armor tanks can increase cpu by 25% we are forced to use mods.

Just make the Shield Modules (Boosters and Hardeners in particular) match Armour modules.

Nerfing Armour tanks will only make them worse Vs Armour Based AV, and they already are.

Don't worry considering how terrible shield tanks have had it for such a long time, when they do a rebalance its going to swing in shields favor, and armor tankers like me who haven't spent diddly on shields are gunna be QQing.

I'm sorry, what?

It has only been bad for them since uprising.

In Chromosome a rail Gunloggi would eat a Madrugar for breakfast because of the broken stacking penalties and the damage mods.

I don't doubt that anyone not in a gunloggi next build is going to suffer for it. That is why I am working on my shield skills instead of saving up for a pilot suit.

Shield tanks and armor tanks were pretty balanced last build. I had my gunlogi stacked with double damage mods and i would destroy everything outside of 100m, but let even a sub-par armor tank with a blaster close that distance, and i didnt stand a chance bc my hardeners and reppers sucked. Caldari tanks are supposed to be long-range glass cannons, according to lore, and should reflect that. Either by giving all caldari tanks passive damage bonuses, or by bringing the damage mods back up where they were in Chromosome. Otherwise, we could just make armor tanks and shield tanks much more similar, but then nobody would armor tank bc of the weakness to explosives.

It has to be caldari kills tanks, gallente kills infantry like it used to be.

Buffing damage is more of an issue to armor and shield tankers, as tank turrets already OHK infantry.

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Are all you tankers talking about tank vs. tank, in a 1v1 situation?

I'd like the point of view of tankers who have (semi-)dedicated tank crews who stick with the tank with repair tools and AV weapons to add their voices to this.

A shield tank's slightly higher speed could close gaps between armour tanks allowing for the crew to pop out, lob AV nades and fire swarms, then hop back in to use the small turrets, before a shield hardener even runs out.

I've also tried using my dropship to keep an armour tank's shields up with a transporter, and it nullifies quite a bit of swarm damage (until they decide to take me out instead of the tank).

I really disagree that tanks should be balanced in pilot v. pilot situations, with no other people around. It's a team game, no? Mercenaries or not, the blues are fighting for the same contract that you are.

-Perspective of a logibro and dropship pilot. I've got an alt that has 3 mill SP into tanking, that's as far as I've gone down that road.

Passive shield tanking needs to become viable on vehicles.

Tanks do not need to be balanced 1v1.

If everything was balanced 1v1 (shield vs armor, different weapons etc) then there would be no need for tactics ingame. Point and shoot like everyone else.


Stop the QQ. You guys move way too fast anyway. It's only when you're not paying attention (which you shouldn't be doing) that you get blown up.

I agree, and it should be done on shield tanks and not armor tanks. Vice versa for active tanking, like it is now

They could really take some stuff from infantry shield tanking and apply it to armor and it would be a major fix. Armor is in a good place, it's the shield tanks that need help. Un-nerfing vehicle PG and fixing the engineering skill bug would help with tank vs infantry as a whole.

Another way to truly fix vehicles is to make mods that only fit to certain vehicles.

Tanks would get there own set of mods, so would dropships and lavs.

Why? So CCP can adjust mods and cpu/pg usage accordingly.

No more fixing a module and trying to balance for one vehicle, therefore breaking it for another.

This is about shield tanks vs armor tanks, were not worried about fixing vehicals as a whole. thanks

Shield tanks are disgustingly underpowered this build, the distance between these two tanks are too much to even consider going sheild tanks. for Exmaple, i have 15.5 million SP into sheild tanks and have literally everything maxed out that matters. With a scattered neutron blaster and 2 damage mods on my gunlogi i can not deal damage to a well fit madruger, between its resistance and armor rep they recover HP faster than i hurt them. For ppl who do not know what im packing, im doing the maximum possible damage on a gunlogi for Uprising. A madruger can rep through this.

Almost the same can be said for a Falshion with proto missles and HAV lv3 vs the same madruger fit. Dispite missles being the weapon that is meant to defeat armor tanks, the well fit madruger wins every single time, a standard tank. Tho they cannot rep through the damage they do not go past half armor.

Additonally, my falshion with a compressed partical cannon, 2 damage mods and an active heat sink can not win a rail shoot out with a standard madruger, they are more manuverable, resist more damage, and dish out more damage. There is litterally nothing i can do to armor tanks at all, and my tank is maxed out entirely.


So, as stated, the promblem is armor tanks are better than sheild tanks in every conceivable way that a tank needs to be. Has more HP, reps longer for more HP, resist more damage, does more damage, has a longer range and is more manuverable/faster. theres well, nothing left for sheild tanks. Their garbage.

We need to buff the shield tank in a way that will still leave both tanks their own unique vehicals and they need to be even.

We can all agree that heavy armor is well, heavy and should slow you down. Shields are weightless and should not weigh anything. shields need to be faster. In eve, gallenete are second fastest and caldari are the slowest.... in space. Were weight and gravity dont matter. Now were on a planet and these things do matter, this only makes sence and helps balance the tanks. So make armor tanks slow again and shield tanks significantly faster.


With the natural resistances of a shield tank, making their hardeners on par with armor tanks would be unfair, they should not have a 15 sec cool down and 60 sec duration like the armor tanks do. however they do need to be improved, right now they are garbage. Say lasts for 30 seconds and 30 second cooldown. Straight up half as effective.


however, passive resist is supposed to be most effective on shield tanks but again, armor tanks can do it just as well. So make the shield passive resist resist for 5% more or remove the stacking penaltys. Ethire works.


The reps are sooooooooo unfair! the best armor rep repairs about 7500 HP total over the course of 15 seconds while the shield anks reps about 2500 HP in 5 seconds. very significant difference, the armor tank is 3 times more effective. Can we make the shield tanks rep at least half as competent? Seriously, being half as effective would be nice, no troll.


Tottal HP seems fair were its at noww. Its reasonable considering one regens and the other doesent. However, shield tanks natural rep is alittle too slow. instead of 23/hps it should be like 35 to make it feel like there are times were you dont have to use your rep. Right now the natural rep just dosent help

Yes, one V one situations. tanks need to be balanced for 1v1 because that also effects times when ppl intervine. For Exmaple:
What if the stronger tank recives help against the unbalanced, weaker tank? The stronger, OP tank wins.
What happens when both tanks have help? the stronger, OP tank wins.
What happens when the weaker, UP tank fights the stronger, OP tank? the OP tank still usally wins unless the UP tank gets a significant amount of help, wich will pull waaay too many ppl to deal with one tank. Kinda ruins everything.
What happens when one tank is OP adn the other is UP? the OP tank wins 100% of the time and no one wants to play shield tanks. like what is happening now.