lol a penalty for shields?

You're a brave man for suggesting this to CCP.

lol a penalty for shields?

You're a brave man for suggesting this to CCP.

lol a penalty for shields?

You're a brave man for suggesting this to CCP.

Awesome idea. Let's make scouts even more useless

I feel its a fair counter balance to Armor penalties.

Awesome idea. Let's make scouts even more useless

Going by EVE drawback, shield do increase your sig radius so that wouldn't seem very unlikely. Just as plates in EVE adds to your mass.

Awesome idea. Let's make scouts even more useless

Awesome idea. Let's make scouts even more useless

The sig penalty wouldn't be a fair thing if you think about it.
dB is a useless stat.
What shields should do is increase your hit box.
Armor makes you slower and easier to hit that way, shields don't make you slower but sitll make you easier to hit.

And add resistance modules that don't have such penalties, so we could go DFT warrioring. (It is now a verb cuz I say so)

Shields are supposed to give you a larger signature radius, which means you are easier to detect and hit. I imagine because the "field" itself is being "extended", your hitbox should also increase as long as you are within shield HP.

Shields are supposed to give you a larger signature radius, which means you are easier to detect and hit. I imagine because the "field" itself is being "extended", your hitbox should also increase as long as you are within shield HP.

Complex shield extenders should increase your DB detection rate by 10% or more and increase the range you can be detected at. As you are running a more energy emitting suit you should be far easier to pick up from enemy suit scanners and from further away.

Stealth in a mostly action-oriented shooter is about two aspects that BOTH need to be present for it to be meaningful.

1. Remaining undetected.
2. moving fast when you need to move.

If you have to choose between those two things, you're breaking the viability of stealth in the game. The drawback of shields is quite simply that they give you less HP than armour. If Shield Extenders get a Profile penalty, they should also give the same HP as Plates.

The problem here ISN'T shields being OP, it's armour needing a slight buff. A little extra HP (mostly for higher-tier) or an overhaul to armour modules so higher-tier armour isn't giving larger drawbacks.

Complex shield extenders should increase your DB detection rate by 10% or more and increase the range you can be detected at. As you are running a more energy emitting suit you should be far easier to pick up from enemy suit scanners and from further away.

Implementing the above suggestion wouldn't break stealth in this game - it would simply mean people have to think differently about how they do it. Stealth oriented players would basically have to give up any tanking capabilities but they could still 'remain undetected' and be 'fast when you need to move'.

That said, I agree that armour needs tweaking but rather than more HP, less penalty - 10% is far far too much.

Edit - oh, also, yeah, in order for the OP suggestion to actually have any impact at all, the entire passive scanning and LOS identification system needs to be overhauled so profile and precision actually mean something.

Shields are supposed to give you a larger signature radius, which means you are easier to detect and hit. I imagine because the "field" itself is being "extended", your hitbox should also increase as long as you are within shield HP.

Complex shield extenders should increase your DB detection rate by 10% or more and increase the range you can be detected at. As you are running a more energy emitting suit you should be far easier to pick up from enemy suit scanners and from further away.

+1 as well. That's a great idea.

No it's not. You'll have people shooting 4 feet from the actual target, and still be able to hit them. It's a stupid idea, and removes the skill from the game. Why Even aim at the target, when you can just spray and pray, and land every shot because of his increased hit box?


SERIOUSLY.

****.

THINK DAMNIT.

This would even affect shield vehicles, and I don't think the nerfed gunnlogis, and any shield Dropship pilot would like being able to be easier to hit.

No it's not. You'll have people shooting 4 feet from the actual target, and still be able to hit them. It's a stupid idea, and removes the skill from the game. Why Even aim at the target, when you can just spray and pray, and land every shot because of his increased hit box?


SERIOUSLY.

****.

THINK DAMNIT.

This would even affect shield vehicles, and I don't think the nerfed gunnlogis, and any shield Dropship pilot would like being able to be easier to hit.

Complex shield extenders should increase your DB detection rate by 10% or more and increase the range you can be detected at. As you are running a more energy emitting suit you should be far easier to pick up from enemy suit scanners and from further away.

No it's not. You'll have people shooting 4 feet from the actual target, and still be able to hit them. It's a stupid idea, and removes the skill from the game. Why Even aim at the target, when you can just spray and pray, and land every shot because of his increased hit box?


SERIOUSLY.

****.

THINK DAMNIT.

This would even affect shield vehicles, and I don't think the nerfed gunnlogis, and any shield Dropship pilot would like being able to be easier to hit.

CCP loves shields, hates armor. 10 years of EVE is a pretty good representation of that.
They wont do anything about it.

And while they're at it:

Shields:

Add shield repair tool

Nerf unmodified shield recharge significantly to make it more reliant on modules and shield repair tools.

Make shield recharge refill shields at a constant rate instead of in pulses (though you'd still have to wait for the delay)

Add shield booster module (like an armor repairer, except for shields, and repairs in small pulses even under fire)

It sounds like you just want to make shields and armour exactly the same

Whoah... Heavies have naturally high shield HP. Is OP suggesting that Heavies get detected even faster: like across the map type of thing?!

No
we are talking about taking your current base DB and have it be added to like armor moduals slow movement. so shield extenders and the like have a penalty that increases your DB signature.

Could you not change the local close range scanner of suits to be range based? From its max scan power close in, slowly fading out as the range increases?

My thinking here is scouts with lower signatures will be able to sneak up closer than any other suit. AND depending on your suit and modules, it would depend what scan power you have at what range.

Tankers would say otherwise...

It sounds like you just want to make shields and armour exactly the same, which would just make having the 2 options absolutely pointless and would be better just going to an overall HP system. No. We don't need most of your suggestions here.

lol a penalty for shields?

You're a brave man for suggesting this to CCP.

Complex shield extenders should increase your DB detection rate by 10% or more and increase the range you can be detected at. As you are running a more energy emitting suit you should be far easier to pick up from enemy suit scanners and from further away.

If you think scouts are useless you're doing it wrong...

Scouts are nano tanks.. l2strafe

Scouts have the best scanners in the game... L2pickyourfights?? You know how many are in the room faster then anyone else... A heavy doesn't win 3v1 what makes you think a scout could??

Eve is a game of counters... If dust hopes to live in New Eden it needs that as well

I HATE this idea. Maybe this means something to a scout but as a heavy, that penalty is worthless. It's not like a blind man standing on another continent can't see us already. But sacrificing some if the little speed we have left. That means something.

Make armor plates stronger. Plain and simple. If they gave us more hp the penalty would be fine.

More like: give Amarr Heavies a bonus to armor plate HP.

If you just buff plates, it benefits shield suits as much as armor suits; so apply the buff indirectly and make bonuses to armor plate HP a staple of Amarr suits in general. Perhaps make Gallente get bonuses to armor plate speed. And so on and so on...

The impression I have is that they want hybrid tanking to be an option. If they don't want it to, all they need to do is make fitting and tanking work a bit more like EVE. Nobody but a complete newb double tanks in EVE because it costs too much powergrid and too many slots.

You dB level is a pointless stat since everyone has a scan radius of 10 meters. Nobody is trying to sneak within 10 meters of someone's back. It needs to be substantially increased, I mean very substantially increased. Take the average distance that scouts tend to hid behind walls when sneaking into a base, and extend it to that. Now people are actually starting to get detected passively, except scouts with lower dB, and having shields increase your dB would actually be a penalty.

lol a penalty for shields?

You're a brave man for suggesting this to CCP.