Simple solutions are usually better.
Either the flaylock pistol is balanced and we are all suffering from some sort of mass delusion, perhaps being manipulated by some unseen force...
OR the gun is both too powerful and costs it's users too little PG.
Crowds can be wrong, but they are often correct. I'd run the math down on you right now, but CCP still hasn't given me a rate of fire to work with. I can say with great certainty that it's burst damage is eye popping/jaw dropping though.

Simple solutions are usually better.
Either the flaylock pistol is balanced and we are all suffering from some sort of mass delusion, perhaps being manipulated by some unseen force...
OR the gun is both too powerful and costs it's users too little PG.
Crowds can be wrong, but they are often correct. I'd run the math down on you right now, but CCP still hasn't given me a rate of fire to work with. I can say with great certainty that it's burst damage is eye popping/jaw dropping though.

Can we all agree that regular Flaylocks are kinda on track while the Core gives us nightmares? Oh and dont for get the insta pop nades.

( am I seeing a pattern? Things with "Core" in the name get under my skin???)

Core is just a name prototype minmatar stuff uses. Just like ishukone for caldari, duvolle for gallente, and carthum for amarr

This is BS, the only flaylock iv used is the 15 AUR one to try them out, and yes I had to hit people with it, I even OHK a few scouts with headshots,

But I had to work for it, its not day dream easy,..

But I never used a corelock so i cant by my rules say its OP. I will say its pretty dam strong in CQC so i hope its not a holiday weapon for ratio padding..

I heard that once or twice. Carthum and Visium ( SP), Or Boundless being Min.

So question is..... EVERY ONE is shield. Minmatar makes weapons that hurt armor. They are in bed with Gallante. Which....are armor. Do I see a future back stab-ulation?

Btw, I never hear in game stuff like "watch out, there's a flaylock above B"- people only warn about things such as knives, REs, MDs, snipers, and etc.

Minmatar fight amarr, which are armor tanks.

The one point I agree with is that fitting stats of the flaylock don't seem totally in line with other sidearms. I disagree with everything else you said for reasons already mentioned.

You can't "balance" a gun based on the number of whine posts on a forum!

I thought they kinda did both. Could armor or shield tank. Kinda stuck in the middle.

Que 80's music

I don't know what game you are playing but i hear "fn Flaylock" in just about every match. Usually 3 to 5 users. All speed tanked.

Mostly I hear screaming over LLAVs. Mostly.

Once in a blue moon I hear screams of "TANK!!!1111" but....usually dead. So much scrap metal.....

What chat are you in? When I'm on team chat, nobody ever says anything. On team chat, I hear coughing, eating, bitching about nonspecific stuff, and background noise, but nothing useful. I'm talking about when I squad up.

I don't know what game you are playing but i hear "fn Flaylock" in just about every match. Usually 3 to 5 users. All speed tanked.

Mostly I hear screaming over LLAVs. Mostly.

Once in a blue moon I hear screams of "TANK!!!1111" but....usually dead. So much scrap metal.....

I'm not saying that we should balance the gun on the number of the whine posts on the forum... I am saying that the whine posts have substance and reason and that a good number of the game's best players either agree with the whine post or employ the core flaylock.
SI and Outer Heaven both use them in abundance (Probably for no reason at all, I bet they just like the name). And I'm not trying to say that they are better than you and that their fitting choices are always correct, but I AM DETECTING A PATTERN.

I'm not saying that we should balance the gun on the number of the whine posts on the forum... I am saying that the whine posts have substance and reason and that a good number of the game's best players either agree with the whine post or employ the core flaylock.
SI and Outer Heaven both use them in abundance (Probably for no reason at all, I bet they just like the name). And I'm not trying to say that they are better than you and that their fitting choices are always correct, but I AM DETECTING A PATTERN.

Ok. i guess start the ask how and what kills us. What are we using (suit, mods, gun) vs this Flaylock user.

Well, I made my post clear, A all ADV scout With 180 shields to 80 armor. Shotty, CRW charge scram. Sometimes a basic MD when I dont want to fight. Just make the target leave me alone.

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They really don't have substance and reason...mostly because they're whining about a proto gun killing non-proto suits.
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They really don't have substance and reason...mostly because they're whining about a proto gun killing non-proto suits. It's a good gun in the right hands, especially against non-proto users...but so are the other proto sidearms.

Of course burst damage in good squads works really well...it's the same reason you sniper BS gangs in EVE or some gank squad. But just like in EVE, there are counters and drawbacks. In EVE you often give up tank if you gank fit your ship for burst damage. In Dust, you sacrifice range and the number of shots you can fire before reloading. In both cases, you can use that knowledge as a counter.

If you get hit with a flaylock while playing a scout you're bad at manoeuvering or simply didn't watch where you were going...aka ran into the flaylocker on his terms. You are faster than any other suit, if you can't outmanoeuver a gun with 3 shots, you need to learn to manoeuvre better. Also, ANYTHING that hits your tiny 260hp tank will kill you super quick. An SMG needs to even aim less than any of the other sidearms. A proto SMG would kill you sooooooo quickly too ;)

If it help quantitate my complaint I hav 19 million SP

If you get hit with a flaylock while playing a scout you're bad at manoeuvering or simply didn't watch where you were going...aka ran into the flaylocker on his terms. You are faster than any other suit, if you can't outmanoeuver a gun with 3 shots, you need to learn to manoeuvre better. Also, ANYTHING that hits your tiny 260hp tank will kill you super quick. An SMG needs to even aim less than any of the other sidearms. A proto SMG would kill you sooooooo quickly too ;)

If you get hit with a flaylock while playing a scout you're bad at manoeuvering or simply didn't watch where you were going...aka ran into the flaylocker on his terms. You are faster than any other suit, if you can't outmanoeuver a gun with 3 shots, you need to learn to manoeuvre better. Also, ANYTHING that hits your tiny 260hp tank will kill you super quick. An SMG needs to even aim less than any of the other sidearms. A proto SMG would kill you sooooooo quickly too ;)

Did he actually just suggest that it's easier to kill a scout with an SMG than a Flaylock? .....all you need is the advanced one, lead your shot a little, and never aim above their feet. If they jump, just watch their trajectory. as they come towards the ground, shoot right around where they'll land. Collect 50 or 60 WP.

You basically can't ADS the smg against that scout the whole time, and now that we have hoverboards that just makes it all the more difficult. The flaylock? Why would you bother? Nevermind the Corelock.

I just. I can't. Why did.

It's just that.

THIS!!

If people compared actual DPS figures instead of single shot figures, they'd realise it isn't really OP.

DPS greatly favors the Flaylock, it's only restricted by the small clip so it's damage per clip may be lower.

I don't feel it is just the damage it's the disproportionate fall off from splash damage. Basically it is such a minute difference that people do not aim for a direct hit they only aim for the feet thereby defeating skill. It has a high rate of fire too so you just blow your load right at a guys feet causing insane damage.

A flaylock positioned above Alpha on the map with the rings makes capturing that point impossible. That 2 PG weapon MUST be dealt with personally. No amount of HP or hacking mods or zerging will let you capture that point without going up there and killing that guy first... AND he can do it from CONSIDERABLE range. Having a flaylock in a positon above you is almost certain death.

If you think dancing around like marry popins is gonna save you then you must be a Jedi or something..

THIS!!
If people compared actual DPS figures instead of single shot figures, they'd realise it isn't really OP.

Scrambler pistol works just fine if you can aim. And just like the flaylock, even if your aim is OK, the majority of shots don't result in decent hits at range.

Agreed, but in return I have almost 4 times the amount of shots with my SP compared to the flaylock....so I have enough shots to try and get my headshot.