Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience.

Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience.

Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience.

None of them are representative of the areas I mentioned and thats why we have the game of Dust 514 in its present state.

Nah man, they were chosen because they hung around in IRC and brown nosed better than others and I believe right now they are telling CCP to hold off on letting the player base actually elect some CPM

None of them are representative of the areas I mentioned and thats why we have the game of Dust 514 in its present state.

Tech that's a rather bizarre view, and a rather poor one. I'm willing to bet that most of the CPM have tried out those roles at some point in the beta. Just because they don't limit themselves to one playstyle doesn't mean that they nothing about it. Breathed is better than depth right now.

None of them are representative of the areas I mentioned and thats why we have the game of Dust 514 in its present state.

Nah man, they were chosen because they hung around in IRC and brown nosed better than others and I believe right now they are telling CCP to hold off on letting the player base actually elect some CPM

Nah man, they were chosen because they hung around in IRC and brown nosed better than others and I believe right now they are telling CCP to hold off on letting the player base actually elect some CPM

IRC is open to everyone, it's not like you need an invite. It's quite good to hang out there, you actually get to hang out and discuss stuff with them. If you want to get involved get involved, don't complain about being left out.

The IRC is and was not an "official" source

the devs never posted meaningful stuff on the forums in beta or now tbh

We shouldn't have to go to a third party to talk to devs and I made this statement a year ago

So you would rather a bunch of MAG vets on CPM? Cus you know, that worked out well

I think ill stick with the eve guys for now...

Yeah, because the mature and thoughtful nature of this community clearly indicates that democratic election would be the best process for selection of CPM members.

You guys realize you're shooting yourselves in the foot with this stuff, right?

I was also picked out from my forum posts and what other people had to say about me if you are all wondering.

I was also picked out from my forum posts and what other people had to say about me if you are all wondering.

Go back to the war council was first announced and see who's name popped up first and most often.

now tell us how jenza got picked?

Yeah, it totally wasnt having our feedback ignored, promises go unfulfilled, or the current CPM acting like CCPs yes men while trying to stay segregated from the community they were supposed to represent that pissed people off and turned this into a toxic environment, we were just all born this way

I think an election now could work but anyone elected would have to be closely monitored and possibly replaced, its not the sort of thing were you can just grab a handful of people and say this is it and leave it that way for months, if a person is not up to it then it will show as it is now with the community turning against them and replacing them in a timely manner would be much better than letting them sit and fester gathering ill will which is also transferred on to CCP

getting on dust interviews telling secrets about closed beta -_- people said wow she must be important lol but tbh everyone seen closed in open beta since the game didn't change too much

Again, does the fact that they play EVE really matter?

Like I said, we have, do, and will play other games.

Are you trying to say there should be a restriction against anyone that plays EVE being able to be on the CPM?

What is a Dust player decides he wants to play EVE?

Should we make a rule that no Dust player can be on the CSM?

Calling BS here. The community was toxic prior to the CPM appointment and continues to be. Keep in mind the age of the CPM and the time CCP takes to actually make turnarounds on feedback. The fact of the matter is that you have no clue what the CPM is saying behind closed doors and it time we all stopped pretending we did.

I won't go to IRC because it's not worth sifting through 30 pages of off topic troll talk to possibly find a Dev having a meaningful conversation.

I really need to learn how to block people on there >_<

That's the point though. The fact that they aren't blogging every single thing they ever say to CCP is clear evidence of trying to hide that they just nod at everything CCP says and are trying to turn this game into an EVE clone.

Lack of constant information release = evil intent.

the Dust CPM guys were originally chosen to help set up a process for chosing CPMs, but I think at this point no one (CCP included) cares enough to actually do that.

Why bother to elect representation for a few thousand players, when most people who actually play the game are only doing so to grind SP in the hopes that some day in the future the game will be fun?

Heck, they'd probably have a hard time of finding another 12 people who want to actually spend the time being a CPM who wouldn't be relatively hostile towards them. The fanboy population is dwindling, and they already picked out the most obvious fanboys on their initial appointments. Might as well stick with them at this point.

Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience.

Gonna address both of you in this one since its just a bit easier that way

While their appointment may not be the root cause their actions or lack thereof have just exacerbated the toxicity in the community and no one Ive seen is asking for constant updates they just want to know they are being heard or that their concerns are being noted

Lets use IWS as an example since hes actually around, when he shows up and sounds like a CCP shill giving people more of the same crap they have been hearing for months they turn on him more and make snarky replies but when he actually has something to say or hell even when he says "Ill talk to them about it" peoples reaction to him is like night and day which shows the community isnt completely poisoned yet and if there were more people willing to put in the time and effort and actually be open about at the very least what issues they were going to talk to CCP about and not just brush them off to the council board then I think we would see a turnaround in the community albeit a slow one
Bah, Im getting all run on sentency again

now tell us how jenza got picked?

So you would rather a bunch of MAG vets on CPM? Cus you know, that worked out well

I think ill stick with the eve guys for now...

The most vocal people about what the CPM should be rarely have any idea of the reality of what it can be or what would make a constructive and productive CPM. Tech, I'm afraid you're one of these people.

Having 'specialists' on the CPM would only create a situation where everyone can only provide helpful input on <10% of the game's issues. We need CPM members to represent everyone, not just their own speciality portion of of the playerbase. We need people who look at the big picture and take into account every view they can gather and balance between individual's opinions and what's good for the game.

However, all this aside, CPM0 was and continues to be most important for one sole purpose - setting up the CPM <-> CCP relationship. The fact that all of CPM0 have experience on Eve (Hans as a previous CSM) means they have a decent understanding of the issues that have dogged the CSM for many years and that they understand what is required to get a similar set up sorted for the CPM to become functional much quicker. If we'd had only pure Dust 514 players on CPM0, none of them would have had a clue what they were doing and the relationship with CCP would have taken forever to get functional. I highly suggest reading Hans' CPM reports for more information on how difficult this whole set up process is:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=915156#post915156

Feedback on a role that folks either do not play or just barely touched is bad feedback.


A specialist mechanic with hundreds of tools or one generalist mechanic whose only tools are vicegrips a screwdriver and a rock.

Who is going to fix the vehicle better?

You think you guys have it hard, I got an NDA to follow that keeps harassing my sensibilities of informing you guys of what is happening.

The CPM we have now are from EVE and not DUST 514.
We have no representation as far as DUST 514.

Dust 514 needs representation to obtain balance.

Wheres the Dust 514 ASSAULT CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 SCOUT CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 LOGISTICS CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 HEAVY CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 DROPSHIP CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 TANK CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 LAV CPM?
Nothing.






Anywho shakes head and fondly looks at PS4 pre-order as another week is passed by on the way to November.
Continues playing Fallout 3.

You think you guys have it hard, I got an NDA to follow that keeps harassing my sensibilities of informing you guys of what is happening.

The CPM we have now are from EVE and not DUST 514.
We have no representation as far as DUST 514.

Dust 514 needs representation to obtain balance.

Wheres the Dust 514 ASSAULT CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 SCOUT CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 LOGISTICS CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 HEAVY CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 DROPSHIP CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 TANK CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 LAV CPM?
Nothing.






Anywho shakes head and fondly looks at PS4 pre-order as another week is passed by on the way to November.
Continues playing Fallout 3.

What happened is back in 2012 I asked if CCP was going to only do one new content update per year for Dust 514 and it got locked.

I asked about diminishing player numbers with the idea of trying to post some fixes to this to try and increase player numbers and it got locked.

I.e. I asked about a private testing before dropping the update on the general populance and it got locked.

So what I get from this is trying to post about fixes is going nowhere so with all due respect pardon me if I keep looking at my PS4 pre-order.

Funny thing about the selected members, only 1 member among them played PC longer than 2 weeks.

So the "competitive" scene, is not even represented. PC is suppose to be what gives this game its long life? Which CPM is actively involved in it?

PC is dead right now. The competitive scene is almost dead. Fight Club is the only thing left. So while CCP focuses on core gameplay (god knows what the closed beta was for) the game is slowly dying cuz there's no real content in coming.

Heavies still have 1 suit, scouts still have 2, the gun balance is still laughable, the suit bonuses are a joke and won't be fixed anytime soon, shields still poop all over armor, DS are a joke, tanks are a joke, LAV's are a joke.

Simple things that people think can be fixed easily, takes too long to fix, and why? Cuz CCP is focusing on core gameplay, something that should have been nailed in closed beta, instead got royally screwed in Uprising.

Electing CPM members ourselves will do nothing to fix this, and CCP knows this.

Current plan is monthly releases. 1.3 is the follow up to that new pace, 1.4 is the first serious beef in the new mind set.

Better than one new content release and one stability fix per year.

Player numbers and fixing those is a multiple faucet of a problem stemming from every aspect of Dust 514, and everything has to get readdressed now which is the major focus of the next 5 months.

PvE and match makeing fixing required.

Testing Servers are a logistical problem for both Sony and CCP to solve and figure out, after all these things cost ALOT of money, such as test client deployment on the PSN store is still rather expensive, bandwidth isn't free nor is storage space.

Single small server closed beta testing for small test number before general populance release of new content updates.
Bandwith costs for 200 users is too costly???

When CCP feels comfortable sharing their PS4 plans they will.

Sadly there are many PS4 games that are competing with whatever CCP will have on offer by then.
Its better to build a following now then to wait until much later.

Finally you may have to check your posting habits, tone, and number of other things. Thread Locks are usually at the fault of the OP.

I talk to the CPM most days of the week, and read their (very) long discussions on all manner of dust related topics from weapon balance to high level meta gaming.

It really is quite valuable to have access to invested players to throw ideas off and sanity check stuff before releasing it out to a wider audience. They also do bother the community team and devs an awful lot about getting you guys more information so you should definitely thank them for that. It's a tough gig because they do a bunch of work which other players never get to see and appreciate.

Can we hear from Blam!? A simple "Hi" will be enough for me!

The CPM we have now are from EVE and not DUST 514.
We have no representation as far as DUST 514.

Dust 514 needs representation to obtain balance.

Wheres the Dust 514 ASSAULT CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 SCOUT CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 LOGISTICS CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 HEAVY CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 DROPSHIP CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 TANK CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 LAV CPM?
Nothing.






Anywho shakes head and fondly looks at PS4 pre-order as another week is passed by on the way to November.
Continues playing Fallout 3.

I talk to the CPM most days of the week, and read their (very) long discussions on all manner of dust related topics from weapon balance to high level meta gaming.

It really is quite valuable to have access to invested players to throw ideas off and sanity check stuff before releasing it out to a wider audience. They also do bother the community team and devs an awful lot about getting you guys more information so you should definitely thank them for that. It's a tough gig because they do a bunch of work which other players never get to see and appreciate.

I talk to the CPM most days of the week, and read their (very) long discussions on all manner of dust related topics from weapon balance to high level meta gaming.

It really is quite valuable to have access to invested players to throw ideas off and sanity check stuff before releasing it out to a wider audience. They also do bother the community team and devs an awful lot about getting you guys more information so you should definitely thank them for that. It's a tough gig because they do a bunch of work which other players never get to see and appreciate.

I talk to the CPM most days of the week, and read their (very) long discussions on all manner of dust related topics from weapon balance to high level meta gaming.

It really is quite valuable to have access to invested players to throw ideas off and sanity check stuff before releasing it out to a wider audience. They also do bother the community team and devs an awful lot about getting you guys more information so you should definitely thank them for that. It's a tough gig because they do a bunch of work which other players never get to see and appreciate.

That is good.

But more CPM involvement is needed i.e. the only CPM we see regularly is IWS.

A newbie area is needed i.e. a PvE where newbies can shoot drones for minerals and trade them in for SP.

PC needs more meaning besides clone counts i.e. the more districts held the larger a Mall area where there are shops with Faction Warfare items for sale/trade.

The more things to do then the larger the player base and the higher the % of player retention numbers.


Thank you for reading this.

That is good.

But more CPM involvement is needed i.e. the only CPM we see regularly is IWS.

A newbie area is needed i.e. a PvE where newbies can shoot drones for minerals and trade them in for SP.

PC needs more meaning besides clone counts i.e. the more districts held the larger a Mall area where there are shops with Faction Warfare items for sale/trade.

The more things to do then the larger the player base and the higher the % of player retention numbers.


Thank you for reading this.

I talk to the CPM most days of the week, and read their (very) long discussions on all manner of dust related topics from weapon balance to high level meta gaming.

It really is quite valuable to have access to invested players to throw ideas off and sanity check stuff before releasing it out to a wider audience. They also do bother the community team and devs an awful lot about getting you guys more information so you should definitely thank them for that. It's a tough gig because they do a bunch of work which other players never get to see and appreciate.

I was also picked out from my forum posts and what other people had to say about me if you are all wondering.

Go back to the war council was first announced and see who's name popped up first and most often.

What happens if you break the NDA?
Do you get banned?
Prosecuted?
Hunted down, made a fool of, then have hundreds of embarrassing photos plastered all over the interwebs?

What happens if you break the NDA?
Do you get banned?
Prosecuted?
Hunted down, made a fool of, then have hundreds of embarrassing photos plastered all over the interwebs?

Its a pity they are not providing valuable feedback. If you guys tell me they are then what - CCP doesn't listen?

"I know guys! Great idea - Lets remove free LAV`s and not focus on the actual problem of collision damage and or hit point levels!"
* Yeaaaaa whoohooo cheers all round! * /sarcasm

Rule one of the NDA is you don't talk about the NDA.

Anyway, I think the second point is pretty much true if you talk about something and it will make CCP cost money in the process.

They announced a vehicle balance pass and revamped collision damage for 1.4

They are listening, just need to know where to look =)

(hence if you run fast enough you can actually commit suicide by slamming into a wall really hard.

Can we hear from Blam!? A simple "Hi" will be enough for me!

The CPM we have now are from EVE and not DUST 514.
We have no representation as far as DUST 514.

Dust 514 needs representation to obtain balance.

Wheres the Dust 514 ASSAULT CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 SCOUT CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 LOGISTICS CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 HEAVY CPM?
me.

Wheres the Dust 514 DROPSHIP CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 TANK CPM?
Nothing.

Wheres the Dust 514 LAV CPM?
Nothing.






Anywho shakes head and fondly looks at PS4 pre-order as another week is passed by on the way to November.
Continues playing Fallout 3.

I talk to the CPM most days of the week, and read their (very) long discussions on all manner of dust related topics from weapon balance to high level meta gaming.

It really is quite valuable to have access to invested players to throw ideas off and sanity check stuff before releasing it out to a wider audience. They also do bother the community team and devs an awful lot about getting you guys more information so you should definitely thank them for that. It's a tough gig because they do a bunch of work which other players never get to see and appreciate.

Any word on this, then?

My wallet is still completely closed to you, until this is addressed. As a matter of principle, I won't pay for products that are overpriced for some people just because of the country they happen to live in (and not, for example, because of a relevant tax).

Edit: I should point out (in case you check my history) that I have made purchases, but that has stopped completely since I decided I should return to my principles.

Your source on this info? I was under the impression that the CPM was chosen for their dust specific play and feedback over the course of the closed beta, save Hans who I would say in addition was a good choice for his CSM experience.

Can we hear from Blam!? A simple "Hi" will be enough for me!

Blam was let go

Any word on this, then?

My wallet is still completely closed to you, until this is addressed. As a matter of principle, I won't pay for products that are overpriced for some people just because of the country they happen to live in (and not, for example, because of a relevant tax).

Edit: I should point out (in case you check my history) that I have made purchases, but that has stopped completely since I decided I should return to my principles.

(hence if you run fast enough you can actually commit suicide by slamming into a wall really hard.

Hey IWS when can I aim again?

Yay, more posts without sources.

Care to post a source for that tidbit?

You realize that that's largely affected by the cut that Sony takes differing based on region and currency, right?

Pay for linkedin check out CCP know blams real name, Check employment.

Go confirm, I already know.

I do, actually, realise that it's because of Sony's greed, or perhaps a relic from when the currency difference was much higher. If you check out the threads on this topic (the one linked, and another linked from it), you will realise that I realise these things.

It is not, however, for any good or legitimate reason. It is not, for example, the product of current differing currency values, or local taxes, or anything like that. Ideally, Sony should charge us in USD if it's so important that they get precisely a particular USD amount from the sale.

I do also realise that CCP *might* not have the power to change Sony's pricing. Fine. That doesn't mean CCP can't do other things. If CCP wants me to spend more money on Dust, then they will need to look into this. As it stands, I don't like the insult of being told, "Hey, you're an Aussie? Here you go, pay anywhere from 50% to 100% more than anyone else has to".

Some companies do this on Steam, and I won't buy their games. Valve manages to sell its games for the same price to Aussies as the rest of the world, but certain notable examples do not. For example, the current football manager is $40 for aussies, and $20 for Americans/Canadians. When it first came out that was $40 for the US, and $80 for aussies! That is, $80 USD, not in AUD. So it's not even a currency thing. The amount that they receive is a full 100% more of the price in USD.

So thankyou for your comment, but I'm not sure you understand the situation.

I'm just curious who's idea it was to break the suits to fix an issue which could have been better done in other ways?

Having played since Closed Beta, Playing scout roles, Logi roles, Heavy and assault, the Cal Logi was actually balanced until 1.3 roles out.

While it has been choice for Logiassaults, there are easier ways to fix that issue or to bring it better in line with it's role. Instead 2 suits were further broken. Wouldn't it make more sense to fix broken suits than to break fixed ones?

I realize some of the "fix" was done to curb the QQ fest done in forums, but catering to those who have never filled the role, nor know what they are talking about hurts those of us who play multiple roles and have the experience.

If this is something I need to get on IRC to talk to someone about, then so be it, but I honestly think while this will please some, this will displease just as many. 1.3 is a bad idea.

As for the australian price hike I agree its a culmination of, culture, government, and cultivation.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/11/why-do-videogames-cost-so-much/ digs into better than I could.

Also to further who to question is that CCP sets the prices but the PSN and associates are responsible for distribution of the good including pricing elsewhere.

Well I wouldn't know who to blame in the AZ overpricing I just wished the games where fairer priced for you guys down under. Bunch of nicefolks and also plenty of nice women that are Blonde, tall and real curvy really last time I visited.

Not 1.3

1.4 is looking very good but no promises, the system should be finished testing.

As for the australian price hike I agree its a culmination of, culture, government, and cultivation.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/11/why-do-videogames-cost-so-much/ digs into better than I could.

Also to further who to question is that CCP sets the prices but the PSN and associates are responsible for distribution of the good including pricing elsewhere.

You've got to be kidding me.

What should have been a super priority one emergency update within the first two weeks of uprising has been stretched out three months, and now you're saying possibly 4?

I'm patient but even Buddha would flip a ******* table at this.

Its looking like maybe 1.5.....sigh.

Vote Regnum and together we will but the FPS before the MMO

I was also picked out from my forum posts and what other people had to say about me if you are all wondering.

Go back to the war council was first announced and see who's name popped up first and most often.

IWS is the only council guy that I ever even see post on these forums. The rest of them jokers dont even pop by to say hi. I say get all of the jokers out of office. Absolute Farce!

IWS is the only council guy that I ever even see post on these forums. The rest of them jokers dont even pop by to say hi. I say get all of the jokers out of office. Absolute Farce!

there are good cpm/csm and there are bad cpm/csm. at the end of the day though someone has to go first. ccp took some who had the biggest voice with the community at the time of selection and some with experience with the csm who also played dust to form the groundwork for future cpm's. sounds like a good place to start off with if you ask me, or would you rather they just picked a bunch of randoms from everyone who plays dust!!!

I'd rather they worked with people who play fps games on the ps3 beforehand. Mavado, Regnum, hell even Jumpman or Contrabanjo would have been better than the great representation we see from the pc elite EVE crowd. I though the point was to draw an audience not already in Eve to not canabalize the same player count?

So you're saying they should have arrogant trolls as CPM.

Well, sorry, Mavado isn't a troll, and I don't now a lot about Contrabanjo, but Regnum or Protoman for CPM?

Nope.

I'd rather they worked with people who play fps games on the ps3 beforehand. Mavado, Regnum, hell even Jumpman or Contrabanjo would have been better than the great representation we see from the pc elite EVE crowd. I though the point was to draw an audience not already in Eve to not canabalize the same player count?