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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:58:00 -
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I'm not saying they shouldn't be slayers. I'm saying they shouldn't be as effective at it as the class desgined to be a slayer, while still retaining the verastility that having 4 equipment slots brings >_> |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:01:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I'll let you in on a little secret: Every damn suit in this game is a slayer because it's a ****ing FPS! Logis just happen to be able to slay and carry more equipment while doing it.
Slay without having any real downsides compared to the actual slayer suit* |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:05:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Cosgar wrote:I'll let you in on a little secret: Every damn suit in this game is a slayer because it's a ****ing FPS! Logis just happen to be able to slay and carry more equipment while doing it.
But CCP is actively trying to change this. Quote:As mentioned above, these skill changes are largely to discourage assault-focused players from using the Logistics suit as their frontline choice. The question is: Is this a good design goal? Why or why not? So what would be the point of being assault if Logi does the same only having more equipment slots... That makes 0 sense. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:09:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:It's not that they shouldn't or are strictly prohibited from killing reds it's the fact that they shouldn't be the best choice for such a role. Otherwise what's the point of even having an Assault suit? I could just compound your question by asking "What is the point of two separate suits in the first place?" I am musing if having one class be "designated backpack" is really a fun design choice. Couldn't all classes simply have 2 or more equipment slots? And 1 reply/2 minutes was a truly awful nerf Because variaty? Look, Logi suits can still fight, but they shouldn't be as effective as the slayer suit. It might not be fun to you being the guy with all the equipment, but some people enjoy being the guy that keeps everyone alive, ammoed up, healthy, and ready to steamroll the enemy. If you don't enjoy that, go assault. If you want equipment and are willing to give up a bit of power then go Logi. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:13:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:WTF do you want logis to do? Follow heavies around all battle with a repair tool out? Be a pack mule for the squad? Try to revive you when we're all surrounded by reds? Jesus, it's a FPS where we all run around with guns, there's no Geneva Convention. If someone shoots at me, I'm going to shoot back and pick up any dead blueberries on the way. Sidearm, no sidearm, less speed, more speed. A suit is just a suit, it's the player that uses the suit that defines it. If my squad is stocked up, nobody is bleeding out, or nobody needs reps, I'm going to bust a cap in someone's ass because what the hell else are you supposed to do in a game where you hold guns in a first person view? I have a feeling you went logi because you know there is no point in being assault...
I am NOT saying you shouldn't be able to engage someone in combat. I'm saying you SHOULD NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE AS THE GUY WITH THE SUIT DESIGNED TO DO JUST THAT! Simple! You give up some of the power to be extremely versatile!
Give me a reason to go assault. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:19:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:It's not that they shouldn't or are strictly prohibited from killing reds it's the fact that they shouldn't be the best choice for such a role. Otherwise what's the point of even having an Assault suit? I could just compound your question by asking "What is the point of two separate suits in the first place?" I am musing if having one class be "designated backpack" is really a fun design choice. Couldn't all classes simply have 2 or more equipment slots? And 1 reply/2 minutes was a truly awful nerf Because variaty? Look, Logi suits can still fight, but they shouldn't be as effective as the slayer suit. It might not be fun to you being the guy with all the equipment, but some people enjoy being the guy that keeps everyone alive, ammoed up, healthy, and ready to steamroll the enemy. If you don't enjoy that, go assault. If you want equipment and are willing to give up a bit of power then go Logi. Yeah, what is wrong with the Assault suit anyway ? I use it all the time and is fine... You can even be an Assault Medic if you want too, just equip an Injector. Then you don't have ammo to do your job. Assaults are the frontline guys, they take point and rain fire on the enemy. Logistics are the backbone, assaults need them to stay in shape, but that doesn't mean they can't help with firepower too. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:21:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:WTF do you want logis to do? Follow heavies around all battle with a repair tool out? Be a pack mule for the squad? Try to revive you when we're all surrounded by reds? Jesus, it's a FPS where we all run around with guns, there's no Geneva Convention. If someone shoots at me, I'm going to shoot back and pick up any dead blueberries on the way. Sidearm, no sidearm, less speed, more speed. A suit is just a suit, it's the player that uses the suit that defines it. If my squad is stocked up, nobody is bleeding out, or nobody needs reps, I'm going to bust a cap in someone's ass because what the hell else are you supposed to do in a game where you hold guns in a first person view? I have a feeling you went logi because you know there is no point in being assault... I am NOT saying you shouldn't be able to engage someone in combat. I'm saying you SHOULD NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE AS THE GUY WITH THE SUIT DESIGNED TO DO JUST THAT!Simple! You give up some of the power to be extremely versatile! Give me a reason to go assault. I went logi because I was bored with assault, and I usually gravitate towards healing/support classes. Oh, and this was back in Chromosome when there was only one logi suit, the exact same one that I'm using now that didn't change much outside of a shield nerf and a hacking bonus... I didn't pay much attention to logi suits in chromosome, I don't believe you had more module slots than assaults, did ya? |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:31:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:WTF do you want logis to do? Follow heavies around all battle with a repair tool out? Be a pack mule for the squad? Try to revive you when we're all surrounded by reds? Jesus, it's a FPS where we all run around with guns, there's no Geneva Convention. If someone shoots at me, I'm going to shoot back and pick up any dead blueberries on the way. Sidearm, no sidearm, less speed, more speed. A suit is just a suit, it's the player that uses the suit that defines it. If my squad is stocked up, nobody is bleeding out, or nobody needs reps, I'm going to bust a cap in someone's ass because what the hell else are you supposed to do in a game where you hold guns in a first person view? I have a feeling you went logi because you know there is no point in being assault... I am NOT saying you shouldn't be able to engage someone in combat. I'm saying you SHOULD NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE AS THE GUY WITH THE SUIT DESIGNED TO DO JUST THAT!Simple! You give up some of the power to be extremely versatile! Give me a reason to go assault. I went logi because I was bored with assault, and I usually gravitate towards healing/support classes. Oh, and this was back in Chromosome when there was only one logi suit, the exact same one that I'm using now that didn't change much outside of a shield nerf and a hacking bonus... I didn't pay much attention to logi suits in chromosome, I don't believe you had more module slots than assaults, did ya? Always did from each suit tier. The only difference between now and then is that they got rid of the Type 2, B-Series, and VK1 which were faster at the cost of equipment slots, nerfed the shields, added a minor speed buff, and put the hacking bonus on a per level basis instead of what suit tier. Well then, I didn't notice it at the time. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:19:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:xAckie wrote:hackerzilla wrote:I think that the freedom to do as you wish with your dropsuit has been slightly robbed... If you want this outcome then there shouldnt be classes. to do what you want there should be a single frame and you skill into different types of slots and fill the frame with the slots you want - mix and match. Am ok with this but then we shoudlnt pretend there are classes in this game Aside from heavy weapons, every suit in the game can use any weapon or any module as long as you skill into it and have the CPU/PG to fit it all. We already have the freedom to do what we wish with our dropsuits. The problem is that you have people trying to tell you how you should play or cry nerf when they think something is OP without being specific. Remember all those nerf all the logi topics when all this started? My number one question I always asked was how are all logis OP? Half of them couldn't answer because it was all about painting things with a broad yellow brush. Well I answered from the start, I guess you didn't see it. They are assaults with more equipment slots, what little downsides they get can be compensated for with the extra module slots, which I think is illogical giving them that.
I understand why you would say that however, some people here are just sheep that hear something is OP and just follow it without even knowing why. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:21:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:So out of the 16 guys on your team you want 8 of them to be logis? If less, it's secondary. Give me your answer please.
EDIT: Well ok there are heavies and scouts too, so 8 logis, 8 assaults is a fallacy, but my point is...don't you want there to be more combat guys on the field than support guys? Yes. That's because the combat role is primary. Guess what that makes support? 1 logi can do the job of 4 assaults in terms of equipment. So yes, you don't need as many. However, if I was a leader of a PC battle I would say "Go logi or go home, no assaults", as there is no point in assaults, logis do it better and allow for more versatility. |
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:25:00 -
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xAckie wrote:Cosgar wrote:xAckie wrote:hackerzilla wrote:I think that the freedom to do as you wish with your dropsuit has been slightly robbed... If you want this outcome then there shouldnt be classes. to do what you want there should be a single frame and you skill into different types of slots and fill the frame with the slots you want - mix and match. Am ok with this but then we shoudlnt pretend there are classes in this game Aside from heavy weapons, every suit in the game can use any weapon or any module as long as you skill into it and have the CPU/PG to fit it all. We already have the freedom to do what we wish with our dropsuits. The problem is that you have people trying to tell you how you should play or cry nerf when they think something is OP without being specific. Remember all those nerf all the logi topics when all this started? My number one question I always asked was how are all logis OP? Half of them couldn't answer because it was all about painting things with a broad yellow brush. ??? the suit decides what you can and cant do - try fitting stuff on a scout. Doing whatever you want, but WITHIN REASON. Why have different classes and roles if they can all become the same thing? If my heavy suit could do the job of the scout, what would be the point of having scouts? If my scout suit could do the job of the heavy, what would be the point of having heavies? Stop whining, you didn't get robbed of anything, you got exactly what you were promised. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:32:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:You'd be hard pressed to find even one pure support logi in PC by request, let alone in high demand.
No such thing as pure support. Got an assault rifle? You can be an assault, even if all you equipment is for support. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:34:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:
So out of the 16 guys on your team you want 8 of them to be logis? If less, it's secondary. Give me your answer please.
EDIT: Well ok there are heavies and scouts too, so 8 logis, 8 assaults is a fallacy, but my point is...don't you want there to be more combat guys on the field than support guys? Yes. That's because the combat role is primary. Guess what that makes support?
Well no **** there's going to be more combat focused roles on the field compared to support. But that does not in ANY way take away from the importance of support roles on the field. Generally your heavies and logistics are designated for point defense while a Hacking logi rolls with the mobile assault squad. If you ever spend time in PC battles and debating the tactics therein you will quickly see their importance. This Heavy SOB speaks the truth. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:47:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:
You'd be hard pressed to find even one pure support logi in PC by request, let alone in high demand.
I'd have to disagree, I have a couple logistics in corp that on multiple occasions have proven so effective in PC battles that we've been offered millions to trade them to other corps within the alliance. They are requested by name when battles come up, simply because they are dedicated SOLELY to support. Yup, same thing in my corp/alliance. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:40:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I'm not saying they shouldn't be slayers. I'm saying they shouldn't be as effective at it as the class desgined to be a slayer, while still retaining the verastility that having 4 equipment slots brings >_> You are a ******* idiot and I'm tired hearing your bullshit. Even after the nerf you want more. **** you. Shut up QQ? Am I hearing QQ? One logi was nerfed to be on par with the other logis. The other logis are not balanced. |
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