armor tanking is supposed to be more effective using passive resist mods. except ccp made them crap. they should be higher like in eve.

shield tanking can be done either passive or actively. with shield hardeners being better than shield amps. again though, ccp doesnt follow its own **** lol

Iron Wolf.. Learn to read, that is a Dropsuit thread, my complaint is Vehicles, as usual.

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Heavy clarity ward ST lvl 3

48 cpu
532 pg
393 hp\s
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Yeah, those are not good enough. If the shield transporter can't even keep up with a heavy efficient then spider tanking goes to the armor tankers as well.

That makes almost no sense.

This is where we really need Blam to come and tell us what the dev team was thinking when they made these setups.

Thanks for the info BTW, much appreciated.

I wouldn't say I wrecked you, I just knew that you would be running a shield tank, and brought out my rail. I assumed correctly that you would run a blaster out of the gate, and was able to close you down early enough. The Falchion is ridiculously UP right now, just slightly better than the vayu. So those were not your fault. That second Gunloggi almost had me, if not for my squad having an OB you would have got me I think, and the last one, as said before was just me having me all my modules ready and a good idea of how you were going to try and flank me.

The other thing to consider is that although you have all your SP into shield tanks, I put all mine into armor tanks. When Uprising first dropped I had dabbled a bit in to some shield skills, but when I got my respec I went full armor, maxing all the skills.

The difference in reps is staggering. I don't think they should be equal, but there is no reason why a shield booster can not even top you up half way while my efficient heavy rep can repair to full a 180 poly plate as long as I am not too deep into armor burn.

So I think we as tankers can all agree the shield tanks need a buff to their hardeners to make active resists even an option for shield tankers. At the very lest they need to last half as long as the armor hardeners, with an equal cooldown.

The next question is how much should the booster actual repair, because right now, the passive regen is not enough even with reps for a shield tank to even hope to survive from a madrugar with an active heat sink(which is every rail tank).

Right now shield tanks have worse speed, worse reps, worse hardeners, lower eHP, and the only plus the have is the resistances to AV.

So other than saying shield tanks should fight other tanks (which is stupid), what is the plan from CCP for shield tanks?

Actually, how are the shield transporters? Is there some hidden gem in there that would make a pair or triumvirate of Gunloggis viable? haven't really looked at them and not near my PS3 right now so I can't look it up.

Heyo whats this, not another bloody shield v. armour thread? jesus. Ok look, shields are slighty UP but not as badly as you all seem to think, hardeners are more effective (top gives 30% compared to armor 25%) you can stack damage mods, less AV is hurting to you and heres the kicker, theres passive regen, not something you find on armor. I have specced into both and honestly unless you attempt to use a shield tank as an armor tank, which will blow you the **** up, generally you're fine

Heyo whats this, not another bloody shield v. armour thread? jesus. Ok look, shields are slighty UP but not as badly as you all seem to think, hardeners are more effective (top gives 30% compared to armor 25%) you can stack damage mods, less AV is hurting to you and heres the kicker, theres passive regen, not something you find on armor. I have specced into both and honestly unless you attempt to use a shield tank as an armor tank, which will blow you the **** up, generally you're fine

The best part is the reward from the Mordus event coming up. Complete ALL the challenges and win...100 SHIELD TANKS!

>_<

A prize no one could sell...if those features even existed yet.

I love my Shield Tank, I love fighting with it constantly and I love the tank fights I get, it was great when everyone else was using Shield Tanks, I felt I was needed in a Corp Battle to compete.

The last 10-15 corp battles, I've been decimated by Armor Tanks, and it's not because I need to "lern2tank" or anything idiotic, it's simply because Armor Tanking is a **** load better than Shield Tanking, it's not even funny anymore CCP, don't give me "Wait a year because we'll have features that make each one more viable in different situations", No. You released the game from BETA, you can't tell me that this half ass balance is because features aren't in, they need to be balanced.

It's disappointing being a tanker, being a corp battle as an Anti Tank vehicle, only to say "Sorry guys, it's an armor tank, I can't do anything" and then have to back off and bring out a Forge and chase it around the map. If the Armor Tanker matches me in Skill, he will win, if he's "decent" it'll be 50/50 and if he's ****, theres still a possibility he'll win.

CCP, you have all these teams, maybe you need to get MORE teams to balance stuff, or you know, the Vehicle team can actually tell us what they're planning on doing about the issues, CCP Blam! give us a response, seriously.

"BALANCE" is FIELDING THE COUNTER of the Gallente Armor Tank!!!! EXPLOSIVES and SQUADMATES WITH EXPLOSIVES.

If he is a GALLENTE BLASTER, Bring your Caldari with MISSILES and some RESISTANCE. At range v. Rail, take cover and bring out HUGE SHIELD tank and CALL in NEW one with fresh shields every time for constant health.

CCP can't and SHOULDN'T patch it because people are lazy or don't understand ROCK-PAPER-SCISSORS.

Blam! were looking for you in this thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1042076#post1042076

Heyo whats this, not another bloody shield v. armour thread? jesus. Ok look, shields are slighty UP but not as badly as you all seem to think, hardeners are more effective (top gives 30% compared to armor 25%) you can stack damage mods, less AV is hurting to you and heres the kicker, theres passive regen, not something you find on armor. I have specced into both and honestly unless you attempt to use a shield tank as an armor tank, which will blow you the **** up, generally you're fine

Keep in mind AV can deal a lot of damage to both sides, it's just Swarms are more commonly used and Plasma Cannons need a buff. Forges deal the same damage to each of us. Your suggestion which is more like an exploit, constant recalling of a vehicle, doesn't seem like "fun" gameplay. What you're saying is "Exploit the recall function so you can keep getting fresh tanks", Armor Tanks can do this too.

On the Missiles, I just facepalm, I've been practicing with them for a while, I run prototype missiles on my Tank, and you know what? I lose no matter what. Armor Tank with a Railgun and massive tank? Oh look your dead. Armor Tank with a blaster and massive Tank? Oh look, you're dead. Please keep in mind, I've been in **** tons of CBs since PC was released, I've fought with very good tankers and I'm telling you your tactics don't work.

On your Rock-Paper-Scissor comment. My Railgun Gunnlogi vs a Railgun Madrugar, I will lose every time. There isn't many times I lose a railgun fight, anybody in a Shield Tank dies to me, an Armor Tank is more suited at long range combat, it can heal much more hp than I can and it has more eHP, Rock seems to beat Scissors and Paper at the minute.

[quote=lDocHollidayl]I have a tanking alt.
The armor tank get smashed by infantry. I had 3 swarm volleys give a damage tally of over 12000.
AV nades murder.
I will agree tank wars are for armor...but a shield tank laughs at swarms.
I believe shield tanks have their place.
Railguns pound armor tanks...you just can not duel.

Hardeners for shields last 10 seconds, compared to the 60 seconds they have. Cooldowns, Shields = 30 Seconds and Armor = 15 Seconds, so that's Hardeners. Stack Damage Mods/ Are you playing with all standard gear and missiles? You cannot run a blaster without PG Modules. Passive Regen is ridiculous weak, My current base regen is 25.63, then I had 3 Ward Regens, making it 39.38, it's really nothing.



Shields get smashed just as quickly due to our inability to rep as efficiently as Armor and our eHP is also less. Shield Tanks laugh at Standard and Advanced, Prototype Swarms make me put my tank away, every time.

Your Railgun comment? Wrong, Ask Mavado or Charlotte O'dell, two people I always seem to run into in CBs, their Armor Railguns will beat me every time, because they can get back into the fight quickly and can deal as much damage as me easily

An ADV, or PRO Missile Turret WILL beat the **** out of an armor tanker at optimum range. THis is coming from an experienced Gallente Tank operator who knows how to build them well.

I love my Shield Tank, I love fighting with it constantly and I love the tank fights I get, it was great when everyone else was using Shield Tanks, I felt I was needed in a Corp Battle to compete.

The last 10-15 corp battles, I've been decimated by Armor Tanks, and it's not because I need to "lern2tank" or anything idiotic, it's simply because Armor Tanking is a **** load better than Shield Tanking, it's not even funny anymore CCP, don't give me "Wait a year because we'll have features that make each one more viable in different situations", No. You released the game from BETA, you can't tell me that this half ass balance is because features aren't in, they need to be balanced.

It's disappointing being a tanker, being a corp battle as an Anti Tank vehicle, only to say "Sorry guys, it's an armor tank, I can't do anything" and then have to back off and bring out a Forge and chase it around the map. If the Armor Tanker matches me in Skill, he will win, if he's "decent" it'll be 50/50 and if he's ****, theres still a possibility he'll win.

CCP, you have all these teams, maybe you need to get MORE teams to balance stuff, or you know, the Vehicle team can actually tell us what they're planning on doing about the issues, CCP Blam! give us a response, seriously.

Shield tanks have a passive+20% reduction to Anything explosion. QQ your fine. Only thing I think shield tanks needs is longer hardeners. Shield tanks are not meant to have blasters. Caldari is missile's and shields. Stick to that role. I say that because its Caldari HAV if you didn't know

Shield tanks have a passive+20% reduction to Anything explosion. QQ your fine. Only thing I think shield tanks needs is longer hardeners. Shield tanks are not meant to have blasters. Caldari is missile's and shields. Stick to that role. I say that because its Caldari HAV if you didn't know

Stop Posting, seriously, it's quite obvious that the majority of players posting in this thread don't use tanks and if they do, they're atrocious at it.

Missiles do not work, Armor Tanks have better reps and longer hardeners, and they have more eHP.

Then. Field. Something. ELSE.

LEARN ARMOR TANK COUNTER.
SKILL INTO IT.