Tanks do not need to be balanced 1v1.

If everything was balanced 1v1 (shield vs armor, different weapons etc) then there would be no need for tactics ingame. Point and shoot like everyone else.


Stop the QQ. You guys move way too fast anyway. It's only when you're not paying attention (which you shouldn't be doing) that you get blown up.

The reps are sooooooooo unfair! the best armor rep repairs about 7500 HP total over the course of 15 seconds while the shield anks reps about 2500 HP in 5 seconds. very significant difference, the armor tank is 3 times more effective. Can we make the shield tanks rep at least half as competent? Seriously, being half as effective would be nice, no troll.

Speed will not help you in a tank battle. You cant run away and shoot the enemy tank chasing you at the same time, oul run into stuff and blow yourself. But yeah, buffing missles would do something, then we can win using our races preferred weapon. the same weapon that is supposed to beat armor tanks, and doesn't now....

nooo bad, bad idea. Madrugers have an insaine amount of CPU and PG while both the caldari tanks have a very limited amount, its honestly unfair. This would hurt the caldari tanks more ebcause we are already having promblems stacking our damage mods and heat sinks, wich all cost a crazy amount of CPU. Caldari tanks wont be doing damage at that point because lack of damage mods or heat sinks but the armor tanks will have enough fitting to do whatever they want and will be uneffected. Droping the PG would make both tanks harder to kill and we already cant kill an armor tank. So this change would destroy us even more

Speed will not help you in a tank battle. You cant run away and shoot the enemy tank chasing you at the same time, oul run into stuff and blow yourself. But yeah, buffing missles would do something, then we can win using our races preferred weapon. the same weapon that is supposed to beat armor tanks, and doesn't now....

It has only been bad for them since uprising.

In Chromosome a rail Gunloggi would eat a Madrugar for breakfast because of the broken stacking penalties and the damage mods.

I don't doubt that anyone not in a gunloggi next build is going to suffer for it. That is why I am working on my shield skills instead of saving up for a pilot suit.

I just noticed this, you don't shield tank, do you?

The best Shield Booster is the Heavy Clarity Shield Booster, which gives 314 every five seconds for five pulses...

Actually, I very much enjoy tanking in this build. I enjoy the challenge of fighting off AV that I know can destroy me very quickly if I make a mistake. It can be very difficult, and there are times where everything goes wrong in a match, but generally I am having lots of fun tanking.

I do agree that active resists on shield tanks are completely worthless. Before 1.2, any time I saw a shield tank activate hardeners, I knew they were dead.

As for changes to hardeners, giving shield tankers a 30 active 30 cooldown doesn't seem out of balance to me, as it still allows armor tanks to have the staying power that we think the devs want them to have.

However, does it really make a difference in a tank 1 v 1? Look at the match we had the other day. Would having better resists got you out of there? Sort of a split. The first Loggi you lost would have gotten away to cover if you had better resists, and the first Falchion might have made it back into the deployment. The second one would have been popped anyway, because I was able to close you down enough that you couldn't run away. The next Gunloggi would have gone down anyway because you got between two tanks, and the last gunloggi was going to die because I knew you were coming and had all my modules ready for you.

So out of those 5 tanks, resists would have kept one alive, might have kept a second alive, and would have made that last fight closer.

Now, I have to ask, were you running damage mods on those blaster gunnloggis at the end? If so, maybe running the PG extenders to get some more HP would be a better solution?

That raises the different issue of why have damage mods if no one can run them without getting popped, but I am just trying to figure out if there is some area where there is a viability for shield tanking that we may have missed.

Because as it stands, I am in agreement with you that shield tanks need love, but I don't know if just bumping the resists would be enough.

I'm thinking crazy here, but how much more PG would a shield tank need from base to be be able to run an extender and a booster with one damage mod? That could open up a whole new can of worms, but I can't really think of a good way of levelling the field without doing some drastic stuff.

I just noticed this, you don't shield tank, do you?

The best Shield Booster is the Heavy Clarity Shield Booster, which gives 314 every five seconds for five pulses, so that is 1570 shields total in a time span much longer then five seconds, even counting passives which is roughly an extra hundred shields every four seconds, it is no where near your figure.

Buffing missiles makes sense, as having a turret that is there to counter the biggest threat to a shield tank makes sense.

Having little experience with missiles, is there a specific turret that could be buffed to make it more lethal to tanks without making life to hard on the AR toting masses?

Also, being able to drive without looking is a skill that most tank drivers should really work on. There are times and places on certain maps where being able to reliably fire while retreating is a proper tactic, and critical to your survival.

Although I have lost more than a couple of tanks to using that tactic carelessly. That and the whole turning the barrel while going through a narrow gap causing your tank to have a seizure perpendicular to the ground.

Yeah you wrecked me pretty hard that match, no wounder your enjoying tanking your armor yess i was running 2 damage mods on a scattered neutron blaster. i can only do this because i have a fully maxed out tank, and i ran the numbers to find this fit i have here does the most damage possible for a gunlogi in uprising because you simply can not fit anything better for damage. As far as my ability to tank i have a 33.5% passive resist and a heavy converse rep (2ed best) and 4623 shields. So if you spend 16 mill SP into your caldari tank like i have than you can run a workable damage mod tank but as youve seen its still trash. If i could have more resist i still would have lost i agree but buffing the shield resist would help out, at least would have got away lol. I agree, more work still needs to be done.

Maby increase the Reping ability to be more on par to your armor mods, ithe heavy clarity sheild rep is the best rep for us and it gives us 328 HP per second for 5 seconds. thats a total of 1640 HP. In that fit i was using the heavy converse, the step under that and it pulses 271 for a total of 1355. these reps basically dont make a difference, youl still pop me in a few seconds and a forge will shoot that all off in 2 seconds

were not talking about AV. this is hardly revelant, were discussing balance between armor and shield tanks

Shield HAVs are slower, and have a lower acceleration than Armour HAVs.

I think we all know who should really shutup.

You forget that although weight is eliminated in space, mass is preserved, and inertia and acceleration are derived from mass. Remember the formula f=ma (net force= mass x acceleration, or acceleration = net force/mass)? That applies everywhere.

This means that gallente simply have more powerful engines. Minmatar will be the speedy shield tanker I predict.

we may be able to use PG extenders but we need that to set ourselfs on par with armor tanks. Armor tanks have a atupid amount of PG and CPU, the amount is baffling and totally dwarfs the fitting ability of the shield tanks. We need those extender and you armor tanks do not, wich is a shame becuase that frees up 2 high slots for armor tanks to throw in active mods of litterally whatever they want. mobile CRU, fuell injectors for an even higher speed advantage over the shiled tank, damage controle for even more resist advantage, active heat sink to kill us even harder than what they normally do, sheild mods to prove that armor tanks can shield just as well as caldari.... So you see, caldari tanks are pluaged by PG enhancers cuz wwe actually need them. armor does not

Buffing missiles makes sense, as having a turret that is there to counter the biggest threat to a shield tank makes sense.

Having little experience with missiles, is there a specific turret that could be buffed to make it more lethal to tanks without making life to hard on the AR toting masses?

Also, being able to drive without looking is a skill that most tank drivers should really work on. There are times and places on certain maps where being able to reliably fire while retreating is a proper tactic, and critical to your survival.

Although I have lost more than a couple of tanks to using that tactic carelessly. That and the whole turning the barrel while going through a narrow gap causing your tank to have a seizure perpendicular to the ground.

Buffing missiles makes sense, as having a turret that is there to counter the biggest threat to a shield tank makes sense.

Having little experience with missiles, is there a specific turret that could be buffed to make it more lethal to tanks without making life to hard on the AR toting masses?

Also, being able to drive without looking is a skill that most tank drivers should really work on. There are times and places on certain maps where being able to reliably fire while retreating is a proper tactic, and critical to your survival.

Although I have lost more than a couple of tanks to using that tactic carelessly. That and the whole turning the barrel while going through a narrow gap causing your tank to have a seizure perpendicular to the ground.

I need the beta powergrid expansion unit to run everything I have on my Madrugar. If you're not running one of those on an armor tank, you're severely limiting your fitting options.

I need the beta powergrid expansion unit to run everything I have on my Madrugar. If you're not running one of those on an armor tank, you're severely limiting your fitting options.

A good gunnlogi blaster tank has to have 2 local powergrid upgrades.

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With the natural resistances of a shield tank, making their hardeners on par with armor tanks would be unfair, they should not have a 15 sec cool down and 60 sec duration like the armor tanks do. however they do need to be improved, right now they are garbage. buff the shield hardners to be half as effective as armor's, lasting for 30 seconds and 30 second cooldown. Straight up half as effective, though would be worth using. We neeeed it! we really do!

however, passive resist is supposed to be most effective on shield tanks but again, armor tanks can do it just as well. So make the shield passive resist resist for 5% more or remove the stacking penaltys. Ethire works.

half as effective? the top shield hardeners are 30% resists. the top shield resistance amplifier is 15%. whats the point of shield hardeners if you you make them half as effective lol? the amps will be better as the dont have cool down lmao