say or hell even when he says "Ill talk to them about it" peoples reaction to him is like night and day which shows the community isnt completely poisoned yet and if there were more people willing to put in the time and effort and actually be open about at the very least what issues they were going to talk to CCP about and not just brush them off to the council board then I think we would see a turnaround in the community albeit a slow one Bah, Im getting all run on sentency again They (or some of them rather) have been doing the things you have said. What they haven't been doing is replying to each and every iteration of the same complaint in a new thread. I don't expect that either. Look at GD. I mean really look at it. It's endless repetitions of the same concerns most of which do have a CPM or CCP response that something is in the works, but the issue is the same, people demand it now, they demand it be prioritized over all the other concerns, and they demand constant, unnecessary feedback just to reaffirm what is already out there. What we really need isn't more from the CPM telling us they have relayed our concerns, it's return from CCP that we need. Without that the paradigm of BS will only change from "The CPM don't represent us" to "The CPM is useless cause CCP doesn't listen" if it's just the CPM giving us feedback. We need more concrete CCP plans and more Dev blogs about changes to balance and basic mechanics and we need them sooner. The CPM cannot control that directly.