Aside from heavy weapons, every suit in the game can use any weapon or any module as long as you skill into it and have the CPU/PG to fit it all. We already have the freedom to do what we wish with our dropsuits. The problem is that you have people trying to tell you how you should play or cry nerf when they think something is OP without being specific. Remember all those nerf all the logi topics when all this started? My number one question I always asked was how are all logis OP? Half of them couldn't answer because it was all about painting things with a broad yellow brush.

So out of the 16 guys on your team you want 8 of them to be logis? If less, it's secondary. Give me your answer please.

EDIT: Well ok there are heavies and scouts too, so 8 logis, 8 assaults is a fallacy, but my point is...don't you want there to be more combat guys on the field than support guys? Yes. That's because the combat role is primary. Guess what that makes support?

???

the suit decides what you can and cant do - try fitting stuff on a scout.

Your noobness shows if you truly believe logistics are a secondary role.

Find one corporation that doesn't consider logistics (true logis) as an absolutely essential role in a PC battle.

So out of the 16 guys on your team you want 8 of them to be logis? If less, it's secondary. Give me your answer please.

EDIT: Well ok there are heavies and scouts too, so 8 logis, 8 assaults is a fallacy, but my point is...don't you want there to be more combat guys on the field than support guys? Yes. That's because the combat role is primary. Guess what that makes support?

You'd be hard pressed to find even one pure support logi in PC by request, let alone in high demand.

Been throwing this idea around lately...
No damage mods on logis
Make equipment a requirement
Make equipment metal level = or > weapon meta level

This means no pro gun without pro equipment unless you completely sacrifice tank.
This makes logis high armored roles based on support just like the logi dropship, which has more life but less damage with turrets
(no damage mods or pro gun unless you sacrifice big tank)

Thoughts?

Well no **** there's going to be more combat focused roles on the field compared to support. But that does not in ANY way take away from the importance of support roles on the field. Generally your heavies and logistics are designated for point defense while a Hacking logi rolls with the mobile assault squad.

If you ever spend time in PC battles and debating the tactics therein you will quickly see their importance.

No such thing as pure support.
Got an assault rifle?
You can be an assault, even if all you equipment is for support.

No such thing as pure support.
Got an assault rifle?
You can be an assault, even if all you equipment is for support.

You'd be hard pressed to find even one pure support logi in PC by request, let alone in high demand.

I'd have to disagree, I have a couple logistics in corp that on multiple occasions have proven so effective in PC battles that we've been offered millions to trade them to other corps within the alliance. They are requested by name when battles come up, simply because they are dedicated SOLELY to support.

Why is this a core assumption of balance? Let's look at other popular titles -

Planteside 2 - Medic has exclusive access to the best ARs
Battlefield - Medics oscillate from HMGs to ARs between games
MAG - Medic tool was mandatory for all competent fits

vs

TF2 - Medics can do nothing but heal (very tactical healing system in exchange)

So what does DUST gain by making logistics suits unattractive to slayers? What might it be losing?

But CCP is actively trying to change this.


The question is: Is this a good design goal? Why or why not?

You'd be hard pressed to find even one pure support logi in PC by request, let alone in high demand.

Why is this a core assumption of balance? Let's look at other popular titles -

Planteside 2 - Medic has exclusive access to the best ARs
Battlefield - Medics oscillate from HMGs to ARs between games
MAG - Medic tool was mandatory for all competent fits

vs

TF2 - Medics can do nothing but heal (very tactical healing system in exchange)

So what does DUST gain by making logistics suits unattractive to slayers? What might it be losing?

bf3 is a kids game...they gave the medic the best guns so people would want to play medic..that did not work...now every one plays the med class just to run around with an m16 or an aek....im not sure about ps2....now in mag you needed the med tool but it took up a lot of space...so alot of times you could not use the gun you wanted or you could not equip the amount of armor you wanted...i think dust should be the same way...a medics job is to repair and rearm his comrades.. taking down the enemy comes second..

bf3 is a kids game...they gave the medic the best guns so people would want to play medic..that did not work...now every one plays the med class just to run around with an m16 or an aek....im not sure about ps2....now in mag you needed the med tool but it took up a lot of space...so alot of times you could not use the gun you wanted or you could not equip the amount of armor you wanted...i think dust should be the same way...a medics job is to repair and rearm his comrades.. taking down the enemy comes second..

I'm not saying they shouldn't be slayers.
I'm saying they shouldn't be as effective at it as the class desgined to be a slayer, while still retaining the verastility that having 4 equipment slots brings >_>

I'm not saying they shouldn't be slayers.
I'm saying they shouldn't be as effective at it as the class desgined to be a slayer, while still retaining the verastility that having 4 equipment slots brings >_>

I don't have any interest in EVE, lore or anything even vaguely related to it fyi.

All assault suits should get a 3% per level ALL weapon type dmg bonus as its universal bonus across the races then racial bonuses can be either bonuses to primary tank (based on the slot variety) or the racial frames can vary based on a +1 module that can be either an extra equipment, nade or perhaps even weapon slot.

Point is there needs to be better incentives in the assault suits then trying to nerf out the logi suits. The high number of modules are needed because as people have pointed out LOGISTICS suits have other functions besides being equipment whores.

Those slots allow for cpu/pg adjustments if needed as well as using other modules such as codebreakers and passive scan mods. The biotic mods allows for great deal of flexibility that gets the logistics class around the field to setup any equpment they are carrying or harass behind enemy lines.

Point is logistics suits are supposed to be the most varaible class, this has been the design intention since the beginning as evidence from the early dev vlogs.

But the most important thing is assault suits are a joke and they are the class that need better bonuses and thought. A reload bonus is arguably the most useless bonus on that class given that no amount of reload speed can shorten the animation down faster then what it takes to switch to a sidearm.

I just saying ... A "medic" will be an Assault with an injector or a Repair tool. Logistics are more a "Doctor" than a medic, or even a "mechanic" ... considering that clones are not really alive in the 1st place.

You are a ******* idiot and I'm tired hearing your bullshit.

Even after the nerf you want more. **** you.

Shut up

Any self respecting logi already does this and runs support in their own way. For example, I use my speed and hacking bonus to run distraction while laying out uplinks, repair hives, and mines in strategic positions depending on the map while abusing the active scanner. I usually don't get any more than 10~15 kills and net 1200~1800 WP through simple field control. If there are more armor tankers or heavies, I might focus on repair tools and an injector while staying with my squad to keep them in the fight while laying covering fire. There's no wrong way to play logistics, but I think it's wrong that people think they should tell others how they should play. We already had this kind of elitism in EVE at one point, and hope it's something that doesn't translate to Dust.