Production Facility: 100 clones per day (100*150k = 15mil per day)
Clone pack: 100 clones (costs 30mil, 15mil when biomassed)

Am I right in thinking that a corporation could lock a production facility district with a clone pack at no cost if they use a alt corporation to launch the attack?

Is there any limit on number of "5 minute" re-attacks in a row? Max 4 battles if there are 400 clones in the district and attacker manages to keep it's clone count above 100?

Is there any limit on number of "1 hour" re-attacks in a row?

Do the "5 minut" re-attack implies automatic deployment? Or it simply automatically generates corporation contract for PC battle available for 5 minutes? Is there any penalty for not showing up beside wasting an opportunity to seize the district?

Does the district owner has the ability to change RT immediately after the battle?

With those new numbers you can actually make money by self-locking your districts. But it will be boring to do.

Here's how it goes.

Status : District A mother corp. 300/300clones.
Attack by alt corp : 30 Million.
Status : District A locked
Day 1 : RT, no fights. 80 clones produced || Auto-sell : 12M
Day 2 : RT, 80 clones produced || Auto-sell : 12M
Day 2, Fight happens during the RT : Alt corps fields at least one player with BPO crap stuff and suicides all the genopack clones. Mother corp fields one player as well. Fight reward : 15M

End of cycle : ISK result = 12+12+15-30 = 9 Million. Add another 6 million if the district is a production facility.

Start again.

So yeah you can lock your districts and make them earn you 15 millions every 2 day without risk if you have a production facility. I dont know how i missed the part about how suiciding the clones in the pack could turn the balance.

The simplest solution would be to raise price of clone packs to 40 millions. Then, it would only be 5 Millions for a prod facility and a loss for any other district type. But even then, if you can lock your district for even a very little ISK loss, then people will do it.

After all, a suicide party with friends every 2 days sounds quite fun

With those new numbers you can actually make money by self-locking your districts. But it will be boring to do.

That you can make a small profit from this isn't the problem here the way I see it.

The problem is rather that you can lock as many of your own districts as you will without any significant ISK loss (in this case, it's even a profit doing this). This means that if you for example hold 50 districts, but you only have the manpower to defend 10 of them you can then lock the other 40 with an alt corp.

That's the problem with this in my opinion.

No only the first attack steals the clones, you basically take the next days worth of production cycle and prevent it from generating anymore. Attacking it again straight away does not produce anymore clones.

@self-locking district idea, according to CCP Nullabor's post, there is no clone production in 2 cycles following the last battle...

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Dont know if this has been brought up here.

With those new numbers you can actually make money by self-locking your districts. But it will be boring to do.

Here's how it goes.

Status : District A mother corp. 300/300clones.
Attack by alt corp : 30 Million.
Status : District A locked
Day 1 : RT, no fights. 80 clones produced || Auto-sell : 12M
Day 2 : RT, 80 clones produced || Auto-sell : 12M
Day 2, Fight happens during the RT : Alt corps fields at least one player with BPO crap stuff and suicides all the genopack clones. Mother corp fields one player as well. Fight reward : 15M

End of cycle : ISK result = 12+12+15-30 = 9 Million. Add another 6 million if the district is a production facility.

Start again.

(easy solution/stopgap is to reduce the isk reward for killed clones down to 50% - so 75,000 isk)

No.

If anything it's the passive income that should be lowered. Do not ever lower the rewards for winning.

I think you should make clone packs for corps already in PC cost 80mil still and Corps not in PC 10-20 mil. You may worry about people abusing that system by making corps outside of PC just to hit a planet, but perhaps create a timer of a week for corps to enter PC.

Like you said, the barrier for large alliances to pay the 80 mil is not isk. So make them pay to have the "attack anywhere" advantage. I don't see many people utilizing their own districts for initial attacks.

Also attrition distance needs to be lessened a little bit. Like to echo the other guy that said there is no point to the chokes on the map if you can hit within 4 jumps at 100%. Example, those in egbinger can hit audesder at no penalty. So the fortification of your front lines is pointless.

I feel you need to have high attrition to start and higher percentages as you move out. So 80% once you hit outside current system then go 70%, 2nd jump, 65%, 3rd jump and 65%, 65% 65% 60% 60% etc. Allow people to still hit really far out, but at a reasonable clone cost, but still allow the ability to fortify your front lines.

Here's my proposed solution:

Clones produced by a district whilst it is under attack cannot be sold to Genolution, and so once the clone count is up the district max of 300 or 450 then they are just 'lost'.

Outcome:
You can still shield districts from attack for strategic reasons (in order to keep them or to allow them to become reinforced) but you can never do it for economic reasons since it will always cost you isk.

Example 1
Status : District 1a Corp A . 300/300 clones.
Attack by Corp B : District 1a locked
Day 1 : RT, no fights. 80 clones produced || Cannot be sold as under attack. 0 mil income. 80 clones lost.
Day 2 : RT, 80 clones produced || Cannot be sold as under attack. 0 mil income. 80 clones lost.

Example 2
Status : District 1a Corp A . 150/300 clones.
Attack by Corp B : District 1a locked
Day 1 : RT, no fights. 80 clones produced || 230/300 clones
Day 2 : RT, 80 clones produced || 300/300 clones. Excess of 10 clones cannot be sold as under attack. 0 mil income. 10 clones lost.

Yes we are aware of the potential for corporations to lock a district and still make money. We will have an update for you guys as soon as possible for now please keep discussion of the Planetary Conquest update to this thread.

Putting in a 4-12 re-attack hour time after losing at attack on the first battle could help this a bit.. just an idea.

It allows a window for other corporations to attack before they can lock their districts back down.

Also, just need to make it less profitable than actually holding the district. Won't offer solutions on that but if its more profitable to leave it unlocked and there's a timer anyways... not many people will bother with it.

Just wanna throw this idea in the ring: zero clone attrition for sending clones to a district that you own.

Just wanna throw this idea in the ring: zero clone attrition for sending clones to a district that you own.

Hmmm, i'm very much not liking lost clones. In general, nature doesnt like things disappearing.
It feels like a massive double penalty for the defender.

I'm developing an idea whereby each district has 2 pools of clones: some for defence (max determined by the SI) and a 2nd pool that can be used for attacking only. Only the defence clone pool is used for defending. Combine this with being unable to sell intact clones to Genolution (they will only buy damaged clones recovered from battles) and then you end up situation where merely owning districts does not generate income: you must fight you enemies in order to earn isk. This is my my proto-concept. I'll post something in the ideas section once I've worked out how to communicate it better.

Now in the proper thread...

Hey guys! A quick update on the dev blog:

We are aware that there may possibly be a way to lock a district indefinitely. We have discussed this with the CPM and internally. For now we are going forward with tomorrows release of all the information included in this dev blog. We have monitoring in place to see how things go over. We are also working on plans that we can implement early or mid next week depending how this weekend goes.

Thank you everyone who has been providing feedback here, on IRC, twitter, and just anywhere else.

That is all for now. Carry on. :)

We would like to remove them and would also like to make getting an orbital strike like how it was during the tournament at Fanfest. EVE pilots do something to get it.