Its a good theory, and I bet its true in some games.. but,.

/cough,

But this is Dust, the fine line between weapon OP/ Balance is,

is the core flaylock to easy to use ?

Like I dont care what anyone says, the scrambler pistol is HARD to use, It has burst potential second to SG and it would never be called op.

Assault rifles are easy to use
Knives are easy to use once you get in range
SMGs are easy to use
HMGs are easy to use
Shotguns are easy to use once you get in range.

Flaylocks actually take a bit more skill than some other weapons- the rocket moves slowly on a slight arc, so you have to compensate for movement and range. The sight itself also obscures your aim if you're trying to fire on an arc, so it's not really an option.

As for the Core, my scout is one shot dead, my Gal armor tanked is one shot dead, my Min As- is one shot dead.

Its a good theory, and I bet its true in some games.. but,.

/cough,

But this is Dust, the fine line between weapon OP/ Balance is,

is the core flaylock to easy to use ?

Like I dont care what anyone says, the scrambler pistol is HARD to use, It has burst potential second to SG and it would never be called op.

Shotgun in a SCOUT... (since we are talking in Proto level this suit is nuts)

At Proto level, its total eHP is about what most Caldari have for just their shield. My every day Scout has 180/80. Hmmm...260. With that Core Flaylock, insta kill.

As for your (Shotguns are easy), try it as a stealth class. Tell me how easy it is once someone sees you. you got 2 seconds then (Press CTRL to respawn)

20-30m - LoL AR has no chance to kill you in this range with a flaylock (unless the tager is sitting above you on a ledge with cover and only a headshot can make contact)

0-20M- They will be dead beforce 10 rounds leave their weapon. Every weapon gets dominated by the flaylock at this range... including shotguns and nova knives.

Bob's story makes a good point. Including the clip, flaylocks have 23 rounds and a quick reload time. What if the ammo capacity was cut down to 9~12? That would cut down on people making them spam shots all over the place, especially since it eats up nanohives as bad as the MD and grenades.

I think it actually has just as much (potential) shots and the MD. Maybe if, like you said, cut the ammo count, make it devour nanohives, we just might see the weapon removed from SPAM.

On a side note, most games do have that "n00b" weapon that gets them into the feel of the game. Gives them a base play. But slowly lets them know, gotta find a niche play because these kid tactics are wearing thing. Something to spoon feed the nublets with.

Something to give nublets confidence. Make them feel good. If this was that "go to " weapon, there would have to be a decent counter, or at least a way to lessen it's OHK status from it.

In all honestly, I'm not the guy with the authority to say "what what" here, all I can say is that the Core verity has removed me from the face of the planet enough times to get me cusin and wishing foul things on the user.

0-20M- They will be dead beforce 10 rounds leave their weapon. Every weapon gets dominated by the flaylock at this range... including shotguns and nova knives.

There already is a n00b tube in Dust, it just happens to be on 4 wheels.

Assault rifles are easy to use
Knives are easy to use once you get in range
SMGs are easy to use
HMGs are easy to use
Shotguns are easy to use once you get in range.

Flaylocks actually take a bit more skill than some other weapons- the rocket moves slowly on a slight arc, so you have to compensate for movement and range. The sight itself also obscures your aim if you're trying to fire on an arc, so it's not really an option.

TL;DR: flaylocks aren't all that powerful- they just scare the **** out of you because they go through their clip so quickly.

Just for the record, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIJkDmzRK_A

Count how long it takes him to take down opponents with SMGs...it's really not any longer than with flaylocks.

As for the range comparison, yes, at short range many sidearms are better than light weapons...it's one of the reasons many of us focus on them rather than longer range weapons (especially in CQC). My SP slaughters SR users at QCQ....and an SMG user will beat an AR user too.

You can dual wield any sidearm you want (well, knives are kinda stupid to dual wield), in all cases you trade off range for not having to reload as quicly. Dual SMGs are godly too at closer ranges, just like the flaylock. As soon as you're in the open though, you lose unless the opponent is a bad player.

At short range you'll lose to a snort range light weapon user like the shotgun assuming both players have the same level of skill and hp.

Slightly mistaken. I think what you are saying is that people are misidentifying the flaylock's burst damage as being over powered.
What I see, is that the flaylocks burst damage actually IS overpowered.

This video means nothing.

He's killing stationary targets in MLT/STD gear in chromosome. Completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

We're talking kill proto suits in PC within 1-2 seconds at 0-20m with rockets that require no aim whatsoever.

You couldn't do that with an SMG, not consistently.

The Op forgets that the flaylock can be duel weilded because of it's side arm status and has a 4 round clip with minmitar assault bonuses... I have played the flaylock for 3 days now on an alt and every game I have a 60m + kill, and I never dip below 12 kills a game. Every suit except for heavies and shield tanked proto calidari and minimitar suits die in 2 shots withe caladari and minmitar medium suits taking 3 shots and heavies 4. The slash damage allows me to supress the enemy as I move into "easy kill" range.

Compared against the AR

65+m the shot self detinates so it worthless at this range, however AR's are only able to tickle you anyways

50-65m - AR has a slight advantage if they are positioned above you or have cover, however if in open ground it even because the distance requires them to bring up the rail which means they can't dodgn't your shots well. If you are position above them this is an easy kill for the flaylock

30-50m - same as above hoever the AR is slightly better because they don't have to bring up the rail to aim. if flat open ground AR prob has advantage. If ar is on a cliff above u he wins, if flaylock is above its an easy kill.

20-30m - LoL AR has no chance to kill you in this range with a flaylock (unless the tager is sitting above you on a ledge with cover and only a headshot can make contact)

0-20M- They will be dead beforce 10 rounds leave their weapon. Every weapon gets dominated by the flaylock at this range... including shotguns and nova knives.

Lastly against the flaylock your team CANNOT move together as a squad. This weapon has a 2.5 meter splash and 2v1 any kind of hallway style are will be death. 2 flaylocks moving together don't even need to fire a second shot most of the time.

Can we all agree that regular Flaylocks are kinda on track while the Core gives us nightmares? Oh and dont for get the insta pop nades.

( am I seeing a pattern? Things with "Core" in the name get under my skin???)

Can we all agree that regular Flaylocks are kinda on track while the Core gives us nightmares? Oh and dont for get the insta pop nades.

( am I seeing a pattern? Things with "Core" in the name get under my skin???)

Can we all agree that regular Flaylocks are kinda on track while the Core gives us nightmares? Oh and dont for get the insta pop nades.

( am I seeing a pattern? Things with "Core" in the name get under my skin???)

Without its splash damage, the weapon will become totally pointless other than at very close range against stuff that doesn't move.

You're probably right. I use a core focused repair tool, and people run from it all the time like the plague even, when they're down to a sliver of armor.