I have a feeling you went logi because you know there is no point in being assault...

I am NOT saying you shouldn't be able to engage someone in combat.
I'm saying you SHOULD NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE AS THE GUY WITH THE SUIT DESIGNED TO DO JUST THAT!
Simple!
You give up some of the power to be extremely versatile!

Give me a reason to go assault.

I have a feeling you went logi because you know there is no point in being assault...

I am NOT saying you shouldn't be able to engage someone in combat.
I'm saying you SHOULD NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE AS THE GUY WITH THE SUIT DESIGNED TO DO JUST THAT!
Simple!
You give up some of the power to be extremely versatile!

Give me a reason to go assault.

Yeah, what is wrong with the Assault suit anyway ? I use it all the time and is fine... You can even be an Assault Medic if you want too, just equip an Injector.

I went logi because I was bored with assault, and I usually gravitate towards healing/support classes. Oh, and this was back in Chromosome when there was only one logi suit, the exact same one that I'm using now that didn't change much outside of a shield nerf and a hacking bonus...

I didn't pay much attention to logi suits in chromosome, I don't believe you had more module slots than assaults, did ya?

New Eden is harsh, that's why. It's a universe unlike no other.

Always did from each suit tier. The only difference between now and then is that they got rid of the Type 2, B-Series, and VK1 which were faster at the cost of equipment slots, nerfed the shields, added a minor speed buff, and put the hacking bonus on a per level basis instead of what suit tier.

Indeed, empty like no other.

WTF do you want logis to do? Follow heavies around all battle with a repair tool out? Be a pack mule for the squad? Try to revive you when we're all surrounded by reds? Jesus, it's a FPS where we all run around with guns, there's no Geneva Convention. If someone shoots at me, I'm going to shoot back and pick up any dead blueberries on the way. Sidearm, no sidearm, less speed, more speed. A suit is just a suit, it's the player that uses the suit that defines it. If my squad is stocked up, nobody is bleeding out, or nobody needs reps, I'm going to bust a cap in someone's ass because what the hell else are you supposed to do in a game where you hold guns in a first person view?

Cry cry cry, Logibros shouldn't be on the front lines being killing machines plain and simple. You guys cry about balence and things being OP. When there is a step in the right direction your panties get all bunched up. Think about this for a second where is the balance if a logi suit can kill better than an assault and tank better than a heavy with the added advantage of equipment slots? You guys just to need to get over your "god-suit" being nerfed a tad bit. Learn to work with your teammates. Its only going to get worse for you "one man army" types. Can't wait for the flaylock nerf and all the people crying about a little balance. I for one am glad they are choosing to nerf the logis and am excited about the equipment bonuses that are coming. Dust is constantly going to be changing, demanding new tatics. It's only the people that can't evolve and adapt to change that cry so much about every little change. If you don't like change in a FPS there is a game for you COD.

And until they take away your light weapon slot you'll still be able to do exactly that! You just won't be doing it with more tank than ANY other Med suit.

For fucks sake people you all act as if you've just been told they're removing your light weapon slot.

And until they take away your light weapon slot you'll still be able to do exactly that! You just won't be doing it with more tank than ANY other Med suit.

For fucks sake people you all act as if you've just been told they're removing your light weapon slot.

It would be a logical next move if people still use logis over assaults no?

I'm a Minmatar logi, I never had more tank than any other suit. Hell, I hybrid tank with ~450HP and fast regen. Everyone is so obsessed with buffer tanking that nobody knows what the hell a shield regulator does. Also, if you noticed in the dev blog, only the CaLogi and ALogi are being changed. The shield recharge delay came out of left field, but it's kind of meh since I know what a shield regulator does.

So if your chosen suit is already balanced and therefore not seeing any changes then why are you here bitching?

I think that the freedom to do as you wish with your dropsuit has been slightly robbed...

Because people think that none of the suits (excluding CaLogi) are balanced. Check my post history, I've been defending logibros since all this drama started. Last thing I wanted to do was log in one day to find out that all my fittings are invalid because I can only use sidearms because everyone thought yellow = OP and CCP decided to give the squeaky wheel the grease.

Why is this a core assumption of balance? Let's look at other popular titles -

Planteside 2 - Medic has exclusive access to the best ARs
Battlefield - Medics oscillate from HMGs to ARs between games
MAG - Medic tool was mandatory for all competent fits

vs

TF2 - Medics can do nothing but heal (very tactical healing system in exchange)

So what does DUST gain by making logistics suits unattractive to slayers? What might it be losing?

If you want this outcome then there shouldnt be classes.

to do what you want there should be a single frame and you skill into different types of slots and fill the frame with the slots you want - mix and match. Am ok with this but then we shoudlnt pretend there are classes in this game

But CCP is actively trying to change this.


The question is: Is this a good design goal? Why or why not?

Quite an assumption you make there. Or have you read the minds of all invested in this game?

I personally feel that with these changes Scout's are the only one's in dire need of attention. Other than that most frames/roles are pretty well balanced.

I highly doubt you will EVER see logis restricted to sidearms only. So uhh don't get your panties all wadded up just yet

The point of this thread flew over your head I'm afraid. The nerf was expected and ultimately unimportant to my core question "What is logistics supposed to do to be proactive?" Ammo, healing, even mines, are all on the reactive side. At least if they were also good combat suits they would have a role. Again, this change doesn't make them bad, the concern is it is just the beginning to make combat as painful as possible in these suits.

I kind of like the idea of the bonuses that they'll give to logis that will be for equipment. I'm wary of of my Cal logi getting a bonus to just drop uplinks because then it's like oh ok I guess I'm all about drop uplinks now. I didn't choose that AT ALL but no respecs so I guess that's my focus now, even though I had NO PART in it.

More distinction between assault and logi is good but they have to remember that in an FPS killing red dots is more important and game changing than supporting teammates with equipment. So if they make logis equally effective at support as assaults are at combat, then logis are second fiddles, good at a less vital role.

I've only been playing for about a month and I've been very positive in the forums but these guys need to get their **** together. Turning me into a bittervet already.

Your noobness shows if you truly believe logistics are a secondary role.

Find one corporation that doesn't consider logistics (true logis) as an absolutely essential role in a PC battle.

Aside from heavy weapons, every suit in the game can use any weapon or any module as long as you skill into it and have the CPU/PG to fit it all. We already have the freedom to do what we wish with our dropsuits. The problem is that you have people trying to tell you how you should play or cry nerf when they think something is OP without being specific. Remember all those nerf all the logi topics when all this started? My number one question I always asked was how are all logis OP? Half of them couldn't answer because it was all about painting things with a broad yellow brush.